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  • keithb
    SBR Rookie
    • 12-09-08
    • 5

    #1
    baseball data
    I know there are a lot of sources of baseball data, but I am curious to know which you find most useful. I am thinking of using sportsinsights data for historical line information and retrosheets for historical game information. Retrosheets might be too comprehensive so I might opt for something simpler.

    Any thoughts on sources for historical baseball data?

    KB
  • Data
    SBR MVP
    • 11-27-07
    • 2236

    #2
    You can get historical lines from Covers for free. Their data is not always accurate but the price is right.

    I myself am looking for game logs with weather data in them.

    Has anybody seen Weather Data? The lost relative of mine whom I have never seen... Please be kind and help me find her!
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    • Pancho sanza
      SBR Sharp
      • 10-18-07
      • 386

      #3
      how far back do covers lines go? totals too?
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      • LT Profits
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-27-06
        • 90963

        #4
        Originally posted by Pancho sanza
        how far back do covers lines go? totals too?
        Back to 1999.

        Yes to totals.
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        • Data
          SBR MVP
          • 11-27-07
          • 2236

          #5
          I forgot who posted this a while ago to give the credit to but here are the MLB lines and game results from Covers, 4/4/99 - 7/19/2008.

          Please post the missing recent lines. Thanks.
          Attached Files
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          • MonkeyF0cker
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 06-12-07
            • 12144

            #6
            What if I said I had weather and pitch by pitch data, including pitch locations for the past 4 years?
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            • newbee
              SBR Rookie
              • 12-05-08
              • 30

              #7
              I am curious if anyone used SBR data (though only two years worth), but they seem to have line history as well as RL/ML/Tot, rather than just Tot/ML?
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              • newbee
                SBR Rookie
                • 12-05-08
                • 30

                #8
                Also... Data... do you know the link to Covers free historical data? As far as I see covers only lists data from 2006?
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                • Data
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-27-07
                  • 2236

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                  What if I said I had weather and pitch by pitch data, including pitch locations for the past 4 years?
                  I would say "cool, where did you get this from?"
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                  • Data
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-27-07
                    • 2236

                    #10
                    Originally posted by newbee
                    Also... Data... do you know the link to Covers free historical data? As far as I see covers only lists data from 2006?
                    covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/mlb/teams/pastresults/1999/team2959.html
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                    • Data
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-27-07
                      • 2236

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Data
                      I myself am looking for game logs with weather data in them.
                      Come on guys, this is the last call to get the credit, there is very little actual value in raw data anyway. Some of you must have it. If nobody posts this I am going to scrap it from baseball-reference and post it here anyway. I am kind of busy and just looking for a little time saver. Thanks.
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                      • heyman
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 03-16-09
                        • 178

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Data
                        Come on guys, this is the last call to get the credit, there is very little actual value in raw data anyway. Some of you must have it. If nobody posts this I am going to scrap it from baseball-reference and post it here anyway. I am kind of busy and just looking for a little time saver. Thanks.
                        Retrosheet has it all. It's BB-Ref's source.
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                        • Data
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-27-07
                          • 2236

                          #13
                          Perhaps I am going blind but looking at their fields descriptions I just do not see any weather related fields.
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                          • heyman
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 03-16-09
                            • 178

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Data
                            Perhaps I am going blind but looking at their fields descriptions I just do not see any weather related fields.


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                            • Data
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-27-07
                              • 2236

                              #15
                              Originally posted by heyman
                              Got it, thanks!
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                              • heyman
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 03-16-09
                                • 178

                                #16
                                No problem.
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                                • Formulawiz
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-12-09
                                  • 1589

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Data
                                  You can get historical lines from Covers for free. Their data is not always accurate but the price is right.

                                  I myself am looking for game logs with weather data in them.

                                  Has anybody seen Weather Data? The lost relative of mine whom I have never seen... Please be kind and help me find her!
                                  I totally agree with DATA, Covers is probably the best source of information around and its free.
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                                  • Wrecktangle
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-01-09
                                    • 1524

                                    #18
                                    What I don't get is: folks spending a lot of time building models, and then feeding 'em crap data (oh, only a few errors).

                                    One year, I found a number of errors in the NFL Gamebooks that had significant relevance to my picks as it totally changed 3 of them. One of the errors was a 100 yd dif in the total rushing yards of a team.
                                    Last edited by Wrecktangle; 04-19-09, 09:51 AM. Reason: grammer & spellos
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                                    • 20Four7
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 04-08-07
                                      • 6703

                                      #19
                                      LOL, I keep my own data and usually compare with some of the sports magazines etc during the season. I sometimes make mistakes, sometimes newspapers make mistakes.... but keeping data takes time and the data I want takes a lot to keep track off....
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                                      • Wrecktangle
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-01-09
                                        • 1524

                                        #20
                                        24-7: Yep, that's what I'm talking about. I keep wanting to put together a group of folks who are interested in only checking their dbs against each other. Save a lot of time.
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                                        • Jobe2004
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 04-13-09
                                          • 101

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Data
                                          I forgot who posted this a while ago to give the credit to but here are the MLB lines and game results from Covers, 4/4/99 - 7/19/2008.

                                          Please post the missing recent lines. Thanks.
                                          Data, do you know if anyone finished that 2008 season from the Covers spreasheet?
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                                          • Data
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-27-07
                                            • 2236

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Jobe2004
                                            Data, do you know if anyone finished that 2008 season from the Covers spreasheet?
                                            I bet there are couple of dozen posters here who have last season lines. No one seem to care to contribute. Note, this type of data has little to none value.
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                                            • MonkeyF0cker
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 06-12-07
                                              • 12144

                                              #23
                                              Give me a couple of weeks. I'm in the process of a significant change to my database and MLB model right now. What book(s)? Closing numbers?
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                                              • Jobe2004
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 04-13-09
                                                • 101

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                Give me a couple of weeks. I'm in the process of a significant change to my database and MLB model right now. What book(s)? Closing numbers?
                                                Monkey, I am backtracking through the last 5 seasons to see how certain bets would turn out depending on the criteria. I have been using the Covers spreadhseets provided above. I am not sure what lines the Covers data uses. Does anyone know?

                                                I just need the scores and the ML to the games (again I'm using the Covers ML, but don't know where they got them from).
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                                                • LT Profits
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 10-27-06
                                                  • 90963

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Jobe2004
                                                  Monkey, I am backtracking through the last 5 seasons to see how certain bets would turn out depending on the criteria. I have been using the Covers spreadhseets provided above. I am not sure what lines the Covers data uses. Does anyone know?

                                                  I just need the scores and the ML to the games (again I'm using the Covers ML, but don't know where they got them from).
                                                  Pinnacle closings.
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                                                  • Jobe2004
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 04-13-09
                                                    • 101

                                                    #26
                                                    Thanks LT. Wasn't Sure. Would you see any problem/discrepancy with using closing lines as opposed to opening lines?
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                                                    • LT Profits
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-27-06
                                                      • 90963

                                                      #27
                                                      Well of course there will be discrepancies, but I guess it won't matter as long as you are consistent and your Pinny openers are accurate.
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                                                      • jboz
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 07-01-09
                                                        • 3

                                                        #28
                                                        help need website for lines back to 1999 thanks
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                                                        • LT Profits
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-27-06
                                                          • 90963

                                                          #29
                                                          Covers does go back to 1999 for Baseball
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