UFC 209: Woodley vs. Thompson 2 (March 04, 2017)

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

UFC PPV 10:00 pm ET
Tyron Woodley vs Stephen Thompson (for welterweight title)
Tony Ferguson vs Khabib Nurmagomedov (for interim lightweight title)
Rashad Evans vs Daniel Kelly
Lando Vannata vs David Teymur
Alistar Oveereem vs Mark Hunt

Fox Sports 1, 08:00 pm ET
Daniel Spitz vs Mark Godbeer
Marcin Tybura vs Luis Henrique
Darren Elkins vs Mirsad Bektic
Luke Sanders vs Iuri Alcantara

UFC Fight Pass 06:30 pm ET
Paul Graig vs Tyson Pedro

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[firekillex]

Big Ferg
Woodley
Overeem
Rashad

[Hugo de Naranja]

Big Ferg
Woodley
Overeem
Rashad

I'm with you on the first 2. Overeem gets KOed for the 11th time in his career and Rashad hangs 'em up

[Hugo de Naranja]

This is pretty lean for a PPV card. Only 10 fights

[firekillex]

I'm with you on the first 2. Overeem gets KOed for the 11th time in his career and Rashad hangs 'em up

wont be betting alistair vs hunt fight way to sketchy for me... but overeem is who id predict to win
if i bet that fight itll be props ( hunt ko, overeem decision ) gotta see the value

and we all know the rashad vs kelly bet we got so i got suga you got old bum lolll

[GoBlue77]

you guys are seriously betting Ferguson here? ew.

i like the russian and wonder boy.

[firekillex]

BIG FERG all day long blue, much more skilled and all around fighter
5 rounds is the key here


btw go pro , you got like 17k points you can get some fun stuff with that amigo
definitely worth $100 or some charity donations

[richie360]

This is pretty lean for a PPV card. Only 10 fights

Ed Herman got injured yesterday or today so that fight was pulled. Main events are usually 12 fights so I'm hoping they add at least one more fight, possibly 2.

[firekillex]

plus todd duffee got hurt and pulled i think


and just noticed Lando is fighting , that scrap is a darkhorse for fight of the night

[Hugo de Naranja]

Ed Herman got injured yesterday or today so that fight was pulled. Main events are usually 12 fights so I'm hoping they add at least one more fight, possibly 2.

Yeah that would be nice. Was looking forward to fading that bum Herman. Oh well

[Hugo de Naranja]

plus todd duffee got hurt and pulled i think


and just noticed Lando is fighting , that scrap is a darkhorse for fight of the night

I've been big on Teymur since his TUF days. Think he gets the upset here but Lando is hot fire in the first round. That's the fight I'm second most excited for behind Nurmy/Fergie

[firekillex]

I've been big on Teymur since his TUF days. Think he gets the upset here but Lando is hot fire in the first round. That's the fight I'm second most excited for behind Nurmy/Fergie

that TUF season wasnt bad, Teymur could be a solid fighter in the UFC
but i think Lando is a big time prospect , guy is silky smooth

should be a great fight

[GoBlue77]

BIG FERG all day long blue, much more skilled and all around fighter
5 rounds is the key here


btw go pro , you got like 17k points you can get some fun stuff with that amigo
definitely worth $100 or some charity donations

will do.

and I'm still trying to decide on this fight. ferguson is good but i wouldn't say he is more skilled all around.

[JIBBBY]

TWOOD VS WONDERBOY - I think you gotta go with T wood in the rematch.. He had Wonderboy on the ropes so to speak a few times in that first match up and finished strong... As long as he doesn't get caught with something early he should win this second go around..

[Hugo de Naranja]

TWOOD VS WONDERBOY - I think you gotta go with T wood in the rematch.. He had Wonderboy on the ropes so to speak a few times in that first match up and finished strong... As long as he doesn't get caught with something early he should win this second go around..

KHABIB vs El CUCUY - Leaning Khabib just because he seems like he's on a mission and looked great against Cowboy.. I also said I would never bet against El Cucuy until he loses a fight, this match up has me twisted..

Tony hasn't lost in 9 fights now..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tony-Ferguson-31239

Technically you gotta go with Khabib standing or on the ground.. Intangibles all favor El Cucuy though.. Have no idea how I'm gonna play this fight now for the straight winner..

I can only think hedging it - Prop play - maybe Ferg by decision, hedged Khabib by KO.. Not even sure about this...

Khabib is better standing? Totally disagree with that

[Plaza23]

btw go pro , you got like 17k points you can get some fun stuff with that amigo

It doesn't matter how many points you have when you go pro, you are automatically reset back to 3,000.

[firekillex]

It doesn't matter how many points you have when you go pro, you are automatically reset back to 3,000.

Oh that's crappy, you can't bet 14k betpoints into stuff , go pro with 3k and hope to recover some back and go even ??

[firekillex]

Khabib is better standing? Totally disagree with that

Ferguson is light years ahead of Khabib standing , literally has the advantage in speed, length, power, technique, boxing, kicking, unorthodox movements, foot speed, head movement

Khabib is just a mauler ontop , Ferguson even has better submissions imo

[Hugo de Naranja]

Ferguson is light years ahead of Khabib standing , literally has the advantage in speed, length, power, technique, boxing, kicking, unorthodox movements, foot speed, head movement

Khabib is just a mauler ontop , Ferguson even has better submissions imo

Khabib does have the best takedowns in the history of the UFC imo. His GnP is also great. Just don't see him being able to get Ferguson down and control him on the ground for 5 rounds.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Oh that's crappy, you can't bet 14k betpoints into stuff , go pro with 3k and hope to recover some back and go even ??

Really? That sucks

[firekillex]

Khabib does have the best takedowns in the history of the UFC imo. His GnP is also great. Just don't see him being able to get Ferguson down and control him on the ground for 5 rounds.

He's the best guy at just smothering people and grinding ontop
but Ferguson will threaten with chokes and crazy reversals all fight long especially 25 minutes

Ferg has the best cardio at 55 period imo, I wanna see if Khabib can keep his gas tank up when he actually has to struggle for some takedowns and keeping positioning .. El cucuoy always stays in your face and he doesn't stop the pressure , his footwork is always great so if he can just stop a few takedowns And land some hard strikes like we seen Michael Johnson do in the first round where he had Khabib hurt , Ferguson won't let off the gas pedal at all... plus who knows about Khabibs health and how much of a toll all those injuries put on him.. Regardless it's a great fight , one of the best in lightweight history imo , especially with such a great contrast of styles


50/50 fight even Maybe more for Ferguson imo I'll take +175 all day long, Tony has the the more overall/ diverse skills and Khabib has the mastery of a martial art

[Hugo de Naranja]

He's the best guy at just smothering people and grinding ontop
but Ferguson will threaten with chokes and crazy reversals all fight long especially 25 minutes

Ferg has the best cardio at 55 period imo, I wanna see if Khabib can keep his gas tank up when he actually has to struggle for some takedowns and keeping positioning .. El cucuoy always stays in your face and he doesn't stop the pressure , his footwork is always great so if he can just stop a few takedowns And land some hard strikes like we seen Michael Johnson do in the first round where he had Khabib hurt , Ferguson won't let off the gas pedal at all... plus who knows about Khabibs health and how much of a toll all those injuries put on him.. Regardless it's a great fight , one of the best in lightweight history imo , especially with such a great contrast of styles


50/50 fight even Maybe more for Ferguson imo I'll take +175 all day long, Tony has the the more overall/ diverse skills and Khabib has the mastery of a martial art

I think a good strategy here is to bet some on Ferguson pre-fight but also look to live bet him after R1. He has a LOT of comeback wins in his career. He lost the first Round against RDA, Vannata, Barboza, and Trujillo, just to name a few.

One interesting part of this matchup will be Ferguson's TDD, which is typically pretty decent, against Khabib's takedowns, which are nigh unstoppable.

[Hugo de Naranja]

For Khabib backers, why not take Over 3.5 Rounds instead at (-175)?

[JIBBBY]

Khabib is better standing? Totally disagree with that

Khabib

[JIBBBY]

ferguson is light years ahead of khabib standing , literally has the advantage in speed, length, power, technique, boxing, kicking, unorthodox movements, foot speed, head movement

khabib is just a mauler ontop , ferguson even has better submissions imo

i agree

[firekillex]

khabib hasnt been dominated standing because hes never standing hes always ontop of his opponents lol
he stood with michael johnson for 3 minutes and was rocked / getting beat and ferguson is a better striker then michael johnson imo

khabib is a great fighter/ grappler but his record is inflated and hes fought mostly wrestlers/grapplers in the UFC where hes the best at that craft, Ferguson has had harder competition in the UFC and is easily khabibs kryptonite, if somebodys gonna beat him its tony ferguson

a better striker who can wrestle with him and threaten with submissions, i could link videos of showing how tony is a better striker but i think its pretty obvious hes a much better striker , not even a debate or discussion to me .. Ferguson is a great striker and khabib is average at best in the striking department , he throws only hands , has no diversity and just throws power shots to close the distance to grab a hold of his opponent/clinch up.. Tony can do much much more on the standup he has KO power something khabib hasnt shown, he has great accuracy, way better footwork, length in reach ( arms and legs ) has a great chin, faster striker , better kicks and easily has more weapons since he throws any strike possible


that would be like saying ben askren is a better striker then carlos condit in comparison for me

[JIBBBY]

khabib hasnt been dominated standing because hes never standing hes always ontop of his opponents lol
he stood with michael johnson for 3 minutes and was rocked / getting beat and ferguson is a better striker then michael johnson imo

khabib is a great fighter/ grappler but his record is inflated and hes fought mostly wrestlers/grapplers in the ufc where hes the best at that craft, ferguson has had harder competition in the ufc and is easily khabibs kryptonite, if somebodys gonna beat him its tony ferguson

a better striker who can wrestle with him and threaten with submissions, i could link videos of showing how tony is a better striker but i think its pretty obvious hes a much better striker , not even a debate or discussion to me .. Ferguson is a pretty striker and khabib is average at best in the striking department , he throws only hands , has no diversity and just throws power shots to close the distance to grab a hold of his opponent/clinch up.. Tony can do much much more on the standup he has ko power something khabib hasnt shown, he has great accuracy, way better footwork, length in reach ( arms and legs ) has a great chin, faster striker , better kicks and easily has more weapons since he throws any strike possible


that would be like saying ben askren is a better striker then carlos condit in comparison for me

i agree

[firekillex]

look at that diversity of strikes , beautiful to watch
and jesus he latches onto that d'arce like a mosqiuto on dog shitt

[firekillex]

both fighters are in their primes for sure , thats why in my opinion its the best 155 fight ever in mma

khabib is the most dominant grappler the lightweight division has ever seen and Tony is the most unorthodox / skilled fighter i think the 155 division has ever seen he has elite grappling/ striking .. Since mma is so young hes one of the first to be so skilled at all aspects of the game

close fight dont get me wrong either guy can win but Tony has the clear striking advantage here, if khabib chose to try and stand with Ferg it would be a gigantic mistake, hes gonna use what got him to the dance and hes gonna try to grapple / smother tony for 5 rounds straight and maybe finish by submission or ground and pound... Tony has more ways to win this he can ko/tko khabib on the feet, he can sub him , he can win a hard fought decision .. hes shown it all in the UFC guy has heart for days just watching the barbosa fight proves that ....

either way we all win watching this fight

ps khabib didnt fight cowboy but yes hes in his prime for sure , but the injuries could definitely hamper his growth sitting on the sidelines so much over the years



tony is basically a rich mans nate diaz, but with kicks and wrestling lol

[GunShard]

I can't wait for this fight card.

I consider Ferguson a high fight IQ fighter like McGregor, Holloway, Garbrandt and DJohnson. Though it's a hard fight to call.

[JIBBBY]

both fighters are in their primes for sure , thats why in my opinion its the best 155 fight ever in mma

khabib is the most dominant grappler the lightweight division has ever seen and Tony is the most unorthodox / skilled fighter i think the 155 division has ever seen he has elite grappling/ striking .. Since mma is so young hes one of the first to be so skilled at all aspects of the game

close fight dont get me wrong either guy can win but Tony has the clear striking advantage here, if khabib chose to try and stand with Ferg it would be a gigantic mistake, hes gonna use what got him to the dance and hes gonna try to grapple / smother tony for 5 rounds straight and maybe finish by submission or ground and pound... Tony has more ways to win this he can ko/tko khabib on the feet, he can sub him , he can win a hard fought decision .. hes shown it all in the UFC guy has heart for days just watching the barbosa fight proves that ....

either way we all win watching this fight

ps khabib didnt fight cowboy but yes hes in his prime for sure , but the injuries could definitely hamper his growth sitting on the sidelines so much over the years



tony is basically a rich mans nate diaz, but with kicks and wrestling lol

I agree

[Shagdogy]

Don't sleep on Paul Craig vs. Tyson Pedro. That's a big time fight. Craig is much more tested, but Pedro just might be a different kind of animal. When he gets in deep he does not fail on takedowns, and on top he puts everyone to a decision - get mounted and pounded on, or give up back and tap. Craig loves his BJJ though and gets subs constantly. Solid fight.

[Shagdogy]

khabib hasnt been dominated standing because hes never standing hes always ontop of his opponents lol
he stood with michael johnson for 3 minutes and was rocked / getting beat and ferguson is a better striker then michael johnson imo

Ferg a better striker than Michael Johnson? He has great pressure for sure, but did you watch Johnson vs. Poirier? Johnson has some speed and crispness that Ferg doesn't.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Khabib has improved as a fighter since those fight comparisons you are mentioning.. He's upped his volume in fights and tries to finish now... Khabib is in his MMA prime right now and it showed against Cowboy.. He's completely dedicated and on a mission is Khabib.

I just think he's more technical then El Cucuy standing or grappling.... I'm leaning Khabib but like I said El Cucuy is that total X factor for sure!! Tough fight to call Fire...

Did he ever fight Cowboy? I think they were booked a few times but it always fell through