NCAA Bowl Contest Standings

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:01 PM

shouldn't it be a half point because 0 is a loss

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

I was going to suggest picking another game as well, but that wouldn't really be fair probably to the others in the contest given we might have a lot more information on which to make a pick (if some big injury occurred recently or something) than they had when picking at the very start of the contest.

While I don't like the rule either, it was stated quite clearly in the original thread so to be fair if anyone had a problem with the rule, they really should have said so at the time, not in the middle of the contest when the rule happened to be working against them (and I say this as someone who this negatively impacts though granted it was only a 1* pick for my team and the pick wasn't exactly looking good at the time the game was cancelled).

Truth be told, I think I saw this is the first division 1 bowl game cancelled since 1941, so no one probably put much stock in the rule they had, but it's definitely a bad rule.

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by BigDeem5

When you say “0 units” what does that mean? There’s no way you should get no credit for the game.

in my contest on another site we give half point for 1 point. It seems fair that 3=1.5/2-1/1=.5.

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

shouldn't it be a half point because 0 is a loss

Seems better or a repick at the current SBR sports book odds of an unpicked game

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by SBR Genie

BigDeem5, this was taken from the official picks thread; https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l-contest.html

"In the event that a bowl game is not played due to protest or cancelled due to natural disaster, or there is a match-up change in the scheduled bowl from the below lines, pick will be scored for 0 units on both sides. In the event the time or venue changes but match-up remains the same for any of the posted lines, all picks have action."

you said not played but game was started. Two totally different circumstances.it should be you get what ever you put by half.

**daneblazer** · 12-26-18, 04:06 PM

Can’t repick. Lines have moved and more info is out.

Its a push or zero

**ArunSh** · 12-26-18, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

Truth be told, I think I saw this is the first division 1 bowl game cancelled since 1941, so no one probably put much stock in the rule they had, but it's definitely a bad rule.

That's the issue yes. No one probably even paid attention since they didn't view it as a real outcome. Unfortunately sometimes it takes something like this to happen before the rule gets reevaluated. But is it really fair to everyone in the contest to not apply it as stated in the current situation given the rule was quite clear (bad or not)? Change it for the future for sure, but for the current situation, I don't know. Is a bad rule I agree, but again if they change the rule on the fly, is that really fair to others in the contest?

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Can’t repick. Lines have moved and more info is out.

Its a push or zero

shouldn't repick but should get half of the exposure.

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

That's the issue yes. No one probably even paid attention since they didn't view it as a real outcome. Unfortunately sometimes it takes something like this to happen before the rule gets reevaluated. But is it really fair to everyone in the contest to not apply it as stated in the current situation given the rule was quite clear (bad or not)? Change it for the future for sure, but for the current situation, I don't know. Is a bad rule I agree, but again if they change the rule on the fly, is that really fair to others in the contest?

there is a difference between a game that started and one that didn't.

**OVAKUL** · 12-26-18, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

Jeeze just see this now had bc for 2 units and I get nothing even though it's cancelled when they have the lead

1 unit not nothing

**ArunSh** · 12-26-18, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

you said not played but game was started. Two totally different circumstances.it should be you get what ever you put by half.

That's semantics chico - the game was still "not played" in completion. I'm quite sure that the intent with that wording was the game not being played in completion. Again, I don't like the rule but should not try to manipulate what imo they clearly meant with that in order to try to salvage your pick.

**unde0087** · 12-26-18, 04:09 PM

It is a shitty deal for those who were on this game. Having said that, for the people saying it isn't fair, it wouldn't be fair to everyone else in the contest for SBR to change a rule halfway through a contest. Not trying to be a dick but the rule has been posted for a month now yet no one says a thing about how "unfair" it is until suddenly the rule comes into play.

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by OVAKUL

1 unit not nothing

they are giving a 0. Not 1 point

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

It is a shitty deal for those who were on this game. Having said that, for the people saying it isn't fair, it wouldn't be fair to everyone else in the contest for SBR to change a rule halfway through a contest. Not trying to be a dick but the rule has been posted for a month now yet no one says a thing about how "unfair" it is until suddenly the rule comes into play.

if you read it states if not played. If game is started it is played

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

That's semantics chico - the game was still "not played" in completion. I'm quite sure that the intent with that wording was the game not being played in completion. Again, I don't like the rule but should not try to manipulate what imo they clearly meant with that in order to try to salvage your pick.

if a game falls on the number they split it. It is only fair that this is done same way. But not worth a suspension for stating an opinion.

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

if you read it states if not played. If game is started it is played

It's no contest. So it wasn't played.

**chico2663** · 12-26-18, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

It's no contest. So it wasn't played.

ok But playing football in ohio they cancelled game at half time because of weather. They called it a tie even though my team was winning. But it had to do with making tourney in high school. but cool.

**pavyracer** · 12-26-18, 04:14 PM

SBR should hold a coin toss at the SBR office. Heads: those who had Boise St win. Tails: those who had Boston College win instead of having a push.

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

SBR should hold a coin toss at the SBR office. Heads: those who had Boise St win. Tails: those who had Boston College win instead of having a push.

Actually better than what they had come up with.

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:17 PM

It’s not clearly stated when you say “0 units”.

A push also is 0 units. So I’m assuming it’s 1/2 credit

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by SBR Genie

BigDeem5, this was taken from the official picks thread; https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l-contest.html

"In the event that a bowl game is not played due to protest or cancelled due to natural disaster, or there is a match-up change in the scheduled bowl from the below lines, pick will be scored for 0 units on both sides. In the event the time or venue changes but match-up remains the same for any of the posted lines, all picks have action."

Can you clarify?

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by chico2663

ok But playing football in ohio they cancelled game at half time because of weather. They called it a tie even though my team was winning. But it had to do with making tourney in high school. but cool.

Maybe was the rule in the Ohio football bylaws? This is stated in the contest as zero points

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by BigDeem5

It’s not clearly stated when you say “0 units”.

A push also is 0 units. So I’m assuming it’s 1/2 credit

a push is actually half points so a 3 star push is 1.5 units

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:30 PM

Stars does not equal units?

If you bet a game, and it is deemed no action - you get your bet back. Similar to a game you bet and the game pushes, you get your bet back.

Sbr is really going to say a no action game is = to a loss?

**yisman** · 12-26-18, 04:31 PM

IMO, this should be graded as a push since it was not completed.

Unfair to award zero credit for a game given that users did not have any idea this game was even at risk when picking.

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by BigDeem5

Stars does not equal units?

If you bet a game, and it is deemed no action - you get your bet back. Similar to a game you bet and the game pushes, you get your bet back.

Sbr is really going to say a no action game is = to a loss?

they shouldnt but essentially they are, thats why its a ridiculous rule.

**thetrinity** · 12-26-18, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by yisman

IMO, this should be graded as a push since it was not completed.

Unfair to award zero credit for a game given that users did not have any idea this game was even at risk when picking.

that would benifit me but thats probably not fair to the other guys who werent effected by this game

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:35 PM

The outcome is as close to a “push” as you can get. It’s no where near a “loss”.

SBR, do the right thing here.

And to say the rule is clear “awarding both sides 0 units” - id believe that to be a push anyway.

**daneblazer** · 12-26-18, 04:35 PM

I think it should be a push as well...and it would benefit me more if it was graded a zero.

Getting half your bet isn’t exactly a reward, but it’s better than zero

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:35 PM

A push isn’t a huge positive. If you push all 16 of your picks - you aren’t winning this, let alone placing.

**BigDeem5** · 12-26-18, 04:37 PM

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**yisman** · 12-26-18, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

that would benifit me but thats probably not fair to the other guys who werent effected by this game

The only two fair solutions are A)Give everyone who picked it half-credit as it was a push or B)Say that the users need to re-pick and notify everyone affected to use those stars on a different game. Standard operating procedure in contests.

Someone getting a push isn't 'benefiting'. The more pushes you get, the worse off you are, since you need to maximize points in this contest. Only the top and bottom are rewarded. A bunch of pushes makes you more likely to finish in the middle, which gets you zilch.

When people paid the 2500 entry fee, they got 40 stars as 'currency' to use.

**ArunSh** · 12-26-18, 04:43 PM

In the spreadsheet they list it as "0" rather than "loss". Not sure that means anything different though. Just wish they'd clarify once and for all whether getting 0 units means a push or a loss. Whichever it is, make it clear since some don't seem to be sure.

Pushing is not benefiting I agree, but it seems like the fairest thing available, and it's obviously better for those who might be close to get half of what they might have gotten rather than none of it. But allowing people to re-pick with added information that was not available when picks were due early on is really not fair to others in the contest. So pushing seems like the fairest solution available in my view.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-26-18, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by yisman

The only two fair solutions are A)Give everyone who picked it half-credit as it was a push or B)Say that the users need to re-pick and notify everyone affected to use those stars on a different game. Standard operating procedure in contests.

Someone getting a push isn't 'benefiting'. The more pushes you get, the worse off you are, since you need to maximize points in this contest. Only the top and bottom are rewarded. A bunch of pushes makes you more likely to finish in the middle, which gets you zilch.

When people paid the 2500 entry fee, they got 40 stars as 'currency' to use.

B is totally not a fair option... someone can now see other picks, and could play accordingly

A is the only fair option

**thechaoz** · 12-26-18, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by ArunSh

I was going to suggest picking another game as well, but that wouldn't really be fair probably to the others in the contest given we might have a lot more information on which to make a pick (if some big injury occurred recently or something) than they had when picking at the very start of the contest.

While I don't like the rule either, it was stated quite clearly in the original thread so to be fair if anyone had a problem with the rule, they really should have said so at the time, not in the middle of the contest when the rule happened to be working against them (and I say this as someone who this negatively impacts though granted it was only a 1* pick for my team and the pick wasn't exactly looking good at the time the game was cancelled).

So go what the score was from the time of cancellation. If the game never started, then fine. The game was in progress though