UFC 159: Jones vs. Sonnen

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Surprised you didnt mention this one!

I didn't mention any "one" so how could that be "one" amongst none?

Keep talking, dumb kid.

MD · 04-23-13, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Surprised you didnt mention this one!

Yeah, to be honest, that one took the cake. That was a near-unwinnable fight for Elkins. Mendes could easily have been more than 95% in that fight. I don't even see how Elkins wins.

Originally posted by gabe

OK, you are saying V was right by assuming I read the entire story and consciously decided to leave that part out?

I'm saying he was not right. "Right" would have been to A) check the source I provided and B) tell me that there's more to the story rather than assume I know it and am consciously hiding just to get controversy going.

What I'm saying is that you handled the situation badly.

MD · 04-23-13, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Dude, it's as clear as day that V is wrong in that scenario. The fact that you don't see it that way reflects a certain level of mancrush you've got on him, and a certain level of resentment you've got towards me.

I've defended you in the past for no personal gain. What do I have to gain in telling people you're a good handicapper? Nothing.

I like V a lot, one of my favourite SBR members. Doesn't mean I'm on his side. It's an argument in a UFC thread, let's be real here Gabe. No one is going to care about this in two hours.

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 07:59 AM

If I really capped Mendes at -200, I would have at least made a small play on Elkins. Hard to cap someone at -200 when they have a clear advantage in every single area.

You always take everything I say seriously and often respond by laughing and correcting me, leaving me shaking my head at you being too dumb to realize I'm not serious

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 08:01 AM

REgardless of where you get it from, the most moronic thing was actually thinking that Benson Henderson would come out and be like "oh, Dana said I had to finish the fight because there wasnt enough time..." in the first place!

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by gabe

If I really capped Mendes at -200, I would have at least made a small play on Elkins. Hard to cap someone at -200 when they have a clear advantage in every single area.

You always take everything I say seriously and often respond by laughing and correcting me, leaving me shaking my head at you being too dumb to realize I'm not serious

ah of course!

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Dude, it's as clear as day that V is wrong in that scenario. The fact that you don't see it that way reflects a certain level of mancrush you've got on him, and a certain level of resentment you've got towards me.

ha Im sure I've disagreed with MD about things before, neither of us have a mancrush on the other. Plus he could be a girl for all I know

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by MD

Yeah, to be honest, that one took the cake. That was a near-unwinnable fight for Elkins. Mendes could easily have been more than 95% in that fight. I don't even see how Elkins wins.

What I'm saying is that you handled the situation badly.

Handled the situation badly? The idiot accused me of consciously hiding important bits of an article to get controvery going and I called him a fool for it, and you're saying I handled it badly? How about you tell him he handled it badly by making the accusation in the first place without even checking the source I provided? WTF? Seriously, man. A completely unbiased person would see it from my POV.

A) He made the accusation
B) I "handled the situation" badly by calling him (the guy accusing me of trolling) a fool.

I don't get it.

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

REgardless of where you get it from, the most moronic thing was actually thinking that Benson Henderson would come out and be like "oh, Dana said I had to finish the fight because there wasnt enough time..." in the first place!

I didn't THINK it, you stupid little child. I read it in an article, shared it, then said "Is Bendo really stupid enough to say that in an interview?"

If you had above average intelligence, you would have said "No Gabe, the source you posted didn't provide the whole story. Check out this link..."

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by gabe

If I really capped Mendes at -200, I would have at least made a small play on Elkins. Hard to cap someone at -200 when they have a clear advantage in every single area.

You always take everything I say seriously and often respond by laughing and correcting me, leaving me shaking my head at you being too dumb to realize I'm not serious

So you didnt bet on Elkins then?

MD · 04-23-13, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Handled the situation badly? The idiot accused me of consciously hiding important bits of an article to get controvery going and I called him a fool for it, and you're saying I handled it badly? How about you tell him he handled it badly by making the accusation in the first place without even checking the source I provided? WTF? Seriously, man. A completely unbiased person would see it from my POV.

A) He made the accusation
B) I "handled the situation" badly by calling him (the guy accusing me of trolling) a fool.

I don't get it.

Lol...

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 08:11 AM

haha

MD, I think you should say you agree with him now so we can put an end to this

**Sacrelicious** · 04-23-13, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by gabe

How many times have you said you respect my opinion and value my insight?

haha-- IMO you're one of the best guys here. that said, i've been doing better than you. i'm often on great plays with great odds that most of you aren't on. your best plays are on elite fighters like pat curran (twice)- not too impressive, but still, one of the best here. your "competition" (if you can call it that) is the likes of v, who is no competition at all.

Fact of the matter is you're a two faced, hypocritical scumbag. You've kissed my ass before and you're talkin sh!t now.

"Does anyone take InternetForumMember seriously?" -Another Internet Forum Member

Get a clue and get a life, you scum.

Are you making the suggestion that placing a winning wager on an elite level fighter, with excellent odds, in a complete no brainer of a play, is somehow less valuable or impressive then making then making a winning wager on, lets say, some obscure european card?

I don't understand...

MD · 04-23-13, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Are you making the suggestion that placing a winning wager on an elite level fighter, with excellent odds, in a complete no brainer of a play, is somehow less valuable or impressive then making then making a winning wager on, lets say, some obscure european card?

I don't understand...

What he's saying is that I'm only picking obvious winnerz bruhv. Pat Curran closed as an underdog against Pitbull and was -140 or so when I bet him against Shamhalaev, but still, anyone could have seen Curran couldn't lose there. You only have to check my "I cap Pat Curran at -900" thread to see the overflowing messages of support.

**Sacrelicious** · 04-23-13, 08:39 AM

Ahh I get it, picking obvious winnerz is a poor betting strategy.

I was unaware of that.

MD · 04-23-13, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Ahh I get it, picking obvious winnerz is a poor betting strategy.

I was unaware of that.

Indeed. If only the public knew it was so obvious. Pitbull got bet down over and over again until he was the favourite, and a number of people on SBR were backing him. Still, incredibly obvious. As was the second Curran fight, no one backed Shamhalaev. Velasquez too, he was always going to win.

**Sacrelicious** · 04-23-13, 08:45 AM

Ahh I see,

Well, that settles it, I should probably stop trying to bet on obvious winners with astoundingly good lines, and instead focus my time on handicapping obscure European mixed martial arts so my picks become more "impressive".

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

So you didnt bet on Elkins then?

i saw a little value in the lines for elkins, uyenoyama, and mir but didnt play any of em. only dog i was on was thompson.

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Sacrelicious

Are you making the suggestion that placing a winning wager on an elite level fighter, with excellent odds, in a complete no brainer of a play, is somehow less valuable or impressive then making then making a winning wager on, lets say, some obscure european card?

I don't understand...

No card is obscure, and yes, I'm saying it's more impressive to find a +250 dog that should really be a -250 fav.

If you tell me you're betting Pat Curran, Chris Weidman, GSP, etc. at around +EV and your bet ends up cashing, I'm not going to be impressed with your win.

If you, like me, capped Joey Beltran as -250 fav over Igor Pokrajac and he was released as a +250 dog, then suggested a max bet on it, I would be impressed. Especially since everyone else was on Pokrajac. Same could be said for numerous other nice dogs I've heavily backed. Still can't believe some of you bet Ricci over Colton Smith, or Urijah over Gastelum.

MD · 04-23-13, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by gabe

i saw a little value in the lines for elkins, uyenoyama, and mir but didnt play any of em. only dog i was on was thompson.

And they all had stellar performances.

**sideloaded** · 04-23-13, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Caraway will win, given he doesnt gas too quickly

*Mr. Tate

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by MD

Indeed. If only the public knew it was so obvious. Pitbull got bet down over and over again until he was the favourite, and a number of people on SBR were backing him. Still, incredibly obvious. As was the second Curran fight, no one backed Shamhalaev. Velasquez too, he was always going to win.

Grabaka and I were the only 2 on Velasquez by Decision +960

MD · 04-23-13, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by gabe

No card is obscure, and yes, I'm saying it's more impressive to find a +250 dog that should really be a -250 fav.

If you tell me you're betting Pat Curran, Chris Weidman, GSP, etc. at around +EV and your bet ends up cashing, I'm not going to be impressed with your win.

If you, like me, capped Joey Beltran as -250 fav over Igor Pokrajac and he was released as a +250 dog, then suggested a max bet on it, I would be impressed. Especially since everyone else was on Pokrajac. Same could be said for numerous other nice dogs I've heavily backed. Still can't believe some of you bet Ricci over Colton Smith, or Urijah over Gastelum.

I was on both Colton Smith and Gastelum. Check my thread. I also said that Gastelum would beat Josh and is the biggest threat to Hall.

Originally posted by gabe

Grabaka and I were the only 2 on Velasquez by Decision +960

I was on Cain by decision small, I was away on vacation at the time though and didn't post it though. I am not a past poster. Only pick I didn't post in my thread that I later claimed to have won on that card was Cain, and that's because I started an entire thread about how great a bet he is, and had "Cain will bury the forum" as my status.

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by MD

And they all had stellar performances.

No, only Mir did. Given that most expected him to be KO'd within 2 mins.

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by MD

I was on both Colton Smith and Gastelum. Check my thread. I also said that Gastelum would beat Josh and is the biggest threat to Hall.

I went 11-4 with my TUF picks on UFC.com, was 4th place out of a sh!tload of people and won prizes.

**sideloaded** · 04-23-13, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by gabe

I went 11-4 with my TUF picks on UFC.com, was 4th place out of a sh!tload of people and won prizes.

Only way to settle this is to have a cap off. next 5 events whoever turns in the most units after 5 wins. Start with 50 units.

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by gabe

i saw a little value in the lines for elkins, uyenoyama, and mir but didnt play any of em. only dog i was on was thompson.

So you weren't being serious with this post on your gambling twitter page then?...

Gabriel Killian ‏@GabeKillianMMA Protected account20 Apr
Myles Jury + Jordan Mein + Ben Henderson -- fliers on Darren Elkins and Francisco Mir

**BIGDAY** · 04-23-13, 09:13 AM

This is getting good... I'm gonna grab a fuggen chair.

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 09:15 AM

Goddammnit, you are such a fool you fool, I pity the fool! Obviously a flier means that I picked them as a winnerz but didnt play them then I just flew off in the distance. Lol you are such a fool lol

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

So you weren't being serious with this post on your gambling twitter page then?...

Gabriel Killian ‏@GabeKillianMMA Protected account20 Apr
Myles Jury + Jordan Mein + Ben Henderson -- fliers on Darren Elkins and Francisco Mir

did i recommend fliers on those 2? yes. did i also recommend darren o? yes. pretty sure i already stated i saw value in those guys.

**Vaughany** · 04-23-13, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

This is getting good... I'm gonna grab a fuggen chair.

get your singlet on while you're there buddy! could get sweaty

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Goddammnit, you are such a fool you fool, I pity the fool! Obviously a flier means that I picked them as a winnerz but didnt play them then I just flew off in the distance. Lol you are such a fool lol

I would have made small bets on them if I wasn't on a mini-break. I wanted to take the entire card off all-together, as I stated numerous times. You've the most active member yet you missed that? Hm, how convenient.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by gabe

I went 11-4 with my TUF picks on UFC.com, was 4th place out of a sh!tload of people and won prizes.

That wasn't exactly the point. The point is that I've made plenty of big dog plays. I cashed Kelvin by decision +850. How long ago was that bruhv?

**gabe** · 04-23-13, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by MD

That wasn't exactly the point. The point is that I've made plenty of big dog plays. I cashed Kelvin by decision +850. How long ago was that bruhv?

I was just saying, for anyone who doesn't take me seriously- that contest alone means proves that person is a fa-hooo-hooo-ooooool.

MD · 04-23-13, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by gabe

I was just saying, for anyone who doesn't take me seriously- that contest alone means proves that person is a fa-hooo-hooo-ooooool.

Really? That's your justification for why people should take you seriously? You came fourth in a free contest on UFC.com. I'd almost believe you're trolling.

Lately you've been very difficult to take seriously and I have no idea why. Step it back up bruhv.