If the NY KNICKS ever get a good PG

[The Kraken]

They'll be NBA champs

Especially now that perennial loser D'antoni and his matador defense is out of town.

Knicks have no good PG. Too many TO's, horrible Assist/TO ratio, too much shooting and low FG%.

Any good PG's available in free agency this off season?

[dlunc3]

had chauncy last yr and did them no good

[jjgold]

They are not winning with that team

Anthony cannot even hit a 15 ft jumper anymore

[paranoyd androyd]

will need much more than a PG, most of their players are trash

[ramones951]

If they trade Carmelo while his value is still reasonable they will improve.

And if Stoudemire fixes whatever is wrong with himself and returns to his old form.

[The Giant]

No team with Carmelo Anthony and/or Amare Stoudemire will ever win an NBA championship.

[The Kraken]

They're winning in spite of Carmelo's bad play and bad PG play. Having Chauncy last year is irrelevant because he played under that loser D'antoni. D'antoni's system is old and teams figured out how to beat it. He couldn't even lead a better Suns team to the Finals. Mike Woodson is a better coach.

So with a good PG, this team wins it all.

Who's available? Andre miller, John Lucas,

What about Chris Paul? Has he signed an extension? Could you imagine Paul on that team

[The Kraken]

Look at this list

Half of these guys could get the knicks to the Finals

Point Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Deron Williams, New Jersey Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, New Jersey Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted*
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, L.A. Lakers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Gilbert Arenas, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Donald Sloan, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*

[KingJD31]

We already locked up a trip to the finals will get the seven seed sweep Chicago best mia in 6 then sweep the pacers

[The Kraken]

You guys aren't going anywhere this year with Lin and Davis running point 10+ TO's a game between those guys. Can't create their own shots, low FG%. A team like Chi will hold your team under 60 pts/game.

Get a quality PG and this changes everything. Knicks a top 3 team in the league with a good PG. Tyson, Melo, Stat + a quality PG

[The Giant]

They're winning in spite of Carmelo's bad play and bad PG play. Having Chauncy last year is irrelevant because he played under that loser D'antoni. D'antoni's system is old and teams figured out how to beat it. He couldn't even lead a better Suns team to the Finals. Mike Woodson is a better coach.

So with a good PG, this team wins it all.

Who's available? Andre miller, John Lucas,

What about Chris Paul? Has he signed an extension? Could you imagine Paul on that team

Chris Paul has signed through next season.

[KingJD31]

Knicks will hold the bulls under 20 points a game what happens when shumpert molests rose?

[The Kraken]

[boosted1205]

You guys seem to forget how long Lin has been playing.
Look at all the first year point guards.
Nothing happened. Next year will be a different team .

[The Kraken]

Lin hasn't been playing because he's no good. Kyrie Irving didn't need a year and a half to get going because he doesn't suck.

Look, good players play. Lin is only playing because D'antoni had no other choice. His playing time has already been cut in half and Lin hasn't even played 30 games.

Bottom line, Lin sucks. He won't be starting anywhere next year.

[face]

lin is not that great but come on, the real problem is carmelo anthony who totally sucks. also amare obviously can't see, his shots hit back iron all the time, something is wrong with his eye(s). i think shumpert should get even more minutes, he needs to learn some mental things, but he is great at steals.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Kraken not too smart

[oiler]

wont make a difference.until they learn how to play as a team and not individual ball,things will be the same,look at the good teams,they are worried more about winning then indivdual stats

[The Kraken]

Melo is only part of the problem. No team without a great pg has ever had success. Lin isnt even a top 32 pg. Chicago has three pg's better than Lin.

Trading melo is out of the question.

Lin is almost identical to tebowe, except he's asian. Lin likely wont be on the Knicks roster next year. Then we'll see who not too smart.

[thebestthereis]

The Lin character is insane, it's crazy

[jjgold]

Novak should be playing instead of Lin period

[PLA]

They should have traded melo for deron Williams

[HoulihansTX]

No team without a great pg has ever had success.

This is a joke right?

Bulls won 6 championships with 4 different PG's. Paxson/Armstrong/Kerr/ Harper. Non great, and all barely had statistical impacts on games.
Lakers won 5 championships with Derek Fisher. Go ahead give me the BS aout I'm hitting wide open game winners, but for 46 minutes of every game he was an irrelevant player. Not great, not a hall of famer, and very replaceable. He was surrounded by such great player his weakness rearely came to hurt th team.
I will agree that TO's are a a major detriment to a team though. But the abscence of TO's does not eqaul greatness.

[chantrain]

Knicks will hold the bulls under 20 points a game what happens when shumpert molests rose?

^LOL

[Tree Rollins]

If they trade Carmelo while his value is still reasonable they will improve.

And if Stoudemire fixes whatever is wrong with himself and returns to his old form.

Stoudemire has bad knees and it's finally catching up to him. There is a reason that no one would insure his contract, and it's b/c they know his knees are gonna go at any time. It's already started if you ask me.

[sportsfanatic]

lin really needs to work on his turnovers. 7 turnovers is ridiculous when the game's only about half over.

[frostno98]

Melo is only part of the problem. No team without a great pg has ever had success. Lin isnt even a top 32 pg. Chicago has three pg's better than Lin.

Trading melo is out of the question.

Lin is almost identical to tebowe, except he's asian. Lin likely wont be on the Knicks roster next year. Then we'll see who not too smart.

Regardless of what you think of his PG abilities, somebody out there will pay this guy several million next year guaranteed, and he will more likely be living larger. Since I don't see this going broke like most NBA players.

[The Kraken]

Oh, I agree. Someone will pay him, but it won't be for his abilities. It's because he's asian and has a HUGE market following him. The Asian market is barely tapped in professional sports, especially NBA and NFL.

It will be like the Jets taking Tebow. Tebow was one of the worst QB's in football and the only reason Denver won any games was because of their defense and their kicker.

I hope Lin gets his millions. I'm not hating on him personally, just pointing out that he sucks as a pg in the NBA.

[Delicious]

Seriously? They feast on a few teams very poor at playing defense and they are one good player from the finals? These threads are silly. The suns raped the cavs today too,big deal. The next time the knicks play a good team with quality defense it will be another blow out loss just like before.

[The Kraken]

And the cavs beat the Thunder in OKC, so whats your point?

The Knicks are one of the top 6 most talented teams in the league right now, even with Lin. Guys hating on Anthony but statistically he's been one of the most clutch guys over the last 6-7 years. If the Knicks finish either 7th or 8th, they'll lose in the first round. They can beat the rest, THIS YEAR, WITH LIN and his 7 to's/game in 20 minutes.

As bad as Lin is, D'antoni was worse. Everyone knew it. He never coached D and only wanted his teams to run. Can't win in the playoffs without D or an awesome PG. at someone saying Dfish isn't a HOF. That guy was money for 48 minutes. He just knew his role. Maximize assists and minimize TO's, which he did. He played with Shaq and Kobe and you expect him to put up typical HOF numers Get real

[wrongturn]

What have you been smoking? Not saying he will be great, but without Lin, the Knicks won't even be in the playoff. Right now they at least have a shot to sneak in by staying close to 0.500.

[boosted1205]

Lol.. WHAT??
They'll pay him millions because he's Asian? Not for his abilities?? WHAT?? Lol
You remember where Ny was before Lin started playing ?? Going nowhere . Almost last in their division .

Denver was winning with defense and kicker?? What ??
You've been watching football?
Nothing changed except stick Tebow at qb. Where was Denver before Tebow?
It's amazing what one person can do to a whole team. That's what both do. They play hard to win and not care about personal stats. Listen to their interviews. They both give credit to the TEAM.
Listen to Carmelo and other ego maniacs. Huge difference .
They're not great at their positions but they play hard . Denver did and look where it got them .
Knicks could be better if all play hard such as Carmelo could play defense with more effort.

And as I said before. Lin is still learning the pro game.

Oh, I agree. Someone will pay him, but it won't be for his abilities. It's because he's asian and has a HUGE market following him. The Asian market is barely tapped in professional sports, especially NBA and NFL.

It will be like the Jets taking Tebow. Tebow was one of the worst QB's in football and the only reason Denver won any games was because of their defense and their kicker.

I hope Lin gets his millions. I'm not hating on him personally, just pointing out that he sucks as a pg in the NBA.

[The Kraken]

Lol.. WHAT??
They'll pay him millions because he's Asian? Not for his abilities?? WHAT?? Lol
You remember where Ny was before Lin started playing ?? Going nowhere . Almost last in their division .

Denver was winning with defense and kicker?? What ??
You've been watching football?
Nothing changed except stick Tebow at qb. Where was Denver before Tebow?
It's amazing what one person can do to a whole team. That's what both do. They play hard to win and not care about personal stats. Listen to their interviews. They both give credit to the TEAM.
Listen to Carmelo and other ego maniacs. Huge difference .
They're not great at their positions but they play hard . Denver did and look where it got them .
Knicks could be better if all play hard such as Carmelo could play defense with more effort.

And as I said before. Lin is still learning the pro game.

I stopped reading after the bolded part and disregarded everything else prior to it. You should get a life long ban from all sports forums and have your man card shredded for knowing absolutely nothing about football.

You are quite possibly the dumest person alive.

[jjgold]

Knicks just are too old to win

Anthony and and Stoudemire just above average nba players who get hurt easy

[The Kraken]

orale guey?

You think last years NBA champs were younger than this years Knicks?