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  • JBEX
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    • 01-02-12
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    #1
    thoro-graph 12/26 -31
    all products are free for account holders so going to solely use them for all handicapping decisions..have used them a lot over the years and think I have a pretty good feel and understanding of them.gulf and opening day santa anita on weds..may do some live play..see what happens..these plays will not be graded
  • Easy-Rider 66
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    #2
    GL JBEX. May jump in with some t-graph plays if you are playing live. See how we both interprete the data.
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    • JBEX
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      #3
      Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
      GL JBEX. May jump in with some t-graph plays if you are playing live. See how we both interprete the data.
      absolutely.. may do at least one live on weds.. I'll post weds morning whether I'm going to play gulfstream live
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      • Getch13
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        • 07-13-18
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        #4
        Looking forward to the plays, often wondered about this product,

        Thanks for sharing
        Merry Christmas
        Getch
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        • JBEX
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          #5
          Originally posted by Getch13
          Looking forward to the plays, often wondered about this product,

          Thanks for sharing
          Merry Christmas
          Getch
          same to you getch..they're prohibitively expensive at about $25 a track..basically 4 columns on a page each representing a year of the horse's career..the number factors (in addition to what regular speed figures do) ground loss and weight carried ).the lower the number the better the performance..idea is not only to find who ran the best last race but who may be leading up to a good effort based on his pattern of figures..lots of good trainer and pedigree info..also there own mechanical pattern recognition stats appear on each sheet ..they also have a tool that attempts to predict what the positioning might look like at the first call..that's a quick summary of what they are
          Last edited by JBEX; 12-24-18, 09:33 PM.
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          • Getch13
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            • 07-13-18
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            #6
            Originally posted by JBEX
            same to you getch..they're prohibitively expensive at about $25 a track..basically 4 columns on a page each representing a year of the horse's career..the number factors (in addition to what regular speed figures do) ground loss and weight carried ).the lower the number the better the performance..idea is not only to find who ran the best last race but who may be leading up to a good effort based on his pattern of figures..lots of good trainer and pedigree info..also there own mechanical pattern recognition stats appear on each sheet ..they also have a tool that attempts to predict what the positioning might look like at the first call..that's a quick summary of what they are
            My thinking was their trying to predicted the horses form cycle in hopes of finding when the horse might be piking
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            • JBEX
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              #7
              Originally posted by Getch13
              My thinking was their trying to predicted the horses form cycle in hopes of finding when the horse might be piking
              yes and deciding if that will be enough to be competitive in the race
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              • JBEX
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                • 01-02-12
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                #8
                easy..going to do santa anita live tomorrow and skip gulfstream..try to put up my picks at least 5 mtp and if you want to go back n forth about a race that's fine..know i've done it before but find capping a whole card in advance with the sheets a bit tedious
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                • Easy-Rider 66
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                  #9
                  OK. Yeah will be looking over SA with Bris and Sheets. Probably post some plays here as well. GL.
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                  • JBEX
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                    #10
                    santa anita.. opening day


                    looking now.. will try and post at least 5 mtp but a lot sooner if possible.. I will be on the 1st race


                    R1 #1 fritz johansen
                    R2 #3 naughty sophie
                    Last edited by JBEX; 12-26-18, 02:51 PM.
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                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by JBEX
                      santa anita.. opening day


                      looking now.. will try and post at least 5 mtp but a lot sooner if possible.. I will be on the 1st race
                      OK will look and post as well.

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                      • JBEX
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                        OK will look and post as well.


                        .

                        easy.. posted R1

                        whole card will be in post 10 and will post when I put them up
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                        • Easy-Rider 66
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JBEX
                          .

                          easy.. posted R1

                          whole card will be in post 10 and will post when I put them up
                          Got Brown analysis. He likes the #1 race 1. GL,

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                          • JBEX
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                            Got Brown analysis. He likes the #1 race 1. GL,






                            outside of the last poor effort at gg looks good in here.. has the numbers and has improved nicely off the long layoff.. I'm just using the sheets and my own analysis
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                            • Easy-Rider 66
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                              #15
                              With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7
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                              • Easy-Rider 66
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7
                                gave it up rather easily
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                                • JBEX
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                  gave it up rather easily

                                  yeah mine a dead piece also
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                                  • Easy-Rider 66
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                    With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7
                                    6 was scratched not the 5
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                                    • JBEX
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                                      #19
                                      posted R2

                                      like favorite #3.. currently even money.. toss last 2 turf races and sprints 3-6 back are ridiculously faster than these.. not a big drop either.. should trounce this field
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                                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JBEX
                                        posted R2

                                        like favorite #3.. currently even money.. toss last 2 turf races and sprints 3-6 back are ridiculously faster than these.. not a big drop either.. should trounce this field
                                        Yeah good point. But a lot of speed per BRIS signed up. Have a feeling the 3/4/5/6/7 are going to go. Playing the #1 Amers who looks a tad slow on the sheets but closed into Moderate pace last out. Also the #5 Chatty with the blinks on and a competitive number on sheets at first asking. GL.
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                                        • JBEX
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                          Yeah good point. But a lot of speed per BRIS signed up. Have a feeling the 3/4/5/6/7 are going to go. Playing the #1 Amers who looks a tad slow on the sheets but closed into Moderate pace last out. Also the #5 Chatty with the blinks on and a competitive number on sheets at first asking. GL.
                                          according to their pace projection he's the speed of the speed.. we'll see
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                                          • Easy-Rider 66
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                            according to their pace projection he's the speed of the speed.. we'll see
                                            Agreed
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                                            • JBEX
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                                              #23
                                              good call on the 1..stalking the lone pace setter worse place to be and the 7 did figure to be close.. three 5's when most of the field can't run single digits ...just shows how pace can affect things
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                                              • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                good call on the 1..stalking the lone pace setter worse place to be and the 7 did figure to be close.. three 5's when most of the field can't run single digits ...just shows how pace can affect things
                                                Yeah thx. Just got up by a nose. Brown liked the #4
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                                                • JBEX
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                  Yeah thx. Just got up by a nose. Brown liked the #4

                                                  the 9 and 10 he ran two and three back clear 2nd best sprint numbers.. clear value but have to see these things beforehand (me)
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                                                  • JBEX
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                                                    #26
                                                    R3 #4 rinse and repeat
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                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                                      R3 #4 rinse and repeat
                                                      Like him as well. Going with the #6 Shane Zain. Shades back on, recent bullet blistering work, cut back, drops. Looks a bit slow on numbers but giving him a spin. Box with the #4
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                                                      • JBEX
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                                                        #28
                                                        try and beat the horse with the consistent best numbers (aka obvious) he wins easy at 9-5 ..no regrets
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                                                        • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JBEX
                                                          try and beat the horse with the consistent best numbers (aka obvious) he wins easy at 9-5 ..no regrets
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                                                          • JBEX
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                                                            #30
                                                            R4

                                                            #6 xs gold.. turf numbers last and 3 back work here
                                                            #8 love and peace.. euro #s competitive.. prat
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                                                            • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                              #31
                                                              Going with a shot here the #4 Stradella rd. Like the progression on figures, Box with the favs 1/3
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                                                              • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                                Going with a shot here the #4 Stradella rd. Like the progression on figures, Box with the favs 1/3
                                                                3rd at 50/1
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                                                                • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  SA R5: #1 One bad Boy and the #9 Scalper. 2 FTS. Hope for the best
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                                                                  • JBEX
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    R5

                                                                    #11 big scott daddy

                                                                    way he's bet

                                                                    was going to go #10 but cold on the board
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                                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                      R5

                                                                      #11 big scott daddy

                                                                      way he's bet

                                                                      was going to go #10 but cold on the board
                                                                      8/1 score good call
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