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  • konck
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-17-06
    • 12554

    #1
    The new online scam Fantasy Football
    I expect this thread to be moved or removed but guys really these fantasy sights are 100% scams.
    If there not putting in past posted line ups they are doing pro team play.
    Heres the take on it from one of he best gamblers in the world.
    Also after this lt scam not much being said...there is no legit gaming commission for these sites
    Online poker reborn

    Haralabos Voulgaris, also known as Bob Voulgaris or H-Bob on Bill Simmons' podcasts, is a professional sports gambler, and has been called "the world's top NBA gambler."
    Voulgaris has made a name for himself identifying patterns, locating edges, and developing models and algorithms to beat the sportsbooks.
    According to ESPN, he had accumulated "a fortune" before turning 30, and routinely bet $1 million on NBA games in a single day.
    Voulgaris was a guest on ESPN Radio's "The Dan Le Batard Show" on Wednesday to talk about the scandal that has hit the daily-fantasy-sports industry.
    In this recent controversy, The New York Times reported that one employee for DraftKings was shown to have access to valuable data the same week he won $350,000 at rival site FanDuel, raising questions about who had access to what data.
    According to Voulgaris, this is not really a big advantage as the data can be found by regular players if they do the right research, at least for NFL games.
    "The advantage that he had is not even really that big of an advantage in the NFL," Voulgaris told the show. "The information he was using is basically publicly available on a Thursday. So basically, if you enter a bunch of contests on a Thursday, you can see the ownership of all of the players that you selected and that's representative of that Thursday for the following Sunday's NFL."
    In other words, a player can see the ownership data on Thursday and the patterns will likely still be the same on Sunday. Voulgaris does explain that this type of data would have a bigger advantage in MLB daily-fantasy-sports games since the games are played and completed in a single day instead of over a five-day window.
    But this doesn't mean the average player isn't getting screwed. In fact, Voulgaris says the casual player sitting at home and watching NFL games for fun is getting "fleeced."
    "The real issue is, that I think people don't realize, is the fact that the person who is tuning in and seeing these commercials, and signing up to play in these multi-tournaments, where the winner gets a million dollars, I think if they knew that they were going to enter maybe three, or four, or five entries, but a pro is going to enter 1,000 entries, they wouldn't think it was that exciting to enter these contests. I think that's the part where there is some impropriety.
    If the actual casual viewer, watching these commercials and signing up, knew they weren't competing against other like-minded people like themselves, that they're competing against professionals who have algorithms and thousands and thousands of entries in all these tournaments, they would realize that their chances of winning are really not that good and it's really not as exciting as they think it is ... the pros are winning all the money and they are also entering all the contests.
    It's a giant partnership between the pros and the sites, and the unsuspecting customers who are doing this for entertainment are literally getting fleeced."
    Last edited by konck; 10-09-15, 09:49 AM.
  • konck
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-17-06
    • 12554

    #2
    Scary stat Fan Duel will pay out over 1 billion dollars this yr
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    • SharpAngles
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 04-15-14
      • 9467

      #3
      As usual Bob V. sharpest person in the room

      Anyone else get an email from the Draftkings founders today? Must be some serious damage control going on over there, I haven't even logged in since 2013.
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      • JIBBBY
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 12-10-09
        • 83691

        #4
        Scamduel and CrapKings can kiss me arse mateys.... I'm out, you give them money not me......

        Last edited by JIBBBY; 10-09-15, 10:26 AM.
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        • DOM_Toretto
          Restricted User
          • 01-28-13
          • 9035

          #5
          My brother won $120k.... Not all a scam.
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          • daneblazer
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 09-14-08
            • 27861

            #6
            I Did something like that for baseball. Sign up for an all day tourny or league where there was one or two early games. You could get an idea of % for the night that way
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388189

              #7
              I laugh at losers that play
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              • PorkChop
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-18-08
                • 8193

                #8
                I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"
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                • konck
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-17-06
                  • 12554

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                  My brother won $120k.... Not all a scam.
                  Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
                  This thread is to wake you up to that
                  I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
                  Should be outlawed
                  Last edited by konck; 10-09-15, 11:51 AM.
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                  • pavyracer
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82477

                    #10
                    You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
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                    • konck
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-17-06
                      • 12554

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PorkChop
                      I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"
                      MLB got their nose dirty because they own a small part of this scamming toilet
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                      • konck
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-17-06
                        • 12554

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                        You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
                        Well we know that actually does happen to but on a small scale
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                        • DOM_Toretto
                          Restricted User
                          • 01-28-13
                          • 9035

                          #13
                          Originally posted by konck
                          Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
                          This thread is to wake you up to that
                          I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
                          Should be outlawed
                          How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

                          80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.
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                          • Ra77er
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 06-20-11
                            • 10969

                            #14
                            I'm glad I was born with a 4 leaf clover.
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                            • FlipsideRM
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 09-28-11
                              • 10518

                              #15
                              That's why you don't play the big GPP tournaments. Join smaller leagues with single entry for best chance to win
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                              • sweethook
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-21-07
                                • 12667

                                #16
                                they are the winners fan and king .. save your money .. its all a scam an con
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                                • msutter
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 03-14-07
                                  • 1162

                                  #17
                                  The fact that fantasy sports is considered a skill game and online poker is not is a total joke
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                                  • jtoler
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 12-17-13
                                    • 30967

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by konck
                                    Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
                                    This thread is to wake you up to that
                                    I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
                                    Should be outlawed
                                    Sounds like how the world is, a small percentage of the people own the bulk of the money. Never did fantasy never will.
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                                    • jtoler
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 12-17-13
                                      • 30967

                                      #19
                                      Nobody is saying anything about fantasy, obviously Fanduel and DK are paying them substantial money in advertising that they are willing to keep their mouths closed, no telling how much other money they are paying to keep others happy.
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                                      • jtoler
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 12-17-13
                                        • 30967

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                                        How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

                                        80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.
                                        I wonder how many of those winning those high amounts are employed by DK or FD somehow.
                                        Last edited by jtoler; 10-09-15, 01:22 PM.
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                                        • daneblazer
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 09-14-08
                                          • 27861

                                          #21
                                          This is what it's come to

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                                          • JIBBBY
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 12-10-09
                                            • 83691

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by PorkChop
                                            I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"
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                                            • konck
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 10-17-06
                                              • 12554

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                                              How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

                                              80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.
                                              Its not surprising ....its shockingly true yes payouts are top heavy....but there's millions of leagues, with pay out going to that same 5% its kind of what the opening statement was about.
                                              So stop defending you have zero case
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                                              • trytrytry
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 03-13-06
                                                • 23649

                                                #24
                                                they allow the pros specific special interface software (there is strong rumors that some PROS also get a REBATE program like some horses racing ADWs have Joe public nothing after that joke of a sign up bonus)..to enter hundreds and thousands of entries at a time (ie not typing each team into the crappy WEB site interface they have). that alone at the last moment on breaking news or using the inside info they have and can crunch instantly and do something with it why this industry is a scam.

                                                AVOID them all....

                                                got that damage control EMAIL today and EMAILED back what I thought.
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                                                • Ra77er
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 06-20-11
                                                  • 10969

                                                  #25
                                                  bottom line is I played anne they didn't
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                                                  • FlipsideRM
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 09-28-11
                                                    • 10518

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Ra77er
                                                    bottom line is I played anne they didn't
                                                    if you think it can't be you, it can be you.

                                                    Every week I can beat my friends, every week I can make money playing on fan duel
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                                                    • Ra77er
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 06-20-11
                                                      • 10969

                                                      #27
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                                                      • Jeffie
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 04-06-12
                                                        • 3428

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Ra77er
                                                        bottom line is I played anne they didn't
                                                        Lmao this line had me in tears when I first heard it.
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                                                        • Swinging Johnson
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 08-12-09
                                                          • 7604

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                          You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
                                                          Bingo!
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                                                          • DOM_Toretto
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 01-28-13
                                                            • 9035

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by konck
                                                            Its not surprising ....its shockingly true yes payouts are top heavy....but there's millions of leagues, with pay out going to that same 5% its kind of what the opening statement was about.
                                                            So stop defending you have zero case
                                                            I just don't get that people are concerned about this. In poker, I'm sure it's a similar 90% of money won by 5% of players. It's not crazy, actually makes sense. That doesn't mean 95% are losers. SBR doesn't understand math??
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                                                            • goduke
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 02-17-10
                                                              • 11580

                                                              #31
                                                              would stop this if they just did single entry contests.
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                                                              • sshz
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 06-02-15
                                                                • 575

                                                                #32
                                                                I believe it's more like the top 10 players (or groups of players most likely) are winning 90% of the big money. I posted the exact details in another thread from a recent independent review. The big guys don't bother with the $.25-$5 entries, it's not worth their time. But they are heavily invested in the big money tournaments, entering up to a 1000 computer generated entries per game. Both sites have been given til 10/15 to respond to the N.Y. General Attorney as to how much each and every employee has won at the other site and that's when the shit will hit the fan. Myself, and a bunch of my friends- have already pulled all our money out and I'm guessing a large and growing number of players are following suit. No reason to play a game that's so rigged against it's players.......
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                                                                • sshz
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 06-02-15
                                                                  • 575

                                                                  #33
                                                                  And they do offer a few single entry games each week, which were the only ones we normally played and we held are own too but if they can't control their own employees, what else are they getting away with what we don't know about???? This will shortly become heavily regulated by the states and like the lottery, will suck all the fun out of what's left of it.
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                                                                  • Ra77er
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 06-20-11
                                                                    • 10969

                                                                    #34
                                                                    People on this forum will angle shoot a free point giveaway/contests/sbr poker you name it and now they are enraged over a guy cashing in on spamduel....cannot make this sh1t up indeed.
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                                                                    • daneblazer
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 09-14-08
                                                                      • 27861

                                                                      #35
                                                                      It's not like the average player has been complaining about these things for YEARS. Site wouldn't listen
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