Official Bernie Sanders for President 2016 thread

[scumbag]

simpleton, "the government" isn't a person (you know... like a corporation), it's a collective (like a union). just because it happens to be shit ATM - because the rich are government, thus, control government - doesn't mean the concept of government is bad. Google plutocracy you half-wit

i'd suggest doing some reading on the feudal societies of europe. you stupid roosterlicker! government is the only thing that can restrain the super-rich - and just because we've devolved into a plutocracy - the answer isn't to do away with the concept of government.

[scumbag]

i'd jump off a penetrating bridge if i had the brainpower of this simpleton. his chess and poker game must be a penetrating disaster.

[The Kraken]

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[scumbag]

american neo-feudalism:

The idea of a property-owning democracy has long roots in American political thought. In their book, “The Citizen’s Share,” Joseph R. Blasi, Richard B. Freeman and Douglas Kruse argue that the Founding Fathers wanted everyone (well, everyone who was white and male) to own a small slice of property. Both Madison and Washington praised the relatively equal distribution of property in the United States (compared with Europe). Thomas Jefferson wrote, “It is not too soon to provide by every possible means that as few as possible be without a little portion of land. The small landholders are the most precious part of a state.” Indeed, the concept is still popular today, even on the right. James Poulos writes, “Without an ownership society, where citizens are prudent stewards of broadly distributed private property, freedom tends to become what it was in revolutionary France — an abstract ideal that can easily arouse destructive political feelings that know no bounds.” But new data suggests America may no longer be such a society, and that has worrying implications for democracy.

The idea of a property-owning democracy is no longer the reality in the United States. Edward Wolff finds that the wealthiest 10 percent own 90.9 percent of all stocks and mutual funds, 94.3 percent of financial securities but only 26.5 percent of the debt. For the middle class, their home makes up 62.5 percent of their limited wealth. (The bottom 40 percent have negative wealth.) The Gini coefficient for net worth has increased from 0.803 in 1962 to 0.871 in 2013. (By way of comparison: A Gini coefficient of 1 means that 1 person owns all of the wealth.) As the chart below shows, financial instruments and wealth are far more unequally distributed than income.

It is not of insignificant concern that the rich may cease to be capable of performing the basic tasks necessary in the modern economy. The result is something like the dystopia described in the recent science-fiction film “In Time,” except that the rich elongate their lives by making the poor do their mundane tasks.Robert Kuttner writes of TaskRabbit:

To get an assignment, an aspiring Rabbit offers to do the chore for less money than he or she thinks other prospective Rabbits are bidding. That’s what makes it a metaphor for the new economy, a dystopia where regular careers are vanishing, every worker is a freelancer, every labor transaction is a one-night stand, and we collude with one another to cut our wages.

Together these trends should be worrying: The vast majority of Americans own no assets, but are instead laden with debt. The social safety net is being shredded by plutocrats and their political henchmen. Conservatives say workers should instead get benefits from their (preferably privately owned) employers. But those companies are supporting workers less and less: Defined benefit pensions are a thing of the past, and even basic retirement plans are in decline. And that’s just for those who are lucky enough to have jobs with benefits. Many workers are misclassified, or are never employees to begin with, meaning they must manage for retirement and health insurance without all the benefits the government funnels through the employee-employer relationship.

As Matt Bruenig notes, in the United States,

“employers often handle sickness (health insurance, subsidized by federal government), old-age insurance (401k and defined-benefit pensions, subsidized by federal government), survivor’s insurance (life insurance, subsidized by federal government), family benefits (paid leave and health insurance for children), unemployment (severance, though more typically rely heavily on public unemployment insurance), on top of providing socially adequate levels of cash income.”

That is, government has funneled important social benefits through corporations. This not only makes a corporate job more cushy than otherwise, it also makes freelance work more precarious. Christopher Mims notes that, “Uber isn’t the Uber for rides — it’s the Uber for low-wage jobs.” A large portion of Americans now have two choices: Become servants to the rich for minimal wages, or starve to death. The idea that low-wage work is merely a short-term part of the rung towards a better life is also largely illusory: Upward mobility has been destroyed.
America has fallen into neo-feudalism: A wealthy capital-owning class exists behind a servile class with no assets, and only a life of drudgery ahead of them. The master-servant relationship will only further degrade social trust and civic values. Americans can’t see themselves as equals in the political sphere when large portions are consigned to wait upon the whims of new aristocracy. Conservative politics relies on the middle class making a devil’s bargain, believing they have more in common with the rich than the poor. It won’t be long before that facade crumbles.

[DwightShrute]

simpleton, "the government" isn't a person (you know... like a corporation), it's a collective (like a union). just because it happens to be shit ATM - because the rich are government, thus, control government - doesn't mean the concept of government is bad. Google plutocracy you half-wit

i'd suggest doing some reading on the feudal societies of europe. you stupid roosterlicker! government is the only thing that can restrain the super-rich - and just because the we've devolved into a plutocracy - the answer isn't to do away with the concept of government.

it's like talking to a retard. No wonder politicians keep on screwing shit up. They have idiots like you cheering them on. LOL. I understand you think you are smart but no one else does. Maybe Kraken and that's not saying much.

Put me on ignore again loser.

[scumbag]

this moron is too stupid to understand that he's the retard in this conversation. go post a meme you penetrating dummy. leave the intellectual discussions to the intellectuals.

[DwightShrute]

this moron is too stupid to understand that he's the retard in this conversation. go post a meme you penetrating dummy. leave the intellectual discussions to the intellectuals.

lol, you thinking you fall into that category is almost as idiotic and funny as the things you say and believe.

[scumbag]

well... one of us is interested in the more complex issues of the political debate; the other posts endless meme's.

i'll let the others decide who's the intellectual here.

[Snowball]

tldr....but please tell me what happens to the global economy, and even more so, the U.S. Economy when we default on our debt and tell the world the money they invested in our bonds is gone?

did you even read the article ?
the debt would be paid in full.

[DwightShrute]

well... one of us is interested in the more complex issues of the political debate; the other posts endless meme's.

i'll let the others decide who's the intellectual here.

How to write a good forum post - http://www.adisc.org/forum/showthrea...ood-Forum-Post

[The Kraken]

Dwight is out on his feet

If anyone is in Dwights corner, I implore you to throw in the white towel on his behalf, I repeat, THROW IN THE TOWEL FOR DWIGHT.

This is just getting sad. Dwighty probably has CTE now.

[DwightShrute]

Dwight is out on his feet

If anyone is in Dwights corner, I implore you to throw in the white towel on his behalf, I repeat, THROW IN THE TOWEL FOR DWIGHT.

This is just getting sad. Dwighty probably has CTE now.

[brooks85]

What? What occurred was that you posted three etf's, only one of which had anything to do with healthcare, and claimed that obamacare was designed to make the rich richer by way of certain stocks going up, and that you has posted the proof. I, in turn said that QE is what made the market go up the way it has.

How the fukk does that translate to me not knowing what obamacare or QE is? You chose the one thing to argue with me about that you cannot win, in fact, you know so little about it, you don't even know that you lost. Which show, you have nothing to offer here, so please do everyone a favor and QUIT POSTING.

you are clueless and wrong, those are the facts for anyone who remembers them. Obviously you do not.

[brooks85]

simpleton, "the government" isn't a person (you know... like a corporation), it's a collective (like a union). just because it happens to be shit ATM - because the rich are government, thus, control government - doesn't mean the concept of government is bad. Google plutocracy you half-wit

i'd suggest doing some reading on the feudal societies of europe. you stupid roosterlicker! government is the only thing that can restrain the super-rich - and just because we've devolved into a plutocracy - the answer isn't to do away with the concept of government.

you seem to think people don't remember how illogical and uneducated I have proven you are?

Want to give some more examples of government job creation ya putz...?


here is a hint; when kraken is supporting you, that is not a good sign.

[grease lightnin]

did you even read the article ?
the debt would be paid in full.

The article suggests not issuing new debt and paying off the current debt slowly. That is hardly "with a flick of the pen".

[KingJD31]

this moron is too stupid to understand that he's the retard in this conversation. go post a meme you penetrating dummy. leave the intellectual discussions to the intellectuals.

Thinks he's intellectual, posts on a degenerate forum.

[brooks85]

lol even more telling is that fact he thinks governments create jobs and is too petulant to admit he is wrong. So instead he comes out with hilarious examples that are not correct because there are no correct examples.

[grease lightnin]

you are clueless and wrong, those are the facts for anyone who remembers them. Obviously you do not.

Bravo. More useless, empty conjecture. Based on a lie this time, no less. Do us and yourself a favor and TAKE A HIKE.

[brooks85]

Bravo. More useless, empty conjecture. Based on a lie this time, no less. Do us and yourself a favor and TAKE A HIKE.

it is not my fault you can't understand what I showed you. It is well known information on top of me posting relentlessly about it for the past few years. You are just making yourself look silly...


money talks as they say

[grease lightnin]

it is not my fault you can't understand what I showed you. It is well known information on top of me posting relentless about it for the past few years. You are just making yourself look silly...


money talks as they say

Be specific. What are you talking about? Empty empty empty

[brooks85]

Be specific. What are you talking about? Empty empty empty

check your post history, I didn't forget. Facts facts facts


Not going to explain it to you again. Your flaw from what I remember you think QE made everything go up which is not true and is also irrelevant to how Obama affected specific markets. Whether QE happened or not, doesn't change what Obamacare was; a ponzi scheme.

[dante1]

Bravo. More useless, empty conjecture. Based on a lie this time, no less. Do us and yourself a favor and TAKE A HIKE.

guy is a complete phony, I and many others exposed him more than just a couple times. has absolutely no knowledge of history or political science but lays claim to an extraordinary obscene and foul mouth. when cornered with real facts he simply ignores the post, my god he can't answer simple 9th grade history questions. at least twice I formulated questions and at least twice he disappeared. he is not unlike dwightie but without the find and paste attribute. both very deficient in both knowledge and intellect.

did you ever notice that the guys with the propensity to name call everybody that disagrees are almost always the guys that know almost nothing. mr brooks knows almost nothing so far about almost everything. once the conversation begins to contain actual facts he is at a loss. hey he bought into the conservative bs, reads nothing but conservative bs must I say more about this lad?

[brooks85]

guy is a complete phony, I and many others exposed him more than just a couple times. has absolutely no knowledge of history or political science but lays claim to an extraordinary obscene and foul mouth. when cornered with real facts he simply ignores the post, my god he can't answer simple 9th grade history questions. at least twice I formulated questions and at least twice he disappeared. he is not unlike dwightie but without the find and paste attribute. both very deficient in both knowledge and intellect.

did you ever notice that the guys with the propensity to name call everybody that disagrees are almost always the guys that know almost nothing. mr brooks knows almost nothing so far about almost everything. once the conversation begins to contain actual facts he is at a loss. hey he bought into the conservative bs, reads nothing but conservative bs must I say more about this lad?

which you have never done lol. All you are capable of bringing up completely unrelated information on top of making claims for which you don't have anything to back them up with mr. "I don't have the data." You know there is a logical fallacy for what you do...

it is clear you have no real critical thinking skills because you habitually say illogical things. I have proved this many times over like the thread you keep running from...

here let me bump it again for you so everyone can see again, how weak your debate skills are plus your reading comprehension.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/2923019-conservative-vision-social-justice-p5.html#post24705707

[grease lightnin]

check your post history, I didn't forget. Facts facts facts


Not going to explain it to you again. Your flaw from what I remember is you think QE made everything go up which is not true and is also irrelevant to how Obama affected specific markets. Whether QE happened or not, doesn't change what Obamacare was; a ponzi scheme.

So you are actually saying you think obamacare has had more of a role in the current bull market than QE? Preposterous. Yes I said QE has made everything go up, because it has! Find just one article that credits the bull market to obamacare, and post it here. Just one. I could fill up 1000 pages with articles about QE being responsible for the bull market.

Seriously though, why would you come on an internet forum and pretend to be an expert on something you know nothing about? Smh

[grease lightnin]

did you ever notice that the guys with the propensity to name call everybody that disagrees are almost always the guys that know almost nothing?

Yes I have noticed that.

[brooks85]

check your post history, I didn't forget. Facts facts facts


Not going to explain it to you again. Your flaw from what I remember you think QE made everything go up which is not true and is also irrelevant to how Obama affected specific markets. Whether QE happened or not, doesn't change what Obamacare was; a ponzi scheme.

So you are actually saying you think obamacare has had more of a role in the current bull market than QE? Preposterous. Yes I said QE has made everything go up, because it has! Find just one article that credits the bull market to obamacare, and post it here. Just one. I could fill up 1000 pages with articles about QE being responsible for the bull market.

Seriously though, why would you come on an internet forum and pretend to be an expert on something you know nothing about? Smh

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're very young(you should hope that is the case) but you shouldn't commit such lazy logical fallacies. It is very popular in the liberal logic world. Remember you also misread the charts I posted and you misread them in a way as if I was making a different point.... same thing here. Don't do that, it is pitiful logic.


so lets have you try again. Read what I said correctly this time...

[grease lightnin]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're very young(you should hope that is the case) but you shouldn't commit such lazy logical fallacies. It is very popular in the liberal logic world. Remember you also misread the charts I posted and you misread them in a way as if I was making a different point.... same thing here. Don't do that, it is pitiful logic.


so lets have you try again. Read what I said correctly this time...

Here you go again with the riddles. If I knew where you lived I would drive to your house and kick your ass right now.

The "debate" we are referencing went like this:

Brooks says obamacare is a ponzi scheme.

I said bullshit, prove it.

He posts 3 or 4 etf charts that show good gains over the last six years, only one of which was a pure healthcare, and I believe two were consumer cyclicals, one was large cap. Which have little to do with healthcare and proves he doesn't know what he is talking about because he doesn't know what he's posting. The charts he posted are basically the s&p 500.

I say obamacare had virtually nothing to do with those etf's going up, it was qe and the fed that made them go up.

Brooks then starts with the riddles and insults and doesn't really say anything specific.

Brooks, if it happened differently than that say so and be specific. If not, then STFU and GTFO.

You are an ass and everybody knows it. There is one person on your side here--Dwight. Think about that for a minute.

[brooks85]

Here you go again with the riddles. If I knew where you lived I would drive to your house and kick your ass right now.

The "debate" we are referencing went like this:

Brooks says obamacare is a ponzi scheme.

I said bullshit, prove it.

He posts 3 or 4 etf charts that show good gains over the last six years, only one of which was a pure healthcare, and I believe two were consumer cyclicals, one was large cap. Which have little to do with healthcare and proves he doesn't know what he is talking about because he doesn't know what he's posting. The charts he posted are basically the s&p 500.

I say obamacare had virtually nothing to do with those etf's going up, it was qe and the fed that made them go up.

Brooks then starts with the riddles and insults and doesn't really say anything specific.

Brooks, if it happened differently than that say so and be specific. If not, then STFU and GTFO.

You are an ass and everybody knows it. There is one person on your side here--Dwight. Think about that for a minute.

and that is where you are wrong. Bitching and complaining isn't going to change it. In the same amount of time you could have educated yourself. Stop being lazy.

[grease lightnin]

and that is where you are wrong. Bitching and complaining isn't going to change it. In the same amount of time you could have educated yourself. Stop being lazy.

Ok Books, then tell us in detail how obamacare made those four etf's go up, three of which had little or nothing to do with healthcare or STFU!!!!!!

[brooks85]

Brooks, tell us in detail how obamacare made four etf's go up, three of whick had little or nothing to do with healthcare or STFU!!!!!!

lol there isn't many of "us" I need to tell. The fact is I've already posted on it many times so I'd rather see how long you will stay ignorant instead of just using a little bit of effort. There is no point for me explaining something I already have a dozen times especially because the free ride from it is largely over.

[grease lightnin]

lol there isn't many of "us" I need to tell. The fact is I've already posted on it many times so I'd rather see how long you will stay ignorant instead of just using a little bit of effort. There is no point for me explaining something I already have a dozen times especially because the free ride from it is largely over.

Uh huh. That's what I thought. Now STFU

[brooks85]

Uh huh. That's what I thought. Now STFU

exactly, that is what you "thought" lol


too scared to use google or even search engine here to find out. I could tell you but I'd rather see how long you'll go. At this point odds are you wouldn't even admit you were wrong once proven wrong.

[grease lightnin]

exactly, that is what you "thought" lol


too scared to use google or even search engine here to find out. I could tell you but I'd rather see how long you'll go. At the point, odds are you wouldn't even admit you were wrong once proven wrong.

Yes Brooks, an argument can be made that obamacare buoyed healthcare stocks. But it wasn't a ponzi, it was an unintended consequence.

But that isn't the point here. The point is that three out of the four etf's you posted didn't have shit to do with healthcare. You are on here trying to pose yourself as an expert but you are a clown, guy. This is why I called you out in the first place.

[Fischnasty]

unreal

[muldoon]