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  • Madison
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-16-11
    • 6360

    #11621
    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
    yeah inside of a 401k it's not a good idea... if you had funds elsewhere, i would have the worst possible taxable stuff inside the retirement account, namely junk bonds paying big interest... the best possible taxable stuff is of course long-term capital gains, qualified dividends, real estate, and physical gold/silver (because nobody knows your basis in those, or even knows if you bought/sold)

    a lot of people recommend holding physical real estate or gold in a retirement account, that is a HORRIBLE IDEA, especially with real estate, because the depreciation does you no good, and if it's not in a retirement account, someone gets a step up in basis on a death, or could convert rental property to personal, etc
    Thx! Once again happy to have you back!
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    • Madison
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-16-11
      • 6360

      #11622
      Originally posted by milwaukee mike
      if/when the stock market and/or bond market crash (i would say the bond market has already crashed), it almost has to crash the economy and real estate prices... the bigger problem is that free money will eventually dry up and we will probably have food riots in my lifetime

      the federal government won't even have enough inflows to cover interest on the national debt, if rates go to 3.5% on 100 trillion (including underfunded ss/med) that's $3.5 trillion which just so happens to be total collections of the federal government

      hard to have a balanced budget when every dollar you take in just goes to interest
      There is an underlying force whose motive will be to pressure interest rates down. What do you figure the COLA on SS increase last year and this will add to the entitlement obligation? And as you mentioned the overhead interest is implying on the national debt. Not a pretty picture and as I've mentioned before inflation seems more and more likely as the only out?
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      • chico2663
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 09-02-10
        • 36915

        #11623
        Musk selling shitload of tsla to buy Twitter.
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        • chico2663
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 09-02-10
          • 36915

          #11624
          Originally posted by Madison
          There is an underlying force whose motive will be to pressure interest rates down. What do you figure the COLA on SS increase last year and this will add to the entitlement obligation? And as you mentioned the overhead interest is implying on the national debt. Not a pretty picture and as I've mentioned before inflation seems more and more likely as the only out?
          Right now if you make 110,000 ? You quit paying on s.s. All they need to do is jack it up to 150,000. Before any jack off says shit I was self employed paying 53% of all income on it. Also I never got to write my house off because of carter. It is called alternative minimum tax. Look it up and it sucks.
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          • Madison
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-16-11
            • 6360

            #11625
            Originally posted by chico2663
            Musk selling shitload of tsla to buy Twitter.
            So what's the consensus, Buy up his distressed sales or Tesla going lower?
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            • milwaukee mike
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 08-22-07
              • 26914

              #11626
              Originally posted by chico2663
              Right now if you make 110,000 ? You quit paying on s.s. All they need to do is jack it up to 150,000. Before any jack off says shit I was self employed paying 53% of all income on it. Also I never got to write my house off because of carter. It is called alternative minimum tax. Look it up and it sucks.
              it's actually already capped at $142,800... they could make everyone pay ss on ALL their income (not just cap it at 150k) and it still wouldn't make a dent

              annual cost already exceeds what ss takes in, and every year it is going to get much worse, way more retirees and less people entering the work force

              even worse is medicare, they pay out $1 trillion/year and collect less than 1/2 of that... and again that is going to get much worse
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              • milwaukee mike
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                • 08-22-07
                • 26914

                #11627
                another leg down for crypto ugh

                less than a month ago etc was 47, now 25

                brutal price action in bonds, preferreds, crypto, tech stocks... it's like someone saw everything i was holding a few months ago and just wanted to kick my ass over and over lol
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                • Yulia74
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-28-18
                  • 1907

                  #11628


                  Last edited by Yulia74; 05-01-22, 04:23 AM.
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                  • Enkhbat
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-18-11
                    • 3145

                    #11629
                    Maybe this is the real dip lol
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                    • homie1975
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-24-13
                      • 15442

                      #11630
                      Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                      another leg down for crypto ugh

                      less than a month ago etc was 47, now 25

                      brutal price action in bonds, preferreds, crypto, tech stocks... it's like someone saw everything i was holding a few months ago and just wanted to kick my ass over and over lol
                      you mean BTC at around 38 right?

                      those of us diversified across my segments are all feeling the same pain, not just you
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                      • Madison
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-16-11
                        • 6360

                        #11631
                        Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                        another leg down for crypto ugh

                        less than a month ago etc was 47, now 25

                        brutal price action in bonds, preferreds, crypto, tech stocks... it's like someone saw everything i was holding a few months ago and just wanted to kick my ass over and over lol
                        "Misery love's company" ... Don't feel lonely.
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                        • milwaukee mike
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-22-07
                          • 26914

                          #11632
                          Originally posted by homie1975
                          you mean BTC at around 38 right?

                          those of us diversified across my segments are all feeling the same pain, not just you
                          i meant ethereum classic (etc)

                          yeah i know we're all feeling it... kicking myself because i went way too heavy with cash i was gonna use for a condo in vegas, and lost 30-40% of it quickly

                          timing is everything in life, and mine has been pretty horrible, oh well, life goes on, maybe i'll have to get a job! oh wait let's not do anything drastic
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                          • Madison
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-16-11
                            • 6360

                            #11633
                            Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                            i meant ethereum classic (etc)

                            yeah i know we're all feeling it... kicking myself because i went way too heavy with cash i was gonna use for a condo in vegas, and lost 30-40% of it quickly

                            timing is everything in life, and mine has been pretty horrible, oh well, life goes on, maybe i'll have to get a job! oh wait let's not do anything drastic
                            "timing in life is everything". Few words/phrases were ever better spoken. I've had my plusses and negatives but overall on the positive side, I think?. But very true!
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                            • homie1975
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-24-13
                              • 15442

                              #11634
                              Originally posted by Madison
                              "Misery love's company" ... Don't feel lonely.
                              Yup but it's just a snapshot over a lifetime.

                              as long as people don't sell, they have not lost
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                              • d2bets
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 39990

                                #11635
                                Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                i meant ethereum classic (etc)

                                yeah i know we're all feeling it... kicking myself because i went way too heavy with cash i was gonna use for a condo in vegas, and lost 30-40% of it quickly

                                timing is everything in life, and mine has been pretty horrible, oh well, life goes on, maybe i'll have to get a job! oh wait let's not do anything drastic
                                Don't mean this at you in particular, but momentum these days could be a thing in the markets. I mean, when it was rising all the couch traders were making easy money and then spending more, which makes earnings better and so on....cycle up. But now the opposite is people taking losses, hearing bad stuff, not spending, effects earnings, and so on. Exaggerated moves on the way up and on the way down.
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                                • chico2663
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 09-02-10
                                  • 36915

                                  #11636
                                  Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                  it's actually already capped at $142,800... they could make everyone pay ss on ALL their income (not just cap it at 150k) and it still wouldn't make a dent

                                  annual cost already exceeds what ss takes in, and every year it is going to get much worse, way more retirees and less people entering the work force

                                  even worse is medicare, they pay out $1 trillion/year and collect less than 1/2 of that... and again that is going to get much worse
                                  So jack it up to 200,000? Problem is under Reagan bush we sent our factories over seas. We don’t make anything any more except empty pocket millionaires.
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                                  • chico2663
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 09-02-10
                                    • 36915

                                    #11637
                                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                    i meant ethereum classic (etc)

                                    yeah i know we're all feeling it... kicking myself because i went way too heavy with cash i was gonna use for a condo in vegas, and lost 30-40% of it quickly

                                    timing is everything in life, and mine has been pretty horrible, oh well, life goes on, maybe i'll have to get a job! oh wait let's not do anything drastic
                                    I wish I never sold my shit. I bought ethereum at very beginning and same with litecoin. Still waiting to see what happens with xrp.
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                                    • milwaukee mike
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 08-22-07
                                      • 26914

                                      #11638
                                      Originally posted by chico2663
                                      So jack it up to 200,000? Problem is under Reagan bush we sent our factories over seas. We don’t make anything any more except empty pocket millionaires.
                                      totally agree

                                      we've had a phony economy ever since then... i would guess 90% of the government employees are close to worthless, and probably 50% of others. they're not making anything or doing anything productive, just staring at a computer screen and pretending they have some sort of value

                                      i used to work a lot of random jobs as a temp, and i could've done the work of 4 of their employees at most of them
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                                      • Slurry Pumper
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-18-18
                                        • 2811

                                        #11639
                                        Huge week in the markets coming up. We have the Fed coming out and probably raising the interest rates 50 basis points on Wednesday, but more important than that it will be interesting what line of bullshit he has. One thing is for certain, whatever he says you know that it just ain't true. Aside from that we have unemployment numbers and a load of earnings to boot.
                                        After looking at the charts all weekend I can tell you it doesn't look good anywhere really. Then out abroad we have the Japanese Yen totally collapsing and that is causing a spike in the Dollar along with Gold taking it on the chin. Interest rates are close to inverting again which is always some fun news to hear too.
                                        So what I'm doing?
                                        I have short term QQQ Puts that are doing pretty good. I bought them the other day when we got the GDP number being negative and the market just took off on a ride up. I knew that was fake so that is when I went in buying Puts. With that thought, I hate to admit it but I'm a little on the fence for the week and the opportunity to tear a sack of one of my crystal ballz is higher. I'm 65% in the camp of a relief rally here and the only reason is that everything, and I do mean everything looks bad. When it all looks this bad, that typically means it is a good time to at least hedge those puts I got last week and get some calls. I'll be looking to buy some IWM Calls this morning after the early morning rush is over and we put in a morning low pivot. It may take some time if we have a bounce to begin with. I don't think all the markets just gap and go today, but that may happen if they put another support in the I-beam of bullshit which is brought to you by the plunge protection team. If the market is going to have a relief rally today, I think it is more likely to have a fake out to the down side brought to you by the Trick, Trap, Fool, and Fuk you sideways crew. They will make it look like the bottom is dropping out just befroe turning on a dime and riding it back up. Look for $410.65 to be defended, and a spike of around $408 would be a good spot for people to think things are going to shyt before turning around. That's a buy spot for my SPY Calls, and if it continues to tank, I'll just get out and keep the QQQ Puts, if it turns around, I'll exit the puts and keep the SPY Calls.
                                        In the 35% camp, I think this could be the week the Fed just lets the market tank. Its all set up and he could easily let things tank here. Its gonna happen either now or at the end of summer to the fall time frame. The Fed knows it looks horrendous, which is why his comments should be interesting. If I were him, I would let the markets go now so that in the fall there will be a recovery under way. If they wait and try to prop it up, the fall would be the place where it overwhelms them.
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                                        • Slurry Pumper
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-18-18
                                          • 2811

                                          #11640
                                          if we do have another down day look for the 100 DMA to stop it (402) for the day, and maybe the nice 400 number.
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                                          • k13
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 07-16-10
                                            • 18053

                                            #11641
                                            Originally posted by d2bets
                                            Maybe, but still even after today the S&P 500 is up around 25% from the pre-Covid ATH Feb 2020.
                                            The party is just getting started.
                                            Tech will do a lot worse in a higher rate environment.
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                                            • Slurry Pumper
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 06-18-18
                                              • 2811

                                              #11642
                                              Originally posted by Slurry Pumper
                                              If the market is going to have a relief rally today, I think it is more likely to have a fake out to the down side brought to you by the Trick, Trap, Fool, and Fuk you sideways crew. They will make it look like the bottom is dropping out just before turning on a dime and riding it back up. Look for $410.65 to be defended, and a spike of around $408 would be a good spot for people to think things are going to shyt before turning around. That's a buy spot for my SPY Calls, and if it continues to tank, I'll just get out and keep the QQQ Puts, if it turns around, I'll exit the puts and keep the SPY Calls.
                                              Well not exactly like I planned it but close enough. The SPY came down to $405 before rocketing back up into the close. I got the SPY calls for a few weeks at the $408 strike earlier but kept the QQQ Puts for a while. Then got out of the QQQs when the rocket ride started back when the SPY was going up to the 408 level again.
                                              Anyway, I'm now in the 70% camp of having a relief rally this week. It can still fall apart tomorrow since the SPY is below that $416.50 ish level. We'll see how it goes tomorrow, we need 420, then 425 then 432, so there is a but load of work to be done to get people back to believe the crash isn't here.
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388189

                                                #11643
                                                No such thing as a bottom could go to zero

                                                That is what most people do not get
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                                                • Madison
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-16-11
                                                  • 6360

                                                  #11644
                                                  Originally posted by homie1975
                                                  Yup but it's just a snapshot over a lifetime.

                                                  as long as people don't sell, they have not lost
                                                  It all depends on one's lifetime expectation.
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                                                  • Madison
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-16-11
                                                    • 6360

                                                    #11645
                                                    Originally posted by chico2663
                                                    I wish I never sold my shit. I bought ethereum at very beginning and same with litecoin. Still waiting to see what happens with xrp.
                                                    Was way interested in XRP 3/4 years ago. Ripple is/was tied to banking. Still so?
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                                                    • d2bets
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                      • 39990

                                                      #11646
                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                      No such thing as a bottom could go to zero

                                                      That is what most people do not get
                                                      It can't cuz I'd buy it all up first at 1 penny.
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                                                      • dlowilly
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 11-09-16
                                                        • 13862

                                                        #11647
                                                        Originally posted by jjgold
                                                        No such thing as a bottom could go to zero

                                                        That is what most people do not get
                                                        Yeah but if that happens money is no good anymore anyway
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                                                        • dlowilly
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-09-16
                                                          • 13862

                                                          #11648
                                                          Good time to buy Disney? Can't stand the company but I like money, and I doubt the unofficial boycott will last very long.
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                                                          • Poker_Beast
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-14-06
                                                            • 6544

                                                            #11649
                                                            Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                            Good time to buy Disney? Can't stand the company but I like money, and I doubt the unofficial boycott will last very long.
                                                            I have been adding. Absolutely think it has huge potential. The headlines will be short lived.
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                                                            • milwaukee mike
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 08-22-07
                                                              • 26914

                                                              #11650
                                                              i'll take the opposite side of poker beast

                                                              disney still looks expensive, and pretty much every one of their businesses is going to be worse a year from now

                                                              amazon's sales/earnings looked terrible because people are starting to spend all of their available money on rent/food/gas
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                                                              • topgame85
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 03-30-08
                                                                • 12325

                                                                #11651
                                                                Checkout JUSHF. Trading at $2.18 as of close. Down like 50% from February. 52 week low. Owner bought a bunch at $3.29 a bit ago. Also two separate long term investors bought millions in an offering at $3.68 in the past couple months. Easy 20% bounce sometime in the near future IMO. Or if you are long term this should be a 5 bagger by the time VA goes recreational in 2024.
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                                                                • milwaukee mike
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 08-22-07
                                                                  • 26914

                                                                  #11652
                                                                  Originally posted by topgame85
                                                                  Checkout JUSHF. Trading at $2.18 as of close. Down like 50% from February. 52 week low. Owner bought a bunch at $3.29 a bit ago. Also two separate long term investors bought millions in an offering at $3.68 in the past couple months. Easy 20% bounce sometime in the near future IMO. Or if you are long term this should be a 5 bagger by the time VA goes recreational in 2024.
                                                                  at this price it seems decent

                                                                  but these marijuana stocks just get killed with taxes... for example jushf, even though they had loss carryforwards they still paid over 51% in federal taxes last quarter

                                                                  so many of these companies pay over 100% of their profits in federal income taxes because of the dumbass rule that doesn't let them deduct expenses other than cost of goods sold
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                                                                  • Slurry Pumper
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 06-18-18
                                                                    • 2811

                                                                    #11653
                                                                    Great point on the Pot stocks Mike. That industry is way over taxed and will probably remain that way until the entire U.S. is saturated.

                                                                    Today is probably the most important Fed day that I can remember. What's going to happen? Who knows, but each time the Fed comes up to the podium to answer questions he is in a little worse position than before. The lies are a little harder to tell and the cynical reception is a little more cynical.
                                                                    Expect some wild swings as usual and maybe even some more than usual movement today when the Q & A segment comes out. Sure the 50 basis points is baked in, and the letting the bonds mature off the books is also known, but what will be the big mover is what the outlook is according to the way the Fed sees it. I'm in the camp of a relief rally out of this, but with the way the market swings, we could see a dip below the lows for the year before that happens. Then a rip you a new one rally back into the 432ish level on the SPY before the collapse continues.
                                                                    Looks like we are rallying into the announcement this morning so I'm taking 50% of the SPY calls I bought on Monday (Strike $408) off the table. You can't go wrong booking profits. I'll leave the other half on the table for gambling purposes.
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                                                                    • RangeFinder
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 10-27-16
                                                                      • 8041

                                                                      #11654
                                                                      Biden speaks at a presser, and the market starts to trend down, what else is new.
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                                                                      • RangeFinder
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 10-27-16
                                                                        • 8041

                                                                        #11655
                                                                        Took a contrarian approach on a SPY Call at 215 for July 15. Kind of a gamble by I expect a market pump when weak hands fade.
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