NFL players: Wonderlic intelligent test scores

**Gambler7** · 10-27-05, 10:09 PM

Davey, Rohan
2002
LSU
17

Dantzler, Woodrow *
2002
Clemson
17

Garrard, David
2002
East Carolina
14

Bishop, Michael
1999
Kansas State
10

Martin, Tee
2000
Tennessee
11

**Gambler7** · 10-27-05, 10:12 PM

A breakdown of the scoring looks like this:

50= highest possible score, superior intelligence
21= average intelligence
14= equivalent to unskilled JANITOR
Below 14= moron

**Senator7** · 10-27-05, 10:16 PM

I think Javon Walker scored lower than 14. If I remember correctly, he had one of the lowest scores in Combine history.

Senator 7

**Gambler7** · 10-27-05, 10:18 PM

I Am Trying To Focus On The Qb Position

**rm18** · 10-27-05, 10:21 PM

What is the point of this listing of only the lowest scoring black QB's?

There doesn't seem to be much relation between wonderlic and NFL success from the numbers.

**Gambler7** · 10-27-05, 11:56 PM

Here's a little more about the Wonderlic test, from an ESPN.com article (espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html):

Each year, about 2.5 million job applicants, in every line of work, take the Wonderlic. The average NFL combiner scores about the same as the average applicant for any other job, a 21. A 20 indicates the test-taker has an IQ of 100, which is average.

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

Charlie Wonderlic Jr., president of Wonderlic Inc., says, "A score of 10 is literacy, that's about all we can say."

**Illusion** · 10-28-05, 12:09 AM

I wonder where the average NBA player ranks.

**rm18** · 10-28-05, 12:16 AM

Some interesting numbers on the site that surprise me,

Michael Vick is average intelligience

Quincy Carter smarter than Dan Marino and Donovan ** Nabb combined

Kerry Collins smarter than the average programmer

**rm18** · 10-28-05, 12:17 AM

Just imagine how samrt they would have been without all the cocaine and alcohol

**pags11** · 10-28-05, 03:06 AM

great thread, I bet Basanez's score will be high...

**slacker00** · 10-28-05, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by rm18

What is the point of this listing of only the lowest scoring black QB's?

There doesn't seem to be much relation between wonderlic and NFL success from the numbers.

Scroll to the bottom to find some white QBs:

Dan Marino 14
Vinny Testeverde 18
Jeff George 10
Neil O'Donnel 13
Elvis Grbac 16

Anyone know what Terry Bradshaw's score was? Sometimes on the FOX pregame it comes up, and I assume it is very very bad. Maybe even in the single digits.

I wouldn't put "too" much stock in these scores, but it IS interesting. I found a sample test and it seems kinda heavy on the math, as many of these kinds of "IQ" tests are. I don't see what math has to do with being an NFL QB. One almost wonders if the "wonderlic" is an old time artifact of the NFL early days and needs to be traded for a more optimum skill test. These numbers are almost meaningless.

**Gambler7** · 10-28-05, 04:18 AM

TOP 84

macmirabile.com

http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm

This domain may be for sale!

Fitzpatrick, Ryan 2005 Harvard 50
Maas, Jason 1999 Oregon 43
Henson, Drew 2003 Michigan 42
Smith, Alex 2005 Utah 40
Rodgers, Aaron 2005 California 39
Manning, Eli 2004 Mississippi 39
Husak, Todd 2000 Stanford 39
Griese, Brian 1998 Michigan 39
Frye, Charlie 2005 Akron 38
Krenzel, Craig 2004 Ohio State 38
Bledsoe, Drew 1993 Wash. State 37
LeFors, Stefan 2005 Louisville 35
O'Sullivan, J.T. 2002 Calif.-Davis 35
Pate, Wes 2002 Stephen Austin 35
Kustok, Zak 2002 Northwestern 35
Brady, Tom 2000 Michigan 33
Young, Steve 1982 BYU 33
Adamson, Rob 2003 Mount Union 32
Harrington, Joey 2002 Oregon 32
Ramsey, Patrick 2002 Tulane 32
Rosenfels, Sage 2001 Iowa State 32
Palmer, Jesse 2001 Florida 32
Daft, Kevin 1999 Calif.-Davis 32
Walter, Andrew 2005 Arizona State 31
White, Jason 2005 Oklahoma 31
Ragone, Dave 2003 Louisville 31
Kingsbury, Kliff 2003 Texas Tech 31
Kittner, Kurt 2002 Illinois 31
Nall, Craig 2002 Northwestern St. 31
Coleman, Justin 2001 Neb.-Kearney 31
Mirer, Rick 1993 Notre Dame 31
Orlovsky, Dan 2005 Connecticut 30
Guidugli, Gino 2005 Cincinnati 30
Haldi, Joshua 2005 Northern Illinois 30
Rivers, Philip 2004 NC State 30
Schaub, Matt 2004 Virginia 30
Mauck, Matt 2004 LSU 30
Paus, Cory 2003 UCLA 30
Cobb, Daniel 2003 Auburn 30
Romo, Tony 2003 Eastern Illinois 30
McCown, Josh 2002 Sam Houston 30
Kennedy, Darnell 2002 Alabama State 30
Carter, Quincy 2001 Georgia 30
Heupel, Josh 2001 Oklahoma 30
Collins, Kerry 1995 Penn State 30
Klingler, David 1992 Houston 30
Grossman, Rex 2003 Florida 29
Weinke, Chris 2001 Florida State 29
Griggs, Shane 2001 Idaho State 29
Bulger, Marc 2000 West Virginia 29
Hasselbeck, Matt 1998 Boston College 29
Aikman, Troy 1989 UCLA 29
Campbell, Jason 2005 Auburn 28
Wood, Juston 2003 Portland State 28
Bollinger, Brooks 2003 Wisconsin 28
Burford, Seth 2002 Cal Poly 28
Godsey, George 2002 Georgia Tech 28
Brees, Drew 2001 Purdue 28
McNown, Cade 1999 UCLA 28
Orton, Kyle 2005 Purdue 27
Long, Dustin 2005 Sam Houston State 27
Farmer, Kirk 2003 Missouri 27
Boller, Kyle 2003 California 27
St. Pierre, Brian 2003 Boston College 27
Gesser, Jason 2003 Wash. State 27
Doman, Brandon 2002 BYU 27
Smith, Aaron 2002 Wagner 27
Smith, Jonathan 2002 Oregon State 27
McMahon, Mike 2001 Rutgers 27
Booty, Josh 2001 LSU 27
Rivers, David 2001 West. Carolina 27
Gannon, Rich 1987 Delaware 27
McPherson, Adrian 2005 Florida State 26
Chang, Timmy 2005 Hawaii 26
Rix, Chris 2005 Florida State 26
Lorenzen, Jared 2004 Kentucky 26
Fife, Jason 2004 Oregon 26
Palmer , Carson 2003 USC 26
Thomas, Jason 2003 UNLV 26
Appelwhite, Major 2002 Texas 26
Banks, Tony 1996 Michigan State 26
Dougherty, Ben 2005 Florida A&M 25
Roethlisberger, Ben 2004 Miami-OH 25
Harris, Josh 2004 Bowling Green 25

**Gambler7** · 10-28-05, 04:20 AM

Bottom 35

Bishop, Michael 1999 Kansas State 10
George, Jeff 1990 Illinois 10
Roberson, Ell 2004 Kansas State 11
Miller, Romaro 2001 Mississippi 11
Martin, Tee 2000 Tennessee 11
Wallace, Seneca 2003 Iowa State 12
McNabb, Donovan 1999 Syracuse 12
Wachholtz, Kyle 1996 USC 12
Stewart, Kordell 1995 Colorado 12
Marshall, Rasheed 2005 West Virginia 13
Berlin, Brock 2005 Miami 13
Banks, Brad 2003 Iowa 13
O'Donnell, Neil 1990 Maryland 13
Losman, J.P. 2004 Tulane 14
Sorgi, Jim 2004 Wisconsin 14
Garrard, David 2002 East Carolina 14
Madkin, Wayne 2002 Miss. State 14
Jenkins, Oretege 2001 Arizona 14
Marino, Dan 1983 Pittsburgh 14
Smith, Akili 1999 Oregon 15
Culpepper, Daunte 1999 Central Fla. 15
McNair, Steve 1995 Alcorn State 15
Cunningham, Randall 1985 UNLV 15
Kenner, Deontey 2001 Cincinnati 16
Redman, Chris 2000 Louisville 16
Shuler, Heath 1994 Tennessee 16
Grbac, Elvis 1993 Michigan 16
Rutherford, Rod 2004 Pittsburgh 17
Davey, Rohan 2002 LSU 17
Randle El, Antwaan * 2002 Indiana 17
Dantzler, Woodrow * 2002 Clemson 17
Brooks, Aaron 1999 Virginia 17
Blake, Jeff 1992 East Carolina 17
Lemon, Cleo 2001 Ark. State 18
Lucas, Ray 1996 Rutgers 18

**rm18** · 10-28-05, 04:35 AM

That Gambler guy is real smart, he can't deduce that a guy named Darnell Kennedy from a historically black school is black, there are at least 9 black players on that list, there are a few players I am not familiar with.

He gets every black player on the bottom list and misses over 77% on the first one, come on?

**Gambler7** · 10-28-05, 04:45 AM

9?
I missed 9?

No way. do yu know i got 50 on that test.

Kid, 50 is the perfect score

i am not a JANITOR.

**rm18** · 10-28-05, 05:14 AM

9 total, missed 7

Kennedy
Dougherty (just assuming HBC)
Josh Harris
Adrain McPherson
Juston Wood
Jason Thomas

ok maybe just 8, I must have been counting minorities instead of blacks

**aje** · 10-28-05, 06:03 AM

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**bigboydan** · 10-28-05, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Gambler7

Banks, Tony 1996 Michigan State 26

if you ever talked to that guy. he can't read a book, much less a defense

**juuso** · 10-28-05, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by slacker00

Scroll to the bottom to find some white QBs:

Dan Marino 14
Vinny Testeverde 18
Jeff George 10
Neil O'Donnel 13
Elvis Grbac 16

Anyone know what Terry Bradshaw's score was? Sometimes on the FOX pregame it comes up, and I assume it is very very bad. Maybe even in the single digits.

I wouldn't put "too" much stock in these scores, but it IS interesting. I found a sample test and it seems kinda heavy on the math, as many of these kinds of "IQ" tests are. I don't see what math has to do with being an NFL QB. One almost wonders if the "wonderlic" is an old time artifact of the NFL early days and needs to be traded for a more optimum skill test. These numbers are almost meaningless.

That sample test was easy. got all right with no effort.

**raiders72001** · 10-28-05, 07:59 AM

Ganch and JJGold would score in the 40s.

**raiders72001** · 10-28-05, 08:03 AM

SBR wonderlic scores

Ganch 45
JJGOld 42
rm 40
AK 35
Dozer 32
John 25
HappyBoy 18
BuddyBear 15
Taco 10

**Shawn01** · 10-28-05, 09:42 AM

Dan Marino scored a 14 on this and Quincy Carter scored a 30. That doesn't bode well for the credibility of this test. I like that Tackles score as high as newswriters. Will we see Johnathon Ogden as Chief Editor of the NY Times in the future?