top 5 pitchers all time

**daneblazer** · 04-23-16, 03:01 PM

Cy young, Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Koufax, Joe Saunders

**MinnesotaFats** · 04-23-16, 03:08 PM

Pedro, Clemens, Kofax, Johnson, Kershaw is going to end up in this argument too- may be already with win %.

**Slipknot26** · 04-23-16, 03:10 PM

Cy Young , Koufax, Ryan , Maddux , Randy Johnson

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-23-16, 03:46 PM

Maddux Pedro Johnson Koufax Ryan

**RavensFan2k3** · 04-23-16, 04:26 PM

Arrieta Arrieta Arrieta Arrieta Arrieta

**iloseagain** · 04-23-16, 05:04 PM

lol i was gonna say Arrieta

**Ralphie Halves** · 04-23-16, 05:09 PM

Sidd Finch better be in your top 5. The guy could throw 150mph. None of your pitchers could throw 150mph.

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-23-16, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

Sidd Finch better be in your top 5. The guy could throw 150mph. None of your pitchers could throw 150mph.

Lol so many fell for that haha

hope all is well man, always one of my fav reads, very well spoken

**lakerboy** · 04-23-16, 05:32 PM

I laugh at these lists. Clueless 20 year old kids.

Walter Johnson
Cy young
Bob Gibson
Bob Feller
Tom Seaver

Hon mentions

Steve carlton
Randy. Johnson
Sandy koufax

**philliesfinest** · 04-23-16, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

I laugh at these lists. Clueless 20 year old kids.

Walter Johnson
Cy young
Bob Gibson
Bob Feller
Tom Seaver

Hon mentions

Steve carlton
Randy. Johnson
Sandy koufax

you got the list ,could not agree more

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-23-16, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

I laugh at these lists. Clueless 20 year old kids.

Walter Johnson
Cy young
Bob Gibson
Bob Feller
Tom Seaver

Hon mentions

Steve carlton
Randy. Johnson
Sandy koufax

Dude Your like 38, didn't see any of them lol

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-23-16, 05:38 PM

Maddux and Pedro were the best I've seen

Amazes me how underrated Maddux is , even still

**lakerboy** · 04-23-16, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

Dude Your like 38, didn't see any of them lol

I actually saw seaver.

The point is when these lists are made most guys on here are too young to appreciate the historically great athletes from the past.

Casing point is maddux. Most overrated pitcher ever. Did jack shit when it mattered.

**dlunc3** · 04-23-16, 06:38 PM

Walter Johnson should be on every list

**jjgold** · 04-23-16, 06:41 PM

There's no such thing because you can make a case for 35 players let's get this childish and Kiddish stuff off the board

Not looking for a high school locker room talk

**dlunc3** · 04-23-16, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

There's no such thing because you can make a case for 35 players let's get this childish and Kiddish stuff off the board

Not looking for a high school locker room talk

Have you seen some of the videos you post? Locker room talk at its finest.

That is what players talk is for

**cankid** · 04-23-16, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

Maddux and Pedro were the best I've seen

Amazes me how underrated Maddux is , even still

Pedro is the best I've seen the last 30 years, never seen a pitcher throw 4-5 pitches at 4-5 different speeds, he said what really helped him was his long fingers that could keep contact with the ball upon release so he could play with and adjust the speed and rotation of the ball accordingly. The 4 year stretch from 1997 to 2000 was really impressive.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-23-16, 07:05 PM

This is a bar-stool question. Good q, but different angles. The most obvious consideration is eras:

* Walter Johnson and Cy Young were so long ago. Like a different game.

* Koufax was great, but not huge longevity (by his choice).

* Bob Gibson was an animal.

* Nolan Ryan is the one guy that gets overrated. Massive Ks, great longevity, but a ton of walks, too.

* If u forgive Clemens of roids, he's in the discussion. Reality is that he likely got a 2nd wind, b/c of PEDs.

* Contemporary pitchers, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez were great.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-23-16, 07:10 PM

Want a one-name answer? I really think it's Pedro Martinez.

The only knock I can think of is that his durability was less than great. Usually did a DL stint after all-star break.

**manny24** · 04-23-16, 07:33 PM

i am fine with these lists but Maddux has to be on it

**ROFLcopter** · 04-23-16, 07:36 PM

lol a Closer as a top 5 pitcher ever. I wonder if nyplayer is a Yankees fan

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 04-23-16, 08:39 PM

Old Hoss Radbourn

His best season?

59-12 with a 1.38 ERA with 441 strikeouts. Pitched almost 700 innings.

For this outstanding display of durability, skill, precision, gusto and ball throwing ability, he was payed a meagre $3000

Travesty.

**chico2663** · 04-23-16, 08:44 PM

koufax,gibson.ryan,marachial and maddox. I got to see everyone of those guys pitch.

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 04-23-16, 09:10 PM

Marichal a guy that many forget about.

I once read he could throw 4 pitches from 4 different arm angles, ranging from almost straight over the top to a totally horizontal side arm.

Thats basically 16 different pitches, each with slight variations in movement, break, speed etc.

**chico2663** · 04-23-16, 09:22 PM

did you know that marachal's daughter rosie was married to jose rijo and she cheated and had a child with mariano duncan

**trobin31** · 04-23-16, 09:26 PM

Best ones I've seen, since 1980s

Kershaw
Clemons
Pedro
Maddux
King Felix

Lol at guys naming pitchers they've never even seen before

**R.P. McMurphy** · 04-23-16, 09:43 PM

T-rob more where I'm at and a great list there. Prefer mentioning guys I've at least seen and not just heard about or highlight reels and yes I'm a historian and appreciate past immensely. Just feel like a jagoff mentioning guys like Walter J, Spahn, Gibson, Sandy etc who I never watched play live. For me Clemens, Big Unit, Pedro, Carlton, current KC pen combined just unbeatable lol.

**nyplayer33** · 04-23-16, 10:14 PM

Mariani has best post season era under 1.00 over 100 innings post season..has 5 titles. Maddux..1 title..4 hof players...awful

**d2bets** · 04-23-16, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by nyplayer33

Mariani has best post season era under 1.00 over 100 innings post season..has 5 titles. Maddux..1 title..4 hof players...awful

Didn't Mariano blow a World Series Game 7?

**Andy117** · 04-23-16, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by nyplayer33

Mariani has best post season era under 1.00 over 100 innings post season..has 5 titles. Maddux..1 title..4 hof players...awful

No matter how good a closer he was no closer belongs on a list of top 5 all time pitchers. He was a failed starter.

Pedro's 2000 season is the best season all time for a pitcher.
1.74 ERA in the height of the steroid era beat the closest starter by almost 2 full runs.

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-24-16, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

I actually saw seaver.

The point is when these lists are made most guys on here are too young to appreciate the historically great athletes from the past.

Casing point is maddux. Most overrated pitcher ever. Did jack shit when it mattered.

dude, whoever posts under this handle is fukkin clueless

**Louisvillekid1** · 04-24-16, 12:46 AM

And shame on me ... Mariano best pitcher to ever touch the laces

-just wasn't thinking reliever/closers

**Pick9** · 04-24-16, 12:57 AM

Roy Halladay? he didnt win any titles mostly because toronto always sucked ass, but wasnt he one of the most dominating ones in his time?

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 04-24-16, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by chico2663

did you know that marachal's daughter rosie was married to jose rijo and she cheated and had a child with mariano duncan

Good story, chico. I bet Father's Day is a little tricky.