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  • Capybara
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    • 08-17-08
    • 11803

    #176
    Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
    Light card, and it looks like the EWU game is my only play today, so I thought I'd write just a little about methodology.

    Yesterday was an excellent example of a losing day that I can't get upset about. As I've said before, pace of play is the single biggest aspect of playing totals for me. I am pretty confident in my ability to predict the pace of games in terms of possessions per game. If I can get that part of the game right, it's usually not too hard to pick and over/under based on points per possession. But last night shows how easily points per possession can vary. Let's look at each game...

    St Bonnie's/URI - This was the game where I missed the pace by a little. I had 70+ possessions and it ended with 68. If they had gotten to 71 possessions like I thought, the over would have hit based on the points per possession throughout the game. This is loss is on my failure to correctly predict pace.

    Toledo/Detroit - This one I actually overestimated the possessions. I had 76 and it ended with 75. The problem here is that both teams exceeded their average points per possession by about 10%. This kind of loss doesn't bother me very much because of the high variance in efficiency. That said, I could have weighed defensive efficiency (or inefficiency in this case) a little more.

    URI/Bama - I didn't post a possession estimate for this one, but the game went way over my number of possessions. It finished with 77 possessions. At even a modest 1 point per possession this game would have sailed over. Unfortunately, both teams were at least 10% below their season efficiency numbers. Like the Detroit game, this one doesn't bother me as much.

    Just a few thoughts as we move forward. With two losing days in a row, I think it's always a good idea to take a step back and evaluate what is working and what isn't.
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    • Capybara
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 08-17-08
      • 11803

      #177
      Just razzing you, buddy! You know this.

      In actuality, I love that post.

      However, I must continue to razz you, Professor.

      Now let's go, Eagles and Dons!!
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      • HeeluvaGuy
        SBR MVP
        • 02-15-14
        • 3449

        #178
        Originally posted by Capybara
        Just razzing you, buddy! You know this.

        In actuality, I love that post.

        However, I must continue to razz you, Professor.

        Now let's go, Eagles and Dons!!
        I wouldn't have it any other way man. I can't control the inner nerd.
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        • 2daBank
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-26-09
          • 88966

          #179
          We need eastern Washington to help us with the freaking scoring. Don't like game being a blowout one bit, kinda ensures us getting very little out of last 3-4 minutes.
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          • HeeluvaGuy
            SBR MVP
            • 02-15-14
            • 3449

            #180
            Originally posted by 2daBank
            We need eastern Washington to help us with the freaking scoring. Don't like game being a blowout one bit, kinda ensures us getting very little out of last 3-4 minutes.
            Every time I say this I regret it, but they can't shoot worse. 25%?!?
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            • 2daBank
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-26-09
              • 88966

              #181
              Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
              Every time I say this I regret it, but they can't shoot worse. 25%?!?
              Lol. I know the feeling., maybe San Fran will play like terps punk asses and continue bombing away and pushing tempo with 20 point lead to beat my under in that game by 2, lol..
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              • 2daBank
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 01-26-09
                • 88966

                #182
                Holy crap, we have had 6 missed FTs in last minute. Unreal.
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                • 2daBank
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 01-26-09
                  • 88966

                  #183
                  Cash it!
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                  • HeeluvaGuy
                    SBR MVP
                    • 02-15-14
                    • 3449

                    #184
                    1-0. Never a doubt, right? Quick glance at the box score says 74 or 75 possessions. FTs were the difference as neither team shot well. In all, 44 points came from the line. Nice to have a few "outs" in games like this.

                    Thread: 29-25 (+3.19u)
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                    • 2daBank
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 01-26-09
                      • 88966

                      #185
                      Helped out eastern Washington made a game of it, watching play by play it appeared they started playing the foul game with like 2+ minutes to go! Lol., for a minute it was working cause sf kept freaking missing, as you can see I was fixing to blow my lid!! Lol.,
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                      • HeeluvaGuy
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-15-14
                        • 3449

                        #186
                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                        Helped out eastern Washington made a game of it, watching play by play it appeared they started playing the foul game with like 2+ minutes to go! Lol., for a minute it was working cause sf kept freaking missing, as you can see I was fixing to blow my lid!! Lol.,
                        They were intentionally fouling USF's 50% FT shooter every time he touched it. He was in for defense on Bliznuk. Those refs were whistle happy all game, which got us into the bonus very early in the second half.

                        FYI, you can get live game feeds for most teams now by going to their team website and the schedule. I'd say 80% of the plays I post are available for free or through ESPN, Fox, CBSSN, etc.
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                        • 2daBank
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                          • 01-26-09
                          • 88966

                          #187
                          Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                          They were intentionally fouling USF's 50% FT shooter every time he touched it. He was in for defense on Bliznuk. Those refs were whistle happy all game, which got us into the bonus very early in the second half.

                          FYI, you can get live game feeds for most teams now by going to their team website and the schedule. I'd say 80% of the plays I post are available for free or through ESPN, Fox, CBSSN, etc.
                          Ah,, he was missing a lot of them at 1st but looked to finally settle in and nail a few!
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                          • HeeluvaGuy
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-15-14
                            • 3449

                            #188
                            Passing on Friday. BOL with your plays!
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                            • Fabiodog
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                              • 03-17-13
                              • 319

                              #189
                              Thanks for all your work
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                              • Louisvillekid1
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 10-17-07
                                • 52143

                                #190
                                Enjoy the off day
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                                • HeeluvaGuy
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-15-14
                                  • 3449

                                  #191
                                  A little bored today so I went back and looked at last year's thread. At this point in the season we were 13-12 (+.31u). So we're ahead on higher volume. Finished the season (including tourneys) at 113-92 (+12.75u). Here's the thread: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ps-thread.html
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                                  • Capybara
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 08-17-08
                                    • 11803

                                    #192
                                    Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                    A little bored today so I went back and looked at last year's thread. At this point in the season we were 13-12 (+.31u). So we're ahead on higher volume. Finished the season (including tourneys) at 113-92 (+12.75u). Here's the thread: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ps-thread.html
                                    Looking for +25 to +30 units this year, bro. You can do it!
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                                    • CappinTerp
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 11-26-09
                                      • 9650

                                      #193
                                      Best of luck HG!!
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                                      • HeeluvaGuy
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-15-14
                                        • 3449

                                        #194
                                        Gonna be working through games most of the day Saturday. Here's what I have so far:

                                        12:00 William & Mary +14.5

                                        12:00 Coastal Carolina/South Carolina u144.5
                                        I get 70 possessions here. Points should be hard to find for Coastal, and South Carolina’s offense hasn’t been great.

                                        2:00 Montana/Georgia St o132
                                        I put this game close to 70 possessions, compared to kenpom’s 66. These aren’t great offenses, but at that pace 133+ is very doable. Love the high foul rate for both defenses, do wish they shot FTs better though.
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                                        • HeeluvaGuy
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-15-14
                                          • 3449

                                          #195
                                          2:00 Valpo/Ball St u156
                                          I have this one five possessions slower (72) than kenpom (77). At 72 I get a game played in the mid 140s, so there should be some cushion here. Foul rates concern me a little. Every model I have looked at has this 150 and below.
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                                          • HeeluvaGuy
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-15-14
                                            • 3449

                                            #196
                                            2:00 Yale/St Bonaventure o140.5
                                            I'm right around 73 possessions for this one. At that pace I get a game in the high 140s. The Bonnies let us down a bit a few nights ago, but I think this game will be a little faster paced than that one.
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                                            • doubledime
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                                              • 04-22-09
                                              • 9751

                                              #197
                                              Good luck today
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                                              • HeeluvaGuy
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 02-15-14
                                                • 3449

                                                #198
                                                Originally posted by doubledime
                                                Good luck today
                                                Thanks DD. You too!
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                                                • HeeluvaGuy
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 02-15-14
                                                  • 3449

                                                  #199
                                                  Rough betting start to an otherwise great Saturday. Still working through games:

                                                  4:00 Wichita St/Oklahoma St o145.5
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                                                  • HeeluvaGuy
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-15-14
                                                    • 3449

                                                    #200
                                                    4:00 Murray St/Illinois St o143
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                                                    • dwatersalec
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                                                      • 01-08-10
                                                      • 372

                                                      #201
                                                      Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                      2:00 Yale/St Bonaventure o140.5
                                                      I'm right around 73 possessions for this one. At that pace I get a game in the high 140s. The Bonnies let us down a bit a few nights ago, but I think this game will be a little faster paced than that one.
                                                      Never in doubt, huh?
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                                                      • HeeluvaGuy
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 02-15-14
                                                        • 3449

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by dwatersalec
                                                        Never in doubt, huh?
                                                        I'm sure we could go back and find at least one like that that has gone against us.
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                                                        • dwatersalec
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                                                          • 01-08-10
                                                          • 372

                                                          #203
                                                          Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                          I'm sure we could go back and find at least one like that that has gone against us.
                                                          For sure. Just happy he drove to the basket instead of settling for the 3. Thanks for the W.
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                                                          • HeeluvaGuy
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 02-15-14
                                                            • 3449

                                                            #204
                                                            6:00 Wyoming -8
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                                                            • HeeluvaGuy
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-15-14
                                                              • 3449

                                                              #205
                                                              This might be the last one:

                                                              9:00 Green Bay/Missouri o143
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                                                              • jeffchitown
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-21-16
                                                                • 1849

                                                                #206
                                                                I’ll tail both of those
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                                                                • HeeluvaGuy
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 02-15-14
                                                                  • 3449

                                                                  #207
                                                                  6-3 day after an ominous 0-2 start. Hope to find some more tomorrow.

                                                                  Thread: 35-28 (+5.89u)

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                                                                  • HeeluvaGuy
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 02-15-14
                                                                    • 3449

                                                                    #208
                                                                    For Sunday:

                                                                    2:00 Eastern Washington/South Dakota o148.5
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                                                                    • 2daBank
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-26-09
                                                                      • 88966

                                                                      #209
                                                                      Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                                      6-3 day after an ominous 0-2 start. Hope to find some more tomorrow.

                                                                      Thread: 35-28 (+5.89u)

                                                                      Nice job as always bro!! Havnt even started adding my day up but after crappy middle section of day I've counted bout 5-6 in a row I've rattled off
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                                                                      • HeeluvaGuy
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 02-15-14
                                                                        • 3449

                                                                        #210
                                                                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                                        Nice job as always bro!! Havnt even started adding my day up but after crappy middle section of day I've counted bout 5-6 in a row I've rattled off
                                                                        Thanks. 9 is a lot of plays in a day for me, so I was a little worried with the slow start. Glad more worked out than didn't.
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