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#1857Oh no, the ball is not juiced.
On this date, June 10, 2019, exactly one year ago to the day, the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Philadelphia Phillies played to a 13-8 game in which a record breaking combined total of 13 home runs were hit.
The Diamondbacks opened the game hitting three consecutive home runs (all solo shots of course) in the first inning.
Batting AB R H RBI BB SO PA BA OBP SLG OPS Details Cesar Hernandez 2B 4 0 0 0 1 0 5 0.27 0.333 0.432 0.765 Bryce Harper RF 4 0 1 1 1 2 5 0.251 0.356 0.466 0.822 Jean Segura SS 5 2 1 1 0 0 5 0.291 0.339 0.463 0.801 HR,SB Rhys Hoskins 1B 4 1 3 2 1 0 5 0.271 0.392 0.521 0.913 HR J.T. Realmuto C 4 0 1 0 1 1 5 0.273 0.331 0.454 0.784 Jay Bruce LF 5 1 1 1 0 1 5 0.23 0.29 0.597 0.887 HR Scott Kingery CF 5 3 3 2 0 0 5 0.324 0.36 0.61 0.97 2·HR,3B Maikel Franco 3B 5 0 1 1 0 0 5 0.209 0.282 0.384 0.666 Jerad Eickhoff P 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0.067 0 0.067 Ranger Suarez P 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 1 1 1 2 SH Edgar Garcia P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nick Williams PH 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0.169 0.213 0.254 0.467 2B Austin Davis P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Team Totals 39 8 13 8 4 5 44 0.333 0.395 0.795 1.19 Batting AB R H RBI BB SO PA BA OBP SLG OPS Details Jarrod Dyson CF 4 1 2 1 0 0 4 0.268 0.352 0.389 0.74 HR Tim Locastro CF 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.242 0.398 0.348 0.746 Ketel Marte SS 5 2 3 1 0 0 5 0.274 0.325 0.526 0.852 HR David Peralta LF 4 1 1 1 1 2 5 0.3 0.351 0.523 0.874 HR Adam Jones RF 4 2 1 0 1 2 5 0.276 0.323 0.496 0.818 Eduardo Escobar 3B 5 3 4 5 0 0 5 0.299 0.356 0.594 0.95 2·HR,2B Christian Walker 1B 3 1 0 0 2 1 5 0.252 0.331 0.478 0.809 SB Alex Avila C 5 1 1 2 0 1 5 0.214 0.413 0.464 0.878 HR,GDP Ildemaro Vargas 2B 5 2 2 3 0 0 5 0.266 0.298 0.413 0.711 2·HR Taylor Clarke P 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 0.375 0.375 0.75 1.125 Zack Godley P 1 0 0 0 1 1 2 0.214 0.313 0.214 0.527 Matt Andriese P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Kevin Cron PH 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0.25 0.313 0.607 0.92 Greg Holland P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Team Totals 40 # 14 13 6 9 46 0.35 0.435 0.975 1.41
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#1858Manfred gonna be forced to say its a 45 game season..players get pro rated salaries as agreed upon. Lots of talk players will not like being forced to play and some big names will sit out. This getting worse by the day.
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#1859Every other sport will comeback accept baseball.Comment -
#1860Time for hoops, so sad baseball.Comment -
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#1863Major League Baseball is preparing yet another counter-offer to the Players Association after the MLBPA proposed an 89-game season with prorated salaries yesterday, commissioner Rob Manfred said minutes ago in an appearance on MLB Network (hat tip: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times, on Twitter). More encouragingly, Manfred emphatically stated: “We’re going to play baseball in 2020 — 100 percent.” The commissioner’s preference remains for a negotiated agreement between the league and union, but Manfred does have the ability to implement a shorter season (at fully prorated salaries) under the standing March agreement.
The details of the forthcoming proposal will be telling. Manfred acknowledged that it’ll be in the “players’ direction” but also suggested that he hopes the union will back down from its insistence on prorated pay. That has been the crux of the players’ entire argument to this point, and it has not seemed likely at all that they’ll be swayed. If anything, recent brazen comments from Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt Jr., Cubs owner Tom Ricketts and D-backs owner Ken Kendrick about the lack of profitability in baseball and the need for revenue sharing have only caused the players to further dig in. Many big leaguers — Justin Turner, Jameson Taillon, Randal Grichuk among them — met DeWitt’s comment that the baseball industry “isn’t very profitable, to be honest,” with bewilderment and disbelief.
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported earlier today, citing three MLB executives, that a counter-proposal was indeed in the works. Yesterday’s union proposal did contain some concessions that should appeal to ownership, but the MLBPA has steadfastly insisted that the prorated salaries which they feel were agreed upon back in March remain in place. That and the 89-game length of the proposal remain too costly in the eyes of ownership.
Nightengale suggests that Manfred will implement a season length of around 50 games if an agreement isn’t in place by next week. Of course, we’ve seen both sides negotiate through the media with a series of strategically leaked bluffs and half-truths, so it’s anyone’s guess whether ownership actually plans to wield that hammer or if this, paired with Manfred’s strong comments, is yet another leverage play. Remember, after all, that the league sent a counter-proposal to the MLBPA on Monday — just days after putting out the message that no counter was coming.
Regardless, it’s true that the clock is ticking for some kind of decision to be made. Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic wrote this morning that the time for “best and final” offers from both parties is nigh. Separately, Rosenthal suggests that the league should propose a 72-game season with prorated salaries and several of the new elements put forth by the union yesterday (e.g. two years of expanded 16-team playoffs, increased instances of players being mic’d up during broadcasts, an offseason All-Star Game/Home Run Derby this winter, etc.). To this point, neither side has made a proposal that has even moved the needle for the other.Comment -
#1864Major League Baseball is preparing yet another counter-offer to the Players Association after the MLBPA proposed an 89-game season with prorated salaries yesterday, commissioner Rob Manfred said minutes ago in an appearance on MLB Network (hat tip: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times, on Twitter). More encouragingly, Manfred emphatically stated: “We’re going to play baseball in 2020 — 100 percent.” The commissioner’s preference remains for a negotiated agreement between the league and union, but Manfred does have the ability to implement a shorter season (at fully prorated salaries) under the standing March agreement.
The details of the forthcoming proposal will be telling. Manfred acknowledged that it’ll be in the “players’ direction” but also suggested that he hopes the union will back down from its insistence on prorated pay. That has been the crux of the players’ entire argument to this point, and it has not seemed likely at all that they’ll be swayed. If anything, recent brazen comments from Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt Jr., Cubs owner Tom Ricketts and D-backs owner Ken Kendrick about the lack of profitability in baseball and the need for revenue sharing have only caused the players to further dig in. Many big leaguers — Justin Turner, Jameson Taillon, Randal Grichuk among them — met DeWitt’s comment that the baseball industry “isn’t very profitable, to be honest,” with bewilderment and disbelief.
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported earlier today, citing three MLB executives, that a counter-proposal was indeed in the works. Yesterday’s union proposal did contain some concessions that should appeal to ownership, but the MLBPA has steadfastly insisted that the prorated salaries which they feel were agreed upon back in March remain in place. That and the 89-game length of the proposal remain too costly in the eyes of ownership.
Nightengale suggests that Manfred will implement a season length of around 50 games if an agreement isn’t in place by next week. Of course, we’ve seen both sides negotiate through the media with a series of strategically leaked bluffs and half-truths, so it’s anyone’s guess whether ownership actually plans to wield that hammer or if this, paired with Manfred’s strong comments, is yet another leverage play. Remember, after all, that the league sent a counter-proposal to the MLBPA on Monday — just days after putting out the message that no counter was coming.
Regardless, it’s true that the clock is ticking for some kind of decision to be made. Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic wrote this morning that the time for “best and final” offers from both parties is nigh. Separately, Rosenthal suggests that the league should propose a 72-game season with prorated salaries and several of the new elements put forth by the union yesterday (e.g. two years of expanded 16-team playoffs, increased instances of players being mic’d up during broadcasts, an offseason All-Star Game/Home Run Derby this winter, etc.). To this point, neither side has made a proposal that has even moved the needle for the other.Comment -
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#1867Disagree.
Major League Baseball (MLB), with its 30 teams, generated around 9.9 billion U.S. dollars in total revenue in the 2018 season, almost twice the revenue generated ten years ago, when total revenue was at 5.82 billion U.S. dollars. On average, each team generated almost 330 million U.S. dollars in revenue in 2018.Comment -
#1868Major League Baseball is preparing yet another counter-offer to the Players Association after the MLBPA proposed an 89-game season with prorated salaries yesterday, commissioner Rob Manfred said minutes ago in an appearance on MLB Network (hat tip: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times, on Twitter). More encouragingly, Manfred emphatically stated: “We’re going to play baseball in 2020 — 100 percent.” The commissioner’s preference remains for a negotiated agreement between the league and union, but Manfred does have the ability to implement a shorter season (at fully prorated salaries) under the standing March agreement.
The details of the forthcoming proposal will be telling. Manfred acknowledged that it’ll be in the “players’ direction” but also suggested that he hopes the union will back down from its insistence on prorated pay. That has been the crux of the players’ entire argument to this point, and it has not seemed likely at all that they’ll be swayed. If anything, recent brazen comments from Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt Jr., Cubs owner Tom Ricketts and D-backs owner Ken Kendrick about the lack of profitability in baseball and the need for revenue sharing have only caused the players to further dig in. Many big leaguers — Justin Turner, Jameson Taillon, Randal Grichuk among them — met DeWitt’s comment that the baseball industry “isn’t very profitable, to be honest,” with bewilderment and disbelief.
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported earlier today, citing three MLB executives, that a counter-proposal was indeed in the works. Yesterday’s union proposal did contain some concessions that should appeal to ownership, but the MLBPA has steadfastly insisted that the prorated salaries which they feel were agreed upon back in March remain in place. That and the 89-game length of the proposal remain too costly in the eyes of ownership.
Nightengale suggests that Manfred will implement a season length of around 50 games if an agreement isn’t in place by next week. Of course, we’ve seen both sides negotiate through the media with a series of strategically leaked bluffs and half-truths, so it’s anyone’s guess whether ownership actually plans to wield that hammer or if this, paired with Manfred’s strong comments, is yet another leverage play. Remember, after all, that the league sent a counter-proposal to the MLBPA on Monday — just days after putting out the message that no counter was coming.
Regardless, it’s true that the clock is ticking for some kind of decision to be made. Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic wrote this morning that the time for “best and final” offers from both parties is nigh. Separately, Rosenthal suggests that the league should propose a 72-game season with prorated salaries and several of the new elements put forth by the union yesterday (e.g. two years of expanded 16-team playoffs, increased instances of players being mic’d up during broadcasts, an offseason All-Star Game/Home Run Derby this winter, etc.). To this point, neither side has made a proposal that has even moved the needle for the other.Comment -
#1869Disagree.
Major League Baseball (MLB), with its 30 teams, generated around 9.9 billion U.S. dollars in total revenue in the 2018 season, almost twice the revenue generated ten years ago, when total revenue was at 5.82 billion U.S. dollars. On average, each team generated almost 330 million U.S. dollars in revenue in 2018.Comment -
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#1871So no baseball this year?Comment -
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#1873The commisioner guaranteed there will be baseball played this season but whether he follows through on that guarantee remains to be seen. Personally, I think they play even if its a reduced season. They understand that there needs to be a season this year so I think they reach an agreement. Maybe I'm just trying to remain optimistic but I actually do think they will play at some point this year even though they probably won't start until mid to late July if they do start this year.Comment -
#1874Owners make an insane amount of money every year, even if they paid the players what the players asked for the owners would be posting their only yearly loss and the amount they will have made over a five year period including the loss would still be huge.Comment -
#1875Today in Baseball History
This happened a day earlier but missed it yesterday....
June 11, 1938: Johnny Vander Meer of the Cincinnati Reds tossed a no-hitter against the Boston Bees. The Bees were the worst-hitting team in the National League, but it was still pretty impressive, as Vander Meer gave up only four hard-hit balls, one of which was a liner hit by Vince DiMaggio that ricocheted off of Vander Meer’s glove to third baseman Lew Riggs, who threw DiMaggio out. No hitters are really cool, but I don’t note the fact simply because he tossed a no-no. I note it because four days later he tossed another no-hitter, this time against the more formidable Dodgers lineup in Brooklyn. Eighty-two years later and Vander Meer remains the only pitcher to toss back-to-back no hitters.Comment -
#1876Hey JR,
What do you think about the Giants drafting another catcher with their top pick? my first thought was another one? Why?Comment -
#1877On this date, June 11, 2019, exactly one year ago to the day, Hunter Pence of the Texas Rangers hit one of the craziest inside the park home runs at Fenway Park.
Pence hit a fly ball to right field by the Pesky pole where the Red Sox outfielder Brock Holt got hung up on the fence attempting to catch it.
"Wow, that's the easiest inside the park home run I've ever seen, he could have scored twice"
Great call.
Here, check it out.
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Here's the thing in a pro baseball if you have talent your shelf life is a decade plus unlike the NFL running back whose shelf life is maybe four years if lucky.
A talented baseball player if he stays healthy can make tens of millions of dollars.
If the player is smart he would insure himself for the length of his mega contract in case of a career ending injury.
This is pretty much what the player needs to worry about.
Staying healthy, putting in the work in spring training and during the course of the season, and staying away from drug and other scandals.
That's about it, he doesn't have to worry about much more.
The owner on the other hand has mind numbing responsibilities.
Like making payroll for not just the players, but the front office, and pretty much anybody associated with the assistance of running the club, the stadium, etc. etc.
The owner wears many hats, for instance he's the CEO of the club.
Not only does the owner have to worry about the payroll that I mentioned he has to worry about taxes too.
So he has to wear the CFO hat as well as the CEO hat.
I can go on and on here but you get my point.
The owner has more worries than the player, and the player also has it easier.
Not all owners are 'evil'.
Some owners in the smaller markets are under some ridiculous budget constraints it's not funny.
I know it's hard to feel sorry for guys like Mark Cuban in the NBA or Jim Dolan in the NBA for instance but in this day and age of the spoiled brat multi millionaire players my support for the first time in my life has swung to the owners side.Comment -
#1880Alex Cora talking about the cheating scandal. Saying it wasn't a 2 man show.Comment -
#1881Here's the thing in a pro baseball if you have talent your shelf life is a decade plus unlike the NFL running back whose shelf life is maybe four years if lucky.
A talented baseball player if he stays healthy can make tens of millions of dollars.
If the player is smart he would insure himself for the length of his mega contract in case of a career ending injury.
This is pretty much what the player needs to worry about.
Staying healthy, putting in the work in spring training and during the course of the season, and staying away from drug and other scandals.
That's about it, he doesn't have to worry about much more.
The owner on the other hand has mind numbing responsibilities.
Like making payroll for not just the players, but the front office, and pretty much anybody associated with the assistance of running the club, the stadium, etc. etc.
The owner wears many hats, for instance he's the CEO of the club.
Not only does the owner have to worry about the payroll that I mentioned he has to worry about taxes too.
So he has to wear the CFO hat as well as the CEO hat.
I can go on and on here but you get my point.
The owner has more worries than the player, and the player also has it easier.
Not all owners are 'evil'.
Some owners in the smaller markets are under some ridiculous budget constraints it's not funny.
I know it's hard to feel sorry for guys like Mark Cuban in the NBA or Jim Dolan in the NBA for instance but in this day and age of the spoiled brat multi millionaire players my support for the first time in my life has swung to the owners side.
the owner of most clubs, basically has to give his front office a $ amount for the budgets of various areas of spending, including payroll and the FO handles the rest.Comment -
#1882The thing is everyone can see what the players are making to play a game we all played growing up. They are paid very well and should be for the talent they have. Now on the other side we as fans don't get to see what the owners of teams make year to year when things are good. They never open their books and make it public knowledge. Owners definitely not hurting off of one year of having no fans. Shit they pay bout 80 cents a beer and charge close to 10$. No chance I feel bad for ownersComment -
#1883I think the owner has the GM, Asst GM, President of baseball operations, COO ect, (there are tons of titles in various front offices )that manage all those decisions.
the owner of most clubs, basically has to give his front office a $ amount for the budgets of various areas of spending, including payroll and the FO handles the rest.Comment -
#1884Can’t even remember who was World Series favorite this year, Dodgers?Comment -
#1885I think they took the best player available approach with their picks this year. Hopefully it works out but I think they figure they can move people around and they need to be prepared for that day when Posey retires or can no longer get it done as a Catcher.Comment -
#1886MLB didn’t just provide the MLBPA a new economic proposal today. It also filed some fighting words in the letter delivering its latest offer for a coronavirus-shortened campaign, as Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic report (subscription link).
Deputy MLB commissioner Dan Halem suggested the union has not acted in good faith in negotiations, hinting at the league’s possible stance if and when this matter ends up before an arbitrator. By Halem’s framing, labor is taking an obstructionist stance as the league provides what it labels a “final counterproposal” for a 72-game season.
That the sides are now exchanging angry letters, even as the clock ticks on squeezing in games, is to an extent merely confirmation of that underlying state of affairs. But there’s also a nod to a serious escalation lurking just beneath the surface. Halem hints less than subtly at a possible effort by the league to disrupt the sides’ late March agreement, claiming the union has “purposely failed to fulfill its obligations” and “deprived the Clubs the benefit of their bargain” in the contract.
No doubt the league already anticipated the likely outcome when it sent this shot across the bow. The union is expected to decline, and do so before the league’s appointed Sunday deadline, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter).
While the overall MLB salary offer has morphed in kind and crept up in value, the league’s bargaining posture remains the same as ever. The same holds true on the players’ side, where full pro rata pay has long been seen as a sine qua non.
The league begins from the premise that it can force a greatly truncated season with the players receiving pro rata pay for a third or less of a normal slate of games. Anything more? That’s gravy for the players, so they should be glad to get a marginal return for additional games played, particularly since the league is willing to dangle some added payment for an expanded postseason slate (should that prove possible). Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt laid this out rather forthrightly in his eyebrow-raising recent interview.
The players come from quite the opposite direction. By their view, the sides’ late-March agreement provided for pro rata pay for any games played. While that deal also contemplated the sides “discuss[ing] in good economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators,” the players don’t believe that disrupts the salary clause.
Given those radically different viewpoints, it’s not hard to see why this dispute seems to be so intractable. Indeed, Halem now asserts in the letter that the players have no initial right to pay in the first place. While many are playing under guaranteed contracts, Halem notes that the league could have suspended them upon the declaration of a national emergency. Of course, Manfred didn’t take that course. The late March agreement reportedly requires the commissioner to exercise good-faith efforts to stage as many games as possible, as Baseball America’s JJ Cooper notes on Twitter. And a players’ association source tells Rosenthal and Drellich that the league’s own attorneys acknowledged in letter correspondence that “players are not required to accept less than their full prorated salary.”
As we’ve pointed out here previously, it’s completely absurd that the sides remain entrenched in a disagreement over an agreement they signed in late March — one that was intended to deal with the COVID-19 shutdown. Perhaps that’s the best way to understand the acrimony and distrust: the sides evidently never really saw eye to eye even as they signed that agreement.Comment -
#188740/40 club 1988?
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#1890APRIL 23 – 2 HR STORIES YOU COULDN’T MAKE UP
APRIL 23, 1952 | NEW YORK, NEW YORK – The first one took place in New York on this date in 1952. A relief pitcher by the name of Hoyt Wilhelm – you probably heard of him, a knuckleballer who became one of the best relief pitchers in baseball history, he’s in the Hall of Fame – hit a home run in his first major league at-bat.
He never hit another one in his 21-year major league career. This was before the designated hitter. How does that happen?
There is a logical explanation. Wilhelm was a middle relief pitcher. He played in over 1,000 games, but seldom was seen with a bat in his hand. In 1968, for example, he appeared in 72 games for the White Sox. He had 3 at-bats the entire year. Struck out each time.
What Wilhelm was known for was pitching. He won 143 games as a starter, saved 227 games as a reliever, mostly with the Sox and New York Giants. He finished with a career ERA of 2.52. Seven different seasons he had ERAs under 2.00
APRIL 23, 1999 | LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA – Also on April 23rd, but in 1999, Fernando Tatis hit two grand slams – IN ONE INNING! Needless to say, a record.
It turned out to be a breakout year for Tatis. He hit 34 home runs and drove in 107. Tatis never came close to those numbers again, but there’s a good chance his two slams in one inning record will never be broken.
What are the chances someone will hit three grand slams in one inning?Comment
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