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  • BigSpoon
    SBR MVP
    • 11-04-10
    • 4113

    #1926
    Originally posted by EmpireMaker
    As if the already convoluted 2020 season bargaining situation needed further complication, another potential curveball was spun this evening. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, tells Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times that playing baseball in the month of October may pose unwarranted risks.
    Here’s the specific phrasing attributed to Fauci, who is one of the most visible authorities on the coronavirus: “If the question is time, I would try to keep it in the core summer months and end it not with the way we play the World Series, until the end of October when it’s cold. I would avoid that.”
    Fauci emphasized that he wasn’t able to offer any certainties, saying that “this virus is one that keeps fooling us.” There’s obviously still quite a lot of science to be done on COVID-19.
    But he made clear that he believes it likely the pandemic will worsen as the weather gets chillier. “Under most circumstances — but we don’t know for sure here — viruses do better when the weather starts to get colder and people start spending more time inside, as opposed to outside,” Fauci explains. “The community has a greater chance of getting infected.” There’d be added concern, he said, because of the potential “overlap between influenza and the possibility of a fall second [coronavirus] wave.”
    This makes for an especially intriguing development given the ongoing grappling between the league and union over how long the 2020 season ought to extend. MLB has cited the very same concerns as Fauci now highlights in arguing against attempting play deep into the fall. But even its proposals have been premised on a typical October postseason. The player side hasn’t insisted on playing into November and beyond, telling the league of late that it’s ready to play “when and where” commissioner Rob Manfred orders. But the MLBPA position has generally been to offer up as much play as MLB wants to arrange (with full pro rata salary).
    While Fauci’s viewpoints don’t represent specific constraints on the staging of ballgames, they’re sure to factor into the fraught public relations battle between ownership and labor. He has generally been supportive of resuming play, at least without fans in attendance, and has made clear he’s a big baseball fan who would love to see a 2020 campaign. It’s notable, too, that several key baseball states — Arizona, Texas, Florida, California — have already begun to exhibit worrying rises in COVID cases even at the outset of summer.
    Damn, COVID gonna penetrate up NFL and NCAA football for us too.
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    • koz-man
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 11-21-08
      • 7102

      #1927
      Originally posted by Cross
      Yeah, Bonds should be in there as well.
      And the Rocket as well...

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      • stevenash
        Moderator
        • 01-17-11
        • 65149

        #1928
        Originally posted by batt33
        I remember Mike Krukaw talking about " greenies" being readily available before the steroid area..especially on double header days.....
        This is true, Jim Bounton brought greenies to light in his great book Ball Four.
        Greenies were taken by US Soldiers during WWII also.
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        • stevenash
          Moderator
          • 01-17-11
          • 65149

          #1929
          On this date June 17 2000, exactly 20 years ago, the National Champion Nebraska Corn-husker former punter notched his 100th base hit in just 61 games for the Angels.
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          • JMobile
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-21-10
            • 19070

            #1930
            McGwire's 70th HR ball plummets in value after selling for $3M
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            • Stallion
              SBR MVP
              • 03-21-10
              • 3617

              #1931
              MLB should let the players use steroids when it comes back.
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              • jrgum3
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-21-17
                • 7005

                #1932
                I really hope the talk of there being a 2020 baseball season isn't just talk. I'll take 60 games or whatever they decide at this point as I'm sure a lot of baseball fans will.
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                • EmpireMaker
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-18-09
                  • 15561

                  #1933
                  Major League Baseball and the MLBPA seem to be progressing toward an agreement on a 2020 season, but there are still obstacles to overcome. The length of a potential campaign continues to serve as a stumbling block, according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, who writes that “the mood soured by nightfall with the union seeking a longer schedule.”
                  There was more hope for peace earlier Wednesday when commissioner Rob Manfred, after a meeting with union chief Tony Clark, said the two sides had “a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement.” However, the union remains dissatisfied with the league’s proposed 60-game regular season that would take place over 70 days if it were to end Sept. 27, even though the players would earn 100 percent of their prorated salaries and, per Joel Sherman of the New York Post, a 25 percent playoff pool.
                  The union offered an 89-game season in its most recent proposal, so there does still seem to be a lot of ground to make up. Indeed, the players at least want something closer to 70 games, Nightengale writes, though MLB doesn’t want to risk the playoffs extending beyond October because of COVID-19 fears. Notably, Dr. Anthony Fauci warned against late-October baseball on Tuesday. So, along with season length, health and safety measures are surely at the front of the minds of owners and players. Expectations are that they’ll pick up discussions again Thursday in hopes of reaching an agreement by the weekend, Nightengale reports.
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                  • stevenash
                    Moderator
                    • 01-17-11
                    • 65149

                    #1934
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                    • koz-man
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-21-08
                      • 7102

                      #1935
                      Sounds promising....Lets Play Ball
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                      • Stallion
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-21-10
                        • 3617

                        #1936
                        Everyday that goes by with no deal means less chance of a season.
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                        • batt33
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 12-23-16
                          • 5963

                          #1937
                          Originally posted by Stallion
                          Everyday that goes by with no deal means less chance of a season.
                          Yeah unfortunately I think you are correct
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                          • batt33
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-23-16
                            • 5963

                            #1938
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                            • BigSpoon
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-04-10
                              • 4113

                              #1939
                              Both sides to blame for screwing up what would have been a perfect time to return during July 4th weekend.
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                              • JMobile
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-21-10
                                • 19070

                                #1940
                                MLB is looking at 70 game season.
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65149

                                  #1941
                                  Originally posted by JMobile
                                  MLB is looking at 70 game season.
                                  Yep
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                                  • Cross
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 04-15-11
                                    • 5777

                                    #1942
                                    Nobody playing ball, don’t get your hopes up.
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                                    • deadphish
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 09-24-11
                                      • 2587

                                      #1943
                                      Originally posted by Cross
                                      Nobody playing ball, don’t get your hopes up.
                                      too much greed...
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                                      • jrgum3
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-21-17
                                        • 7005

                                        #1944
                                        Originally posted by BigSpoon
                                        Both sides to blame for screwing up what would have been a perfect time to return during July 4th weekend.
                                        Definitely a lot of blame to go around but I side with the players here. They want to return to work but the owners are drawing this out longer in hopes that they don't have to lose too much money due to too many games without fans. Hopefully they work things out because you guys are right the longer this goes on without a deal the more likely there is no season in 2020.
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                                        • EmpireMaker
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 06-18-09
                                          • 15561

                                          #1945
                                          2:10pm: The MLBPA has issued the following statement:
                                          We delivered to Major League Baseball today a counterproposal based on a 70-game season, which among a number of issues, includes expanded playoffs for both 2020 and 2021. We believe this offer represents the basis for an agreement on resumption of play.
                                          Notably, Clark looks to be throwing Manfred’s exact wording — “the basis for an agreement” — back at the league. The subtext, of course, is that the 60-game framework was viewed no more an agreement by the union than this 70-game proposal will be viewed as such by ownership.
                                          1:35pm: The union’s proposal would see the regular season run July 19 through Sept. 30, Passan tweets. It also includes $50MM in playoff revenue, a share of postseason TV revenue in 2021, the aforementioned forgiveness of the salary advance for the league’s lower-compensated players, a universal DH (presumably in 2020-21) and both sides waiving the right to a grievance.
                                          The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal tweets that the union also proposed a neutral site framework for the postseason, if needed. They also agreed to advertising patches on uniforms over the next two seasons.
                                          1:20pm: SNY’s Andy Martino reports that there’s frustration among some owners that they’re receiving a counter to what they didn’t believe was a proposal (Twitter thread). Ownership believed a deal/framework was in place at 60 games earlier in the week. Martino adds that Manfred had to “really twist” the arm of some owners to get to that 60-game mark, so it seems a straightforward “meet in the middle,” 65-game concept isn’t popular among ownership.
                                          The MLBPA, however, saw the 60-game prorated framework as a proposal — not an agreement. Of note, even commissioner Rob Manfred himself said this week that his meeting with union chief Tony Clark produced a “a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement.” That quote in and of itself falls short of indicating that an agreement was firmly reached.
                                          1:00pm: The Major League Baseball Players Association has finalized yet another counter-proposal for the league, according to Jeff Passan and Jesse Rogers of ESPN.com (Twitter thread). The union’s latest proposal is for 70 games and includes a “split of playoff revenues,” per Passan and Rogers. The league will likely make another counter before any terms are agreed upon.
                                          Earlier this week, ownership proposed a 60-game season with prorated salaries, while the MLBPA reportedly continued to hold out hope for a longer season. The MLBPA’s last formal proposal to the league called for 89 games, so this latest proposal marks a notable drop from that point. Other factors have begun to surface in the back-and-forth, such as a universal DH in 2020 and 2021, expanded 16-team playoffs in each of the next two seasons, a joint fund for social justice initiatives and the partial forgiveness of the $170MM advance that was already paid out to players as a compromise to receive service time in the event of a canceled season.
                                          It seems as though talks are reaching their apex, although that sense has existed at various points in the past. We’re already well past the June 10 target date for a relaunched training camp, and the once-hoped-for July 4 start date is clearly out of the question at this juncture. But the two sides still remain hopeful that a mid-July start date can be realized, with expanded postseason play running through late October. A middle ground in the mid-60s seems like it should be plausible at this point, although it’s best to temper any expectations for straightforward compromise between these two parties at this point.
                                          As ESPN’s Buster Olney observes on Twitter, though, the difference between a 60-game and 70-game season checks in at roughly $245-250MM in total revenue — or $8.33MM per team. When we’ve reached the point where the gap between the two sides is comparable to what multiple individual free agents were promised this winter (think Stephen Strasburg, Anthony Rendon or, on a larger scale, Gerrit Cole) — it seems things should be able to come together quickly. Still, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that there’s little indication a resolution will be reached “quickly.” Still, it’s nearly unfathomable to think that the two sides could be as few as 10 games apart in their proposals and not eventually strike some kind of agreement.
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                                          • stevenash
                                            Moderator
                                            • 01-17-11
                                            • 65149

                                            #1946
                                            On this date June 19 2000, exactly one year ago, Max Scherzer of your World Series Champion Washington Nationals pitched seven scoreless innings the day after he broke his nose after fouling a pitch off during bunting practice.

                                            The Nats won 2-0

                                            Mad Max said in an interview after the game to reporters "Trust me fellas, this looks worse than it feels"

                                            Max is a bad ass.

                                            If Max doesn't waltz into the Hall when it's time that would be a felony.
                                            His career numbers to date are phenomenal.
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                                            • Otters27
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 07-14-07
                                              • 30749

                                              #1947
                                              Loved betting on Scherzer in his prime
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                                              • jrgum3
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 07-21-17
                                                • 7005

                                                #1948
                                                Japanese baseball league starts today. I'm actually interested in this because Adam Jones is playing for the Orix Buffaloes. I always wound up with this guy on my fantasy teams somehow because he was so consistent in the Show. He should rake in this league so I want to tune in just to see how he does tonight.
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                                                • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 03-11-11
                                                  • 29212

                                                  #1949
                                                  Originally posted by Otters27
                                                  Loved betting on Scherzer in his prime
                                                  When did his prime end?
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                                                  • Chi_archie
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-22-08
                                                    • 63165

                                                    #1950
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                    On this date June 19 2000, exactly one year ago, Max Scherzer of your World Series Champion Washington Nationals pitched seven scoreless innings the day after he broke his nose after fouling a pitch off during bunting practice.

                                                    The Nats won 2-0

                                                    Mad Max said in an interview after the game to reporters "Trust me fellas, this looks worse than it feels"

                                                    Max is a bad ass.

                                                    If Max doesn't waltz into the Hall when it's time that would be a felony.
                                                    His career numbers to date are phenomenal.

                                                    crazy
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                                                    • BigSpoon
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-04-10
                                                      • 4113

                                                      #1951
                                                      Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                      When did his prime end?
                                                      Yeah, Max is still elite.
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                                                      • Stallion
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-21-10
                                                        • 3617

                                                        #1952
                                                        I have heard Monday is an important day to get a deal done.
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                                                        • stevenash
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • 01-17-11
                                                          • 65149

                                                          #1953
                                                          Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                          When did his prime end?
                                                          It hasn't
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                                                          • stevenash
                                                            Moderator
                                                            • 01-17-11
                                                            • 65149

                                                            #1954
                                                            Originally posted by Stallion
                                                            I have heard Monday is an important day to get a deal done.
                                                            It'll get done, than both sides will go back to being assholes at the end of this year.
                                                            Usually, not always greed wins out in the end as both sides want to get paid and neither side will get paid until they play games.
                                                            Even greedy juveniles on both sides, MLPA and the owners are smart enough to know this.
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                                                            • BigSpoon
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-04-10
                                                              • 4113

                                                              #1955
                                                              Blue Jays and Phillies close down spring facilities. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...onavirus-tests
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                                                              • JMobile
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 08-21-10
                                                                • 19070

                                                                #1956
                                                                Originally posted by BigSpoon
                                                                Blue Jays and Phillies close down spring facilities. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...onavirus-tests
                                                                And the Giants...
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                                                                • batt33
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 12-23-16
                                                                  • 5963

                                                                  #1957
                                                                  Sounds like the Giants were getting to leave AZ anyway with the uptick in cases..
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                                                                  • Cross
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 04-15-11
                                                                    • 5777

                                                                    #1958
                                                                    Max def still in his prime, crazy eyez!
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                                                                    • jrgum3
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 07-21-17
                                                                      • 7005

                                                                      #1959
                                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                      It'll get done, than both sides will go back to being assholes at the end of this year.
                                                                      Usually, not always greed wins out in the end as both sides want to get paid and neither side will get paid until they play games.
                                                                      Even greedy juveniles on both sides, MLPA and the owners are smart enough to know this.
                                                                      Yeah they're both looking bad here but hopefully they come to their senses and we get a deal done shortly. I haven't given up hope yet even though its looking bleaker every day there's no deal in place.
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                                                                      • EmpireMaker
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 06-18-09
                                                                        • 15561

                                                                        #1960
                                                                        6:36pm: An MLBPA announcement confirms the news. Per the release, the league informed the union that it will not schedule a season of over sixty games.
                                                                        6:30pm: MLB has informed the MLB Players Association that it will not make a new proposal to the union in an effort to resolve the sides’ disagreement over the financial structure of the 2020 season, per Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic (via Twitter).
                                                                        Just what that means for the potential resumption of play remains to be seen. One might think that commissioner Rob Manfred will simply declare a season length at full pro rata pay — the option that the league has long held in its back pocket, but which brings with it the potential for an open-ended grievance action.
                                                                        Last we had heard, the league preferred not to take this step. Whether there may be an alternative means of resolving the matter is not immediately clear. Per the report, the league will consider its options over the weekend, which is perhaps yet another indication that the league believes it is well served by allowing time to trickle away.
                                                                        This latest development comes on the heels of today’s run of worrisome indications that the coronavirus has already made inroads into MLB facilities even before the league has undertaken a resumption effort in earnest. Those reports reflect truly concerning developments. They also play into the hands of the owners that have evidently decided to take a hard line on the 2020 season.
                                                                        It seemed just days ago that we were finally headed toward resolution on an attempted restart of the MLB campaign. Now, there’s as much uncertainty as ever — greater, perhaps, given the urgent need to launch a season in the immediate future if one is to take place at all.
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