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  • BigdaddyQH
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    • 07-13-09
    • 19530

    #1
    Is the Big 12 Finished?
    It could well be, if Nebraska jumps to the Big 10, as being reported in some Omaha papers. Aparently Nebraska has had enough of the Texas run conference, and will agree to join the Big 10, some say as early as Friday. This would open the door for Missouri to join the Big 10, and could lead to a mass exodus by the Big 12 South to the Pac 10, who is definately going to expand, one way or another.

    We may be witnessing the birth of the "Super Conferences". The Big 10 and Pac 10 now appear to be on the verge of expanding to 16 teams. The Big 10 will put the Big East out of it's misery. The MWC will pick up the pieces of the Big 12 (the two Kansas Schools, Iowa State and the loser of the Baylor/Colorado rush to the Pac 10) Boise State, and a couple of WAC schools to expand to 16 and take the Big East's place as the newest BCS Conference. The MWC will become the host conference of the Fiesta Bowl, replacing the Big 12.

    This leaves the SEC and ACC, with the SEC calling all of the shots. If the SEC decides to expand by 4 teams, they will raid the ACC for those teams. This puts the ACC in a tough spot. If they lose 4 teams, they would have to find 8 teams to expand to 16. They could pick up the Big East teams not taken by the Big 10, which could be as many as 6, and take two more teams. UCF certainly could be one, and there are other candidates to make up the second, and thrid (if needed) teams.

    The big loser in all this? Notre Dame's hopes to keep their "Independence". They will be forced to join the Big 10 or be a school without a conference for many of their sports. They will also be a team without a Bowl tie-in because with the exception of BCS Bowl Games, the Irish are tied in to the Big East Bowls, and no Big East means no bowl tie-ins for Notre Dame. To all of my friends who are fans of the Irish, you are better off in the Big 10. Have you seen this year's Big East Bowl tie-ins?
    Last edited by BigdaddyQH; 06-09-10, 08:47 AM.
  • iwantcougars
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    • 09-29-09
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    #2
    pressure is on the notre dame side, because if this happen it will be extremely hard to get a bcs bowl invite (with their actual agreement)
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    • Kustac
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      • 10-15-09
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      #3
      don't see the SEC expanding this year, the SEC saw this coming and if they had wanted to expand they would have grabbed Texas, AM, Okl, Okl St - afterall the SEC has won like 7 of the last 13 National Titles right (I think this is correct) - and it and the Big 10 would be debated for the best conference - Pac 10 just isn't on this level
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      • daneblazer
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        #4
        The SEC is being reactive instead of proactive this time and rightfully so. They are waiting to see what happens w/ Texas before they make a play...and they will make a play.

        One possible place Notre Dame could end up? Believe it or not, the SEC.

        I think the big loser in all of this is Kansas. Seems like nobody wants the Jayhawks.
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        • stealthyburrito
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          • 05-12-09
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          #5
          jayhawks would be scooped up by the mountain west, as would most of the stragglers in the big 12.

          major power shifts are abound in college football.
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          • suckerforparlays
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            • 02-15-10
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            #6
            Big 12 is bye bye
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            • Herky
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              • 05-09-10
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              #7
              Looks that way. I think it is hilarious.
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              • plzkthx
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                • 11-25-09
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                #8
                alright pac 10 is actually going to get serious
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                • BigdaddyQH
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                  • 07-13-09
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                  #9
                  The SEC is not nearly as powerful as the Pac 10. One sport does not make up a conference. The Pac 10 is now the leader of the pack. The SEC and ACC will fall in line.
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                  • HoulihansTX
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                    • 02-12-09
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                    The SEC is not nearly as powerful as the Pac 10. One sport does not make up a conference. The Pac 10 is now the leader of the pack. The SEC and ACC will fall in line.
                    Football pays for all other sports a school has. So yes Football, especially football in the South, where every game is sold out in huge stadiums, makes up for a whole conference.

                    When you think SEC, you think power football confernce. Hell, SEC has their own TV deal with CBS, that pays the bills. Big Ten doesnt have shit on the SEC.
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                    • BigdaddyQH
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                      • 07-13-09
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                      #11
                      The Pac 10 still controls the NCAA ship. If they go to 16 teams, the Big 10 will follows suit, and the SEC and ACC have no option but to expand to 16 teams. It is true that the SEC is the super power in football is currently the SEC, but that is as far as it goes. The Pac 10 is going to get a huge T.V. contract in 2012, and if the SEC wants to follow suit in the money race, they will have to expand.
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                      • Willie Bee
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                        • 02-14-06
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                        #12
                        I've gotten over the 'tradition/old days' bit through the years. Used to listen to my paw-in-law moan about how the Dodgers got taken from him in Brooklyn, never understood it until my own Oilers went to Tennessee, plus have lived through the good ol' SouthWest Conference change.

                        If it leads to Notre Dame "conferencing up" and some sort of standardization of regular season schedules, I'm all for it because both of those things need to happen before the inevitable playoffs that are next on the agenda.
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                        • Cookie Monster
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                          • 12-05-08
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                          #13
                          About the original question, Big 12 can survive if they want. They could easily add Houston and TCU and continue business as usual. Even BYU and Boise State are possibilities. The question is: Do UT and OU want to keep the Big 12 alive, or want to jump ship to Pac-10?
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                          • Kustac
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                            • 10-15-09
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                            The SEC is not nearly as powerful as the Pac 10. One sport does not make up a conference. The Pac 10 is now the leader of the pack. The SEC and ACC will fall in line.
                            I'm lost, I really think you maybe a little bias here with the PAC 10. I mean are you suggesting basketball makes the difference (?), because even that not a clear cut arguement for one verses the other. As far as TV money ESPN had it up the other day (they showed all the conferences) and the SEC was WAY WAY ahead of the PAC 10 (maybe someone has that chart, but I think it was almost double the amount of TV football contract money). As far as falling in line/leader of the pack you now may have USC, Texas, Oklahoma verses Alabama, Florida, LSU - call me crazy but if you played them top to bottom, I'd certainly take the SEC to win two of those three.
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                            • RonMexico
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                              • 10-06-09
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                              #15
                              texas has never wanted to be a part of the sec. they dont see themselves as a good fit for the footprint of the sec region. The great thing about the sec is its an easy drive to every other team in the conference outside of arkansas. Texas wouldn't fit in, and they know it.
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                              • Z_Wipf
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                                • 01-15-10
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                                #16
                                I dont see the Big 12 being around in 5 years.
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                                • cover1
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                                  • 05-24-10
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                                  #17
                                  He gone
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                                  • Shelton
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                                    • 01-06-10
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                                    #18
                                    yep its over vanderbuilt might win something soon
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                                    • daneblazer
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                                      • 09-14-08
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                                      #19
                                      Texas A&M rumored to the SEC
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                                      • iwantcougars
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                                        • 09-29-09
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Kustac
                                        the SEC was WAY WAY ahead of the PAC 10 (maybe someone has that chart, but I think it was almost double the amount of TV football contract money).
                                        here it's (from the colorado pac10 topic)
                                        Originally posted by suckerforparlays
                                        TV CONTRACT VALUES

                                        BCS conference Amount of contract
                                        Big Ten $242 million
                                        SEC $205 million
                                        Big 12 $78 million
                                        ACC $67 million
                                        Pacific-10 $58 million
                                        Big East $33 million
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                                        • VenomLugz
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                                          • 01-17-09
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                                          #21
                                          BSU join MWC!!!
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                                          • Kustac
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                                            • 10-15-09
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                                            #22
                                            Thanks iwantc ... that chart is amazing almost hard to believe the difference in money between conferences
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                                            • itchypickle
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                                              • 11-05-09
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                              The Pac 10 still controls the NCAA ship. If they go to 16 teams, the Big 10 will follows suit, and the SEC and ACC have no option but to expand to 16 teams. It is true that the SEC is the super power in football is currently the SEC, but that is as far as it goes. The Pac 10 is going to get a huge T.V. contract in 2012, and if the SEC wants to follow suit in the money race, they will have to expand.

                                              BigDaddy...I respect your opinions on a lot...normally side with you on most issues/wagers...but on this one I have to ask ...HOW exactly is the Pac 10 above the SEC? What is the most significant achievement in the last several years? NCAAB...BCS...CWS??

                                              And yes I went to Bama for my undergrad years...so I have a bias...just throwing it out there for transparency sake.
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                                              • BigdaddyQH
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                                                • 07-13-09
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                                                #24
                                                Other than academically, where the SEC is about as dumb as they get, the PAC 10 passed theSEC up this year by expanding to 16 teams. That, and the fact that they now cover a large part of the nation including the two most populous states in the union (Califronia and Texas) means that they will demand huge T.V. money, much more than the SEC will demand at 12 teams. The SEC is said to make about 17 million per team. The Pac 10wilmake between 22 and 25 million per team, and we are talking 16 teams here, not 12. Now if theSECfollowssuit,they go back to the front of the class. That is how it works.

                                                As far as A&M joining the SEC, it would help the SEC money wise, and certainly would not threaten any SEC football team other than the two Mississippi Schools in the SEC West. That is how bad A&M football is. They have a 1-10 record against OU, a team that can not beat SEC teams, and gave up 121 points in TWO years to OU.
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                                                • Maxmillion
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                                                  #25
                                                  Hopefully the BCS is next to go down. PLAYOFF!!!!
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                                                  • itchypickle
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                                                    • 11-05-09
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                    Other than academically, where the SEC is about as dumb as they get, the PAC 10 passed theSEC up this year by expanding to 16 teams. That, and the fact that they now cover a large part of the nation including the two most populous states in the union (Califronia and Texas) means that they will demand huge T.V. money, much more than the SEC will demand at 12 teams. The SEC is said to make about 17 million per team. The Pac 10wilmake between 22 and 25 million per team, and we are talking 16 teams here, not 12. Now if theSECfollowssuit,they go back to the front of the class. That is how it works.

                                                    As far as A&M joining the SEC, it would help the SEC money wise, and certainly would not threaten any SEC football team other than the two Mississippi Schools in the SEC West. That is how bad A&M football is. They have a 1-10 record against OU, a team that can not beat SEC teams, and gave up 121 points in TWO years to OU.
                                                    Sorry man, I was referencing athletic championships and the like. Size of region...agreed. And as far as the population...not sure how it plays out considering the fact that not everyone in that demographic out west is as consumed by the schools as they are in the southeast and Texas. Easy to find people with barely a high school education supporting many SEC schools as if they attended them. Academically, overall you're probably correct. I can't speak to it not having any experience with the schools out there.

                                                    Not sure how A&M would do in the conference. Both Miss St and Ole Miss do struggle due to the low recruiting area competing with Bama, Auburn, Tenn and even Southern Miss. Either way I'm actually excited to see how all of these big moves pan out after this season. Gonna get interesting
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                                                    • Kustac
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                                                      • 10-15-09
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                      Other than academically, where the SEC is about as dumb as they get, the PAC 10 passed theSEC up this year by expanding to 16 teams. That, and the fact that they now cover a large part of the nation including the two most populous states in the union (Califronia and Texas) means that they will demand huge T.V. money, much more than the SEC will demand at 12 teams. The SEC is said to make about 17 million per team. The Pac 10wilmake between 22 and 25 million per team, and we are talking 16 teams here, not 12. Now if theSECfollowssuit,they go back to the front of the class. That is how it works.
                                                      Sorry BigD, you know I appreciate your info and opinions, but on this topic I couldn't disagree more. This level of expansion has never happened before, so I don't think you can somehow say a 16 team PAC 10 passes up a 12 team SEC because "that is how it works". As far as money you add the full amount of the current Big 12 TV contract to the PAC 10 contract and your only at 136 million which is still far short of the SEC contract for 205 million. Sure those numbers can change some, but I think its pretty generous to add the entire Big 12 contract onto the already existing PAC 10 one. Plus the SEC would only be splitting theirs among 12 schools and not 16. Perhaps most importantly at the end of the day I still like the top 6 football programs in the SEC in a hypothetical matchup with the top 6 in the new PAC 10.
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                                                      • PAULYPOKER
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                                                        #28
                                                        Is the Big 12 Finished?


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                                                        • redrum
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                                                          • 02-13-08
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                                                          #29
                                                          yep its over
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                                                          • SR
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                                                            • 09-10-08
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                                                            #30
                                                            I wish the Big ten had invited missouri as well, that would be sweet for football.
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                                                            • JMUplayer
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                                                              • 08-27-09
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                                                              #31
                                                              Big 12 has one shot to survive...
                                                              Invite WVA... and Memphis...

                                                              WVA brings football cred and solid basketball
                                                              Memphis is basketball to play with Kansas...

                                                              Also gives the big 12 some wings outside the plains....
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                                                              • daneblazer
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                                                                #32
                                                                So apprentley the Big 12 survives. In my opinion, this only prologues the inevitable. Who in the hell is going to want to put up a TV package for a run down Big-12 even remotely close to what the SEC, Big 10, or PAC can provide now?
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                                                                • JMUplayer
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Losing Colorado and Nebraska really isn't that huge a deal you can fill those shoes...... see above post.
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                                                                  • The DiB
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                                                                    • 11-22-09
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by daneblazer
                                                                    So apprentley the Big 12 survives. In my opinion, this only prologues the inevitable. Who in the hell is going to want to put up a TV package for a run down Big-12 even remotely close to what the SEC, Big 10, or PAC can provide now?
                                                                    Each team now has the right to negotiate their own network. Although outside of Texas, OU, TAMU, and maybe Kansas, I can't see any other school being able to do that.
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                                                                    • jwbama23
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Thank God this mess is over with for now. I dont think this is the last we hear of it but hopefully the former Big 12 can pick up 2 solid teams and move on. Losing Colorado is not that big but Nebraska will hurt. I mainly just wanted to see the SEC stay the same but that was only gonna happen if the Big 12 tried to stay together
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