NFL Player News - Week of 3/9/20

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-09-20, 08:38 AM

Olsen was a nice pickup for Seattle.

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-09-20, 08:08 PM

Dak Prescott is not worth half of what he’s going to get

**LT Profits** · 03-10-20, 06:40 AM

Tuesday Update

Buccaneers | Jameis Winston showcasing rehab online
Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Jameis Winston (knee) is rehabbing from an offseason knee injury. He has been showcasing his rehab process on social media, as the Buccaneers, and potentially other NFL teams, keep a close eye on the videos.
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Jameis Winston player page

49ers | No discussion with Emmanuel Sanders
San Francisco 49ers pending free-agent WR Emmanuel Sanders said Monday, March 9, that he has yet to engage in contract talks with the team, which suggests the team might let him test the free-agent waters.
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Emmanuel Sanders player page

Titans | Ryan Tannehill has talked with TEN
Tennessee Titans impending free-agent QB Ryan Tannehill has talked with the Titans about a new contract.

Footballguys view: The Titans could always use the franchise tag on Tannehill if they don't get something done but we feel they don't want to do that. They also have to get something done with free agent running back Derrick Henry. We'll see if they can get both deals done before the start of the new league year next week.

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Ryan Tannehill player page

NFL | More positive news for Tua Tagovailoa
Alabama QB Tua Tagovailoa (hip) underwent four-month scans on his surgically repaired hip Monday March 9, and received positive reviews on his recovery, according to sources.

Footballguys view: This follows the news about his recovery being on time coming from the Scouting Combine last month. Tagavailoa is going to be a top-5 pick in the 2020 NFL draft. The Dolphins seem like his most likely landing spot and they may even move up to get him if they have to.

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Dolphins | Preston Williams to be ready for camp?
Miami Dolphins WR Preston Williams (knee) said he will be ready for the start of the regular season, but the team hopes he will be able to participate in training camp.

Footballguys view: We'll see how Williams progresses through the offseason. We could see him being limited in training camp as the team prepares him for the regular season opener.

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Preston Williams player page

Cowboys | Dallas increases offer to Dak Prescott
Impending free-agent QB Dak Prescott (Cowboys) reportedly received a new contract offer from the Dallas Cowboys on Monday, March 9. In the opinion of ESPN's Todd Archer, the new proposal is expected to be in the neighborhood of $33.5 million per season.

Footballguys view: That's a deal that most thought he would take. It sounds like the two sides are close and we could see a deal for Prescott before the start of the new league year next week. If they don't get something done, expect Prescott to be slapped with the franchise tag.

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Dak Prescott player page

Source: footballguys.com

**Otters27** · 03-10-20, 07:21 AM

NFL going to sign any of these XFL guys

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-10-20, 08:23 AM

49ers should resign Sanders, he is a heck of a player.

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-10-20, 05:48 PM

Ryan Tannehill is kerry collins reincarnated for the titans

**LT Profits** · 03-11-20, 07:01 AM

Wednesday Update

Saints | Alvin Kamara back at full health
New Orleans Saints RB Alvin Kamara (leg) pronounced himself completely healthy Tuesday, March 10, after suggesting his leg was about '75 percent' last season.
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Alvin Kamara player page

Titans | Tennessee focused on Ryan Tannehill?
Tennessee Titans impending free-agent QB Ryan Tannehill is the focus of the team heading toward free agency, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network Tuesday, March 10. The team would like to sign him to a long-term contract.
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Ryan Tannehill player page

Chiefs | Patrick Mahomes in no rush for deal
Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes 'isn't going to do a deal early just because the Chiefs want to,' Albert Breer of MMQB was told recently. Mahomes is likely to wait until the new CBA is finalized before signing any sort of contract extension.
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Patrick Mahomes II player page

Jets | Robby Anderson, Jets both want long-term deal
New York Jets WR Robby Anderson said Tuesday, March 10, he and the team have a mutual interest in striking a long-term deal.
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Robby Anderson player page

Ravens | Robert Griffin III on trade block
Baltimore Ravens QB Robert Griffin III is being discussed in trade talks. Griffin is due a non-guaranteed $2 million next season.
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Robert Griffin III player page

Texans | Ka'imi Fairbairn re-ups with Texans
Houston Texans PK Ka'imi Fairbairn signed a four-year contract with the Houston Texans Tuesday, March 10. Financial terms weren't disclosed.
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Ka'imi Fairbairn player page

Panthers | Kyle Allen re-signs with CAR
Carolina Panthers exclusive rights free-agent QB Kyle Allen agreed to a one-year, $585,000 contract Tuesday, March 10.
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Texans | Darren Fells extended
Houston Texans TE Darren Fells agreed to a two-year, $7 million extension Tuesday, March 10. He'll earn $4 million in 2020.
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Darren Fells player page

Source: footballguys.com

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-11-20, 08:04 AM

4 year deal for a kicker? They tend to go stale once they have a few bad weeks. 4 years is a bit heavy.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-11-20, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by cjwatsonfan32

4 year deal for a kicker? They tend to go stale once they have a few bad weeks. 4 years is a bit heavy.

He missed a lot of kicks last year as well.

**LT Profits** · 03-11-20, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by cjwatsonfan32

4 year deal for a kicker? They tend to go stale once they have a few bad weeks. 4 years is a bit heavy.

Well, unlike other sports, at least most NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-12-20, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Well, unlike other sports, at least most NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

I mean I get that but 4 years is still a lot of years and there would still be dead cap space if he got cut. Not much, I would think but, kickers are expendable.

**LT Profits** · 03-12-20, 08:46 AM

Thursday Update

Giants | NY Giants holding on to Elijhaa Penny
Restricted free-agent RB Elijhaa Penny (Giants) agreed to a two-year contract extension with the New York Giants on Wednesday, March 11. Financial terms of the deal were not immediately disclosed.
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Elijhaa Penny player page

Texans | DeAndre Carter contract update
Updating a previous report, Houston Texans WR DeAndre Carter signed a one-year contract extension with the Texans Wednesday, March 11. Financial terms were not disclosed.
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Packers | Jimmy Graham to be released
Green Bay Packers TE Jimmy Graham will be released Thursday, March 12, according to a source.
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Jimmy Graham player page

Dolphins | RB coach spends time with Jonathan Taylor
Wisconsin RB Jonathan Taylor had a meeting with Miami Dolphins running backs coach Eric Studesville Tuesday, March 10, and is working with Studesville at his Pro Day Wednesday, March 11, according to a source.
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Vikings | Britton Colquitt expects to return
Minnesota Vikings impending free-agent P Britton Colquitt said he expects to re-sign with the Vikings this offseason.
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Buccaneers | Tampa to make strong push for Tom Brady Wed Mar 11, 04:32 PM
New England Patriots impending free-agent QB Tom Brady will receive strong interest from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this offseason, and the team is believed to be willing to do almost anything to sign Brady.
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Tom Brady player page

Texans | Carlos Hyde rejects Houston's offer
Houston Texans impending free-agent RB Carlos Hyde has rejected a contract offer from the Texans and will test the free-agent market, according to sources.
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Carlos Hyde player page

Broncos | DEN unlikely to target Robby Anderson
New York Jets impending free-agent WR Robby Anderson is not expected to receive much interest from the Denver Broncos this offseason, according to sources.
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Robby Anderson player page

Broncos | Denver to pursue Amari Cooper?
Dallas Cowboys impending free-agent WR Amari Cooper could receive interest from the Denver Broncos if he hits the free-agent market, in the opinion of Denver7's Troy Renck.
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Amari Cooper player page

Source: footballguys.com

**LT Profits** · 03-13-20, 08:35 AM

Friday Update

Panthers | Carolina eyeing Robby Anderson?
New York Jets impending free-agent WR Robby Anderson could be a target for the Carolina Panthers, according to Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com.
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Robby Anderson player page

Cowboys | Dallas tenders Cooper Rush
Dallas Cowboys restricted free-agent QB Cooper Rush was tendered Thursday, March 12.
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Cooper Rush player page

Texans | Lamar Miller finished in Houston?
Houston Texans impending free-agent RB Lamar Miller (knee) isn't expected to receive an offer from the Texans during his free agency, according to sources.
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Lamar Miller player page

Chargers | Hunter Henry sticking around?
Los Angeles Chargers impending free-agent TE Hunter Henry's new contract is a top priority this offseason, according to general manager Tom Telesco. 'We'll figure out all the finances, the cap and the performance, however it fits,' Telesco said. 'He's a draft pick of ours. As you know, our philosophy is to re-sign our own when we can.'
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Hunter Henry player page

NFL | Nigel Kilby impresses at pro day
Southern Illinois TE Nigel Kilby posted a time of 4.66 seconds in the 40-yard dash at Northwestern's pro day Tuesday, March 10.
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NFL | Lee Morris draws eyes at pro day
Oklahoma WR Lee Morris posted a time of 4.57 seconds in the 40-yard dash at Oklahoma's pro day Wednesday, March 11.
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Bills | Tyler Kroft reworks contract
Buffalo Bills TE Tyler Kroft agreed to a restructured contract Thursday, March 12, that can see him make $4 million in 2020 with $3.4 million guaranteed.

Footballguys view: The new deal eliminates the final year of his old contract and he will become a free agent in 2021. Kroft will push Dawson Knox for snaps at the tight end position.

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Tyler Kroft player page

Seahawks | Seattle meeting with Jordan Reed
Free-agent TE Jordan Reed (Redskins) is meeting with the Seattle Seahawks Thursday, March 12, according to a source.

Footballguys view: The Seahawks already added Greg Olsen this offseason but are looking for more help at the tight end position. Reed is talented as a receiver but he's hurt often and is not a player you can count on to play a full season. His price tag should be affordable but the chances he misses more time due to injury are high.

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Jordan Reed player page

Bengals | Auden Tate cleared
Cincinnati Bengals WR Auden Tate (knee) has been cleared to resume all football-related activities, according to a source.

Footballguys view: Good news for the young receiver here. Tate will be competing for snaps behind Tyler Boyd and A.J. Green in 2020...provided the Bengals keep Green in free agency.

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Auden Tate player page

Packers | Jimmy Graham officially released
Green Bay Packers TE Jimmy Graham was officially released Thursday, March 12.

Footballguys view: Graham is no longer the player he used to be and didn't do much in his two seasons with the Packers. That being said, some team should be interested in him for veteran depth.

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Jimmy Graham player page

Buccaneers | Tampa unlikely to pursue David Johnson
Arizona Cardinals RB David Johnson likely will not be a target for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers if he is placed on the trade block by the Cardinals.

Footballguys view: The Bucs need help at the running back position but Johnson is expensive and not the player he once was. There is some thought the Cardinals could trade away Johnson but with his big contract ($16 million remaining in dead money), they'd likely have to throw something else in just to move the veteran back.

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David Johnson player page

Titans | Dion Lewis released
Tennessee Titans RB Dion Lewis was released Thursday, March 12.

Footballguys view: The move was expected by the Titans. This saves them $4 million against the cap, and it's money they'll gladly move over to free agent Derrick Henry. Lewis is a good receiving back and should have plenty of suitors on the open market.

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Dion Lewis player page

Source: footballguys.com

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-13-20, 05:21 PM

Looks like henry got the franchise tag..according to espn

**jrgum3** · 03-14-20, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

49ers should resign Sanders, he is a heck of a player.

I hope they bring him back too. He sets a good example for the younger guys and he's still got something left.

**LT Profits** · 03-14-20, 08:12 AM

Saturday Update

Bengals | Tyler Eifert finished in Cincy?
Cincinnati Bengals impending free-agent TE Tyler Eifert said he would like to continue his career in Cincinnati, but Ben Baby of ESPN.com believes Eifert will receiver a bigger offer on the open market.
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Tyler Eifert player page

NFL | Two teams met with Joshua Kelley
UCLA RB Joshua Kelley said he had formal meetings with the Dallas Cowboys and Los Angeles Rams at the 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
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NFL | Jalen Hurts boosting stock
Oklahoma QB Jalen Hurts went from being a fourth-round prospect in the 2020 NFL Draft to a likely second-round pick with his performance in drills and team interviews at the NFL Scouting Combine, according to league sources.
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Texans | Houston was scheduled to meet with Jalen Hurts
Oklahoma QB Jalen Hurts was scheduled to meet with the Houston Texans leading up to the 2020 NFL Draft, but the meeting has been cancelled.
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Texans | Jordan Taylor's workout postponed
Free-agent WR Jordan Taylor (Vikings) was scheduled to work out for the Houston Texans, but the workout has been postponed, according to sources.
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Jordan Taylor player page

Dolphins | Miami meeting with Jordan Love
Utah State QB Jordan Love is scheduled to meet with the Miami Dolphins Friday, March 13.
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Titans | Tennessee releases Ryan Succop
Tennessee Titans PK Ryan Succop was released Friday, March 13.
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Ryan Succop player page

Titans | Delanie Walker released
Tennessee Titans TE Delanie Walker on Friday, March 13, was released.
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Delanie Walker player page

Chargers | Hunter Henry receives tag
Los Angeles Chargers TE Hunter Henry on Friday, March 13, received the franchise tag.

Footballguys view: Henry is now the highest-paid tight end in the league. The franchise tag will guarantee him a one-year deal worth around $11 million. The Chargers now have until July 15th to work out a new contract. Henry, when healthy, is one of the best tight ends in the league and will be a big part of the Chargers passing game (no matter who is the quarterback) in 2020.

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Hunter Henry player page

Dolphins | J.K. Dobbins visits Dolphins
Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins is visiting the Miami Dolphins Friday, March 13.

Footballguys view: Dobbins could be a first-round pick in the 2020 NFL draft. The Dolphins have three first-round selections and could be looking to add an all-purpose back like Dobbins with their No.18 or No.26 overall pick.

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Source: footballguys.com

**Otters27** · 03-14-20, 09:57 AM

Hopefully some of these XFL guys caught the NFL eyes while they had the chance

**Getch13** · 03-14-20, 10:23 AM

The Rich could get Richer.

Caveat Emptor: NFL Players Should Think Twice About Signing On The Dotted Line Of This CBA

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonlpritchettandedtiryakian/2020/03/13/caveat-emptornfl-players-should-think-twice-about-signing-on-the-dotted-line-of-this-cba/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_content=3198043425&utm_campaign=sprinklrSportsMoneyTwitter#86d803051f2b

The proposed collective bargaining agreement is finally in the hands of some 2,000 players, who have until Saturday at 11:59 p.m. Eastern to vote on a deal that would govern the NFL and ensure labor peace until March 2031.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-14-20, 10:36 AM

After holding out for the start of last season, what will Melvin gordon's next contract look like? My guess is WAY less than the Chargers were willing to pay him. Guy was getting some awful advice.

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-14-20, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

After holding out for the start of last season, what will Melvin gordon's next contract look like? My guess is WAY less than the Chargers were willing to pay him. Guy was getting some awful advice.

I’d just get Jonathan Taylor. I bet you won’t even notice a difference.

**LT Profits** · 03-15-20, 08:36 AM

Sunday Update

Dolphins | Miami in the mix for Melvin Gordon?
Los Angeles Chargers impending free-agent RB Melvin Gordon is expected to receive interest from the Miami Dolphins, according to sources, and Gordon would have interest in joining Miami 'at the right price.'
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Melvin Gordon III player page

Buccaneers | Breshad Perriman too risky for Bucs?
Tampa Bay Buccaneers impending free-agent WR Breshad Perriman is too big of a risk to commit 'significant money' to moving forward, in the opinion of Jon Ledyard of PewterReport.com, and Ledyard believes Perriman will sign elsewhere while the Buccaneers will address the receiver position in the 2020 NFL Draft.
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Breshad Perriman player page

NFL | One more chance for Corey Coleman?
Free-agent WR Corey Coleman (Giants) will likely be given another opportunity to make an NFL roster, according to an NFC personnel scout. 'I would be very surprised if he doesn't get that opportunity,' the scout said. 'But, he is running out of time. This might be the last chance.'
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Corey Coleman player page

Falcons | Keith Smith sticking around
Atlanta Falcons FB Keith Smith signed a three-year contract extension Saturday, Match 14. Financial terms weren't disclosed.
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Keith Smith player page

Bengals | Cincy taking Andy Dalton offers
The Cincinnati Bengals are listening to trade offers for QB Andy Dalton, according to a source Saturday, March 14.
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Andy Dalton player page

Bills | Jason Croom re-signed
The Buffalo Bills re-signed TE Jason Croom to a one-year deal Saturday, March 14. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
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Ravens | De'Anthony Thomas re-signed
The Baltimore Ravens re-signed WR De'Anthony Thomas to a one-year contract Saturday, March 14. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
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De'Anthony Thomas player page

Source: footballguys.com

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-15-20, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by cjwatsonfan32

I’d just get Jonathan Taylor. I bet you won’t even notice a difference.

Agreed. I'd rather just draft a RB in the draft than pay someone $5-$10 million/year. Lots of good RBs in this year's draft and RB is the easiest position to fill it seems.

**mr. leisure** · 03-15-20, 10:31 AM

NFL players vote to approve CBA, 17-game season and expanded playoffs on horizon

The NFL players approve the new CBA, giving league a decade of labor peace

The National Football League will have 10 years of labor peace.
The players voted to approve the proposed CBA Saturday night. The new CBA will take effect starting in 2021 and will run until 2030. A simple majority of the players need to vote "yes" for the proposed deal to go through. The final vote was 1,019 to 959, the NFLPA released in a statement. There are roughly 2,500 players in the players union, so an estimated 79.1% of the players voted on the CBA.
Under the proposed CBA, the NFL will increase the season to 17 games (from 16) and the addition of an extra team to the playoffs in each conference. The 14-team playoff would have the top seed earning a first-round bye while seeds No. 2 through No. 7 would play on Wild-Card Weekend. The expanded playoff is expected to begin in 2020. The salary cap will be $198.2 million per club for 2020.
The active game day roster will expand from 46 to 48 players as practice squads will expand from 10 to 12 players in 2020. That number will increase to 14 players starting in 2022 (including between two and four players with unlimited accrued seasons per team). Also starting in 2021, the annual player revenue will increase from 47 to a minimum of 48% which can go as high to 48.8% with a "media kicker" from the new television deal.

"This result comes after a long and democratic process in accordance with our constitution," the NFLPA released in a statement. "An independent author received submitted ballots through a secure electronic platform, then verified, tallied and certified the results."
With the approval of the CBA, only one tag can be used this offseason, instead of teams having the option to use the franchise and transition tag. Higher minimum salaries will also take affect this season. THE NFLPA would have to sign off on delaying the start of the league year, which is scheduled for March 18.
"We are pleased that the players have voted to ratify the new CBA," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "Which will provide substantial benefits to all current and retired players, increase jobs, ensure continued progress on player safety, and give our fans more and better football. We appreciate the tireless efforts of the Management Council Executive Committee and the NFLPA leadership, both of whom devoted nearly a year to detailed, good faith negotiations to reach this comprehensive, transformative agreement."

**DwightShrute** · 03-15-20, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by mr. leisure

NFL players vote to approve CBA, 17-game season and expanded playoffs on horizon

The NFL players approve the new CBA, giving league a decade of labor peace

The National Football League will have 10 years of labor peace.
The players voted to approve the proposed CBA Saturday night. The new CBA will take effect starting in 2021 and will run until 2030. A simple majority of the players need to vote "yes" for the proposed deal to go through. The final vote was 1,019 to 959, the NFLPA released in a statement. There are roughly 2,500 players in the players union, so an estimated 79.1% of the players voted on the CBA.
Under the proposed CBA, the NFL will increase the season to 17 games (from 16) and the addition of an extra team to the playoffs in each conference. The 14-team playoff would have the top seed earning a first-round bye while seeds No. 2 through No. 7 would play on Wild-Card Weekend. The expanded playoff is expected to begin in 2020. The salary cap will be $198.2 million per club for 2020.
The active game day roster will expand from 46 to 48 players as practice squads will expand from 10 to 12 players in 2020. That number will increase to 14 players starting in 2022 (including between two and four players with unlimited accrued seasons per team). Also starting in 2021, the annual player revenue will increase from 47 to a minimum of 48% which can go as high to 48.8% with a "media kicker" from the new television deal.

"This result comes after a long and democratic process in accordance with our constitution," the NFLPA released in a statement. "An independent author received submitted ballots through a secure electronic platform, then verified, tallied and certified the results."
With the approval of the CBA, only one tag can be used this offseason, instead of teams having the option to use the franchise and transition tag. Higher minimum salaries will also take affect this season. THE NFLPA would have to sign off on delaying the start of the league year, which is scheduled for March 18.
"We are pleased that the players have voted to ratify the new CBA," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "Which will provide substantial benefits to all current and retired players, increase jobs, ensure continued progress on player safety, and give our fans more and better football. We appreciate the tireless efforts of the Management Council Executive Committee and the NFLPA leadership, both of whom devoted nearly a year to detailed, good faith negotiations to reach this comprehensive, transformative agreement."

good news for the sports world for a change

**Plaza23** · 03-15-20, 10:52 AM

I like the 17 game regular season, and 1 extra playoff team. Plus, only letting the top seed get a bye, instead of the top 2, is also good. 6 playoff games on Wild Card weekend will be fun.

**Otters27** · 03-15-20, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Plaza23

I like the 17 game regular season, and 1 extra playoff team. Plus, only letting the top seed get a bye, instead of the top 2, is also good. 6 playoff games on Wild Card weekend will be fun.

Preseason how many games

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-15-20, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Otters27

Preseason how many games

They’d drop to 3 I believe

**BigdaddyQH** · 03-15-20, 03:16 PM

The NFC and AFC will alternate playing 9 home games per year. The conference that plays 9 home games gets 1 home preseason game, while the other conference gets 2 preseason home games and 8 regular season home games. A maximum of 10 and minimum of 4 overseas games will be scheduled and the conference that has 9 home games will be the home team for all of those.

**LT Profits** · 03-15-20, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

The NFC and AFC will alternate playing 9 home games per year. The conference that plays 9 home games gets 1 home preseason game, while the other conference gets 2 preseason home games and 8 regular season home games. A maximum of 10 and minimum of 4 overseas games will be scheduled and the conference that has 9 home games will be the home team for all of those.

So the Jaguars will no longer have home London games every year.

**DwightShrute** · 03-15-20, 06:08 PM

finally

**Otters27** · 03-15-20, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by cjwatsonfan32

They’d drop to 3 I believe

Effects fringe guys only

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-16-20, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Plaza23

I like the 17 game regular season, and 1 extra playoff team. Plus, only letting the top seed get a bye, instead of the top 2, is also good. 6 playoff games on Wild Card weekend will be fun.

I like it as well.

**cjwatsonfan32** · 03-16-20, 11:30 AM

I hate the titans so I love this Tannehill hysteria my friends are griping about. What an absolutely terrible waste of money hahahaha

**Plaza23** · 03-16-20, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

finally

If only they adopted this rule when Ricky Williams was playing. Guess it can still help Josh Gordon