NCAA Tourney Snubs

**onlooker** · 03-13-06, 01:44 AM

Here is a list:

TEAM ........... RECORD . RPI

Michigan ....... 18-10 .. 47
Florida State .. 19-9 ... 63
Cincinnati ..... 19-12 .. 40
Maryland ....... 19-12 .. 49
Hofstra ........ 24-6 ... 30
Missouri State . 20-8 ... 21
Creighton ...... 19-9 ... 39

I cant believe that Air Force got in, because I felt that the MWC should only get one team in. If they did get a second, the team I thought would make it in was BYU, not Air Force.

**imgv94** · 03-13-06, 01:47 AM

How did George Mason make it and not Hofstra? Hofstra beat George Mason
twice in a row? That is sick! Disgusting!! Thanks for that list onlooker.

Hofstra stands out to me. How did Air Force make it?

**Illusion** · 03-13-06, 01:49 AM

Cincinnati and Missouri State should be in. Missouri State had a 21 rpi, it makes no sense.

**imgv94** · 03-13-06, 01:51 AM

Illusion hofstra had a 31 rpi? They deserve to be there also.

**bigboydan** · 03-13-06, 02:09 AM

Missouri State is the one that really suprised me. there RPI raking, along with that tough conference schedual, and they get snubbed. i don't usualy really question tourney selcections that much, but this snubbing was a true travisty.

**dave11486** · 03-13-06, 03:40 AM

This is probably the worst bracket i have seen. The SEC getting 6 teams is pretty ridiculous.

**gorox** · 03-13-06, 06:07 AM

umm, airforce has 0, as in ZERO wins vs RPI top 50. biggest non conference win is Miami and we already know our weak their conference was. (2 losses to 7th place wyoming as well.

My personal theory is that Air Force is in the tournament because its a branch of this country's military. really.

**gorox** · 03-13-06, 06:07 AM

there is no way, you could compare cincinnatti and air force, side by side, and say air force takes it. none.

**clonecat** · 03-13-06, 09:40 AM

Andy Katz was told the reason Air Force got in because they were the 2nd Best team in the 8th best RPI conference. The reason Utah State is in is because they watched the Nevada game and dubbed Utah State a "tournament team".

**Willie Bee** · 03-13-06, 09:49 AM

Now that I've had a night to sleep on it and think about it, Cincy-Hofstra-Mo State are probably the three that have the biggest reasons to pitch a fit. I could see both Air Force and Texas A&M (who I was very surprised to see get a 12-seed) removed and two of those other three picked. I had both the Aggies and Falcons on my bubble list, and even though I am an Aggie and have always rooted for the service academies, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit if neither A&M nor AF made it.

**isetcap** · 03-13-06, 11:47 AM

Michigan and Cincinatti and Maryland were essentially identical in both their record and the fact that they were terrible down the stretch. Teams that are on the bubble and have a bad record in their last 10 games rarely make the tournament. Florida State beat nobody other than Duke twice (only one counted but the other was at Cameron so it was necessary for the officials to help out) and everybody knows that Duke contests are only important when Duke wins. Hofstra and Missouri State should be in over Air Force and Utah State respectively. The Committee did manage to open their eyes for a bit and recognize that the SEC was at least as good as the overblown Big 10 which is another reason why Michigan got snubbed and Alabama got in.

**imgv94** · 03-13-06, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

Now that I've had a night to sleep on it and think about it, Cincy-Hofstra-Mo State are probably the three that have the biggest reasons to pitch a fit. I could see both Air Force and Texas A&M (who I was very surprised to see get a 12-seed) removed and two of those other three picked. I had both the Aggies and Falcons on my bubble list, and even though I am an Aggie and have always rooted for the service academies, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit if neither A&M nor AF made it.

Willie Bee, Texas A&M are going to beat Syracuse
on Thursday.

**Razz** · 03-14-06, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by dave11486

This is probably the worst bracket i have seen. The SEC getting 6 teams is pretty ridiculous.

Which one doesn't belong?

**imgv94** · 03-14-06, 12:38 AM

Razz I am shocked that your not in love with Texas A&M! I can't get over
that. I mean you say its 50/50. Give me a 50.1/49.9 for me ?

**Razz** · 03-14-06, 12:43 AM

I just think the donkeys that have Syracuse might actually get this one right. Texas A&M is a good, but not great team, but they are bad away from home, and that is one of the key factors in neutral court games. The main reason I am staying away is that Syracuse has all the experience (19 years since A&M was in the tournament), and they are playing very well.
A&M is playing well also, but Syracuse is a difficult team to prepare for, and I don't see either team winning this game more than 55 times out of 100. With that said, either team could win by 10.
To be honest, I thought this line would be around 3.5, and I would have taken A&M at that price, but getting 1 point just doesn't do it for me.

**imgv94** · 03-14-06, 12:45 AM

The fact that it's a 5 vs 12 made me think the spread would be a little
higher. But I think the line movement is looking like A&M are going to win
my brother.

**isetcap** · 03-14-06, 12:47 AM

50/50 is pretty strong for a team you're going to get serious value on. I'm thinking I can get +110 or better on this game and you know 50/50 normally costs you -110.

Think about it this way...you have TAILS in the coin flip and the coin has a normal HEAD on it but has a Jessica Alba TAIL!

**dave11486** · 03-14-06, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Razz

Which one doesn't belong?

Let me rephrase that, it is a shame that 6 SEC teams got in. Zero of them will be Elite, and maybe a few will be in the Sweet 16. And, that is the truth.

**isetcap** · 03-14-06, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by dave11486

Let me rephrase that, it is a shame that 6 SEC teams got in. Zero of them will be Elite, and maybe a few will be in the Sweet 16. And, that is the truth.

It's certainly not the "truth" unless you have somehow managed to apply quantum physics' much discussed, yet-to-be proven string theory which would allow you to move yourself out of a time sequential existence. What is true is that the Big 10 actually has 11 teams and 6 of them did not receive bids. I think it's a shame that 5 teams got in from the Overrated 10 but does that mean they shouldn't have gotten bids? I won't be surprised if they have equivalent difficulty putting anyone into the Elite 8 but limitations on my understanding of physics does not allow me to declare that the "truth".

A valid complaint about the SEC is not how many bids they received, but how they were seeded. I can't see how they justify Tennessee at 2.

**dave11486** · 03-16-06, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

It's certainly not the "truth" unless you have somehow managed to apply quantum physics' much discussed, yet-to-be proven string theory which would allow you to move yourself out of a time sequential existence. What is true is that the Big 10 actually has 11 teams and 6 of them did not receive bids. I think it's a shame that 5 teams got in from the Overrated 10 but does that mean they shouldn't have gotten bids? I won't be surprised if they have equivalent difficulty putting anyone into the Elite 8 but limitations on my understanding of physics does not allow me to declare that the "truth".

A valid complaint about the SEC is not how many bids they received, but how they were seeded. I can't see how they justify Tennessee at 2.

I just want to take a second to understand how you take a shot at my opinion when you obviously do not know what your talking about. First off, there are "6" teams from what you call a overrated conference. And, they are not overrated. They are one of the two best conferences and again that is the truth. We'll just have to see how the SEC does, again I think you know how its gonna turn out because I already told you.

**onlooker** · 03-17-06, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by dave11486

We'll just have to see how the SEC does

SEC is 4-0 on the first day of games. Pretty good statement for the SEC today.

**Illusion** · 03-17-06, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

SEC is 4-0 on the first day of games. Pretty good statement for the SEC today.

Most teams looked very impressive. I didn't think the SEC was this strong.

**dave11486** · 03-17-06, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

SEC is 4-0 on the first day of games. Pretty good statement for the SEC today.

Oh yea that's great, but I'm talking about them making it to a round that matters. I just don't think they have what it takes as a conference.

**onlooker** · 03-17-06, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by dave11486

Oh yea that's great, but I'm talking about them making it to a round that matters. I just don't think they have what it takes as a conference.

The only round that matters is the one on April 3rd, thats the final round.

LSU will be a tough team to beat in the later rounds, so the SEC has a good shot at getting a team to the final four.

**Razz** · 03-17-06, 12:12 AM

Dave, for what it's worth, I've already bet against two SEC teams in the second round. I think Tennessee will almost definitely lose, and think there is a really good chance Florida will as well.

**isetcap** · 03-17-06, 01:32 AM

Alabama obviously didn't belong.

**imgv94** · 03-17-06, 01:58 AM

Belmont didn't belong. By far the worst team in the tournament.

**onlooker** · 03-17-06, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

Belmont didn't belong. By far the worst team in the tournament.

Well they won the A-Sun, so they deserved to go I guess. But they werent in the same class as UCLA and we seen that.

Until they stop giving the conference tournament winners a automatic bid, we will see these type teams from time to time.

**isetcap** · 03-19-06, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by dave11486

I just want to take a second to understand how you take a shot at my opinion when you obviously do not know what your talking about. First off, there are "6" teams from what you call a overrated conference. And, they are not overrated. They are one of the two best conferences and again that is the truth. We'll just have to see how the SEC does, again I think you know how its gonna turn out because I already told you.

Thanks for the "truth", Brilliance.

From now on I'll just call you Biblical Dave.

As I stated before the evidence presented itself. The Big 10 is in fact the Overrated 11 this year, and the SEC was in fact a better basketball conference this year.

**isetcap** · 03-19-06, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by dave11486

The SEC getting 6 teams is pretty ridiculous.

If by SEC, you meant Big 10...

OR

If by "pretty ridiculous" you meant "completely appropriate".

**isetcap** · 03-20-06, 05:32 PM

Where's my good buddy, Biblical Dave? Surely he wouldn't go into hiding just based on being atrociously wrong on one occasion! Come on Dave, don't take it all so personally...