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  • floki
    SBR MVP
    • 02-07-19
    • 1139

    #1
    hydroxychloroquine
    More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study




    A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

    The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.
    The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.


    Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.
    About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
    Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.
    Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.
    Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.
    Many doctors have been leery of the drug.
    At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.
    Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not” and needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis.
    The NIH and others have more rigorous tests underway.

    https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2
  • Brock Landers
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 06-30-08
    • 45360

    #2
    Big failure

    Then Again, is anyone surprised??
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    • RudyRuetigger
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-24-10
      • 65086

      #3
      widely touted?

      he said maybe it will work, maybe it wont

      stop being a little bitch
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      • jt315
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-12-11
        • 21697

        #4
        Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
        widely touted?

        he said maybe it will work, maybe it wont

        stop being a little bitch

        Like saying chemo killed a person on his death bed with cancer . You can’t fix stupid .

        The TDS is real .
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        • RudyRuetigger
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-24-10
          • 65086

          #5
          Originally posted by jt315
          Like saying chemo killed a person on his death bed with cancer . You can’t fix stupid .

          The TDS is real .
          exactly

          he literally said maybe itll work, maybe it wont but he is hopeful because he is a positive guy

          but we will wait and see



          then you had the death in arizona because they took fish water cleaner or some bullshit that had a name that was kind of similar


          just retard democrats
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          • gauchojake
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 09-17-10
            • 34103

            #6


            What about that doctor in France tho??????????????????????????100% Cure rate.

            You can't deny those numbers.
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            • RudyRuetigger
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-24-10
              • 65086

              #7
              Originally posted by gauchojake


              What about that doctor in France tho??????????????????????????100% Cure rate.

              You can't deny those numbers.
              a few areas had positive results, including china

              quit being a dumbass
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              • Hushie
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 11-02-19
                • 747

                #8
                Originally posted by gauchojake


                What about that doctor in France tho??????????????????????????100% Cure rate.

                You can't deny those numbers.
                It was 78 out of 80 that recovered. 2 died.
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                • vitterd
                  Restricted User
                  • 09-14-17
                  • 58460

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jt315
                  Like saying chemo killed a person on his death bed with cancer . You can’t fix stupid .

                  The TDS is real .
                  Another great trump, Ingraham and jt315 call. Jesus you’re an idiot. Keep listening to doctor trump!!
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388189

                    #10
                    We need a breakthrough guys
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                    • gauchojake
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 09-17-10
                      • 34103

                      #11
                      Oseltamivir
                      Ribavirin
                      Keletra
                      Favipiravir

                      These are the drugs the Chinese were using to manage the disease.
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                      • jt315
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-12-11
                        • 21697

                        #12
                        Originally posted by vitterd
                        Another great trump, Ingraham and jt315 call. Jesus you’re an idiot. Keep listening to doctor trump!!
                        Keep parroting the fake news that he called it a game changer you illiterate waste .
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                        • blackbart
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-04-07
                          • 3833

                          #13
                          28% of what? probably taking about single digit sample sizes
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                          • cecil127
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-19-09
                            • 7310

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

                            because he is a positive guy

                            lol
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                            • JIBBBY
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 12-10-09
                              • 83691

                              #15
                              I'd take it if I was choking on Corona and dying in a split second.. Proven to work with many patients in other Countries already..
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                              • grease lightnin
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 10-01-12
                                • 16015

                                #16
                                Originally posted by gauchojake
                                Oseltamivir
                                Ribavirin
                                Keletra
                                Favipiravir

                                These are the drugs the Chinese were using to manage the disease.
                                Related to Remedisvir?
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                                • gauchojake
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 09-17-10
                                  • 34103

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                  Related to Remedisvir?
                                  I'm not really sure. I got this list of crap that someone wanted to sell me from China early on in this thing. These drugs were part of a bigger list.

                                  I believe the drugs are related in the sense that they are antiviral medications focused on RNA viruses. Did you know that Covid is made of RNA?

                                  I'm not a chemist, biologist, virologist, and did not stay at a Holiday inn last night, but I believe SBR has a collection of some of the best public health professionals the world has ever seen. They are experts in population health, advanced medical models, infection control, and I'm sure if we ask they will opine.
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                                  • pimike
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 03-23-08
                                    • 37139

                                    #18
                                    Left is sick people!

                                    Read thread after thread praising and hoping for the worse and failure of this country.


                                    Thread after thread of looking for the worse in anything our president does. Even all the good they twist it into a negative.


                                    Sick people. Major Hypocrites as well.

                                    Just stop this already!
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                                    • pologq
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-07-12
                                      • 19899

                                      #19
                                      anal sex is a good protocol for helping women, spread the word
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                                      • grease lightnin
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 10-01-12
                                        • 16015

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by gauchojake
                                        I'm not really sure. I got this list of crap that someone wanted to sell me from China early on in this thing. These drugs were part of a bigger list.

                                        I believe the drugs are related in the sense that they are antiviral medications focused on RNA viruses. Did you know that Covid is made of RNA?

                                        I'm not a chemist, biologist, virologist, and did not stay at a Holiday inn last night, but I believe SBR has a collection of some of the best public health professionals the world has ever seen. They are experts in population health, advanced medical models, infection control, and I'm sure if we ask they will opine.

                                        Haha. I DID stay at a Holiday Inn last night!!!


                                        I asked because 3 of the names had “vir” in them so thought maybe they are related.
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                                        • GUMMO77
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-23-10
                                          • 9294

                                          #21
                                          Trump is wrong again.

                                          Nothing new.

                                          Time to move on.
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                                          • JohnGalt2341
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-31-09
                                            • 9138

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                            exactly

                                            he literally said maybe itll work, maybe it wont but he is hopeful because he is a positive guy

                                            but we will wait and see



                                            then you had the death in arizona because they took fish water cleaner or some bullshit that had a name that was kind of similar


                                            just retard democrats
                                            This would be great if the chances of any adverse side effects were nearly non-existent. But it doesn't seem like this is the case. We are stilling trying to determine if the potential benefits outweigh the risks.

                                            The problem with testing drugs like this is... we have to compare what percentage of people get better on their own vs people taking the drug. We don't know for certain if the drug is helping them get better or if they just got better on their own... like many people do. For instance... let's say you gave 100 people hydroxychloriquine and 100 people you gave nothing. If both groups have a similar recovery rate... why should we assume that the drug is doing anything at all?

                                            What I am saying is... it's likely we just don't know yet. AND, it appears that there seems to be more risk than what was originally spouted by Trump. It's not like taking a Tylenol for a headache... "maybe it'll work, maybe it won't". There appears to be much more risk with this. And THIS is why the "maybe it'll work, maybe it won't" attitude is not a good one.
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                                            • Hman
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-04-17
                                              • 21429

                                              #23
                                              I think we've come to learn over the years that we aren't near as far along in medical advances as we are many other technologies.
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                                              • gauchojake
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 09-17-10
                                                • 34103

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by grease lightnin
                                                Haha. I DID stay at a Holiday Inn last night!!!


                                                I asked because 3 of the names had “vir” in them so thought maybe they are related.
                                                Yeah I think vir stands for virus.
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                                                • pimike
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 03-23-08
                                                  • 37139

                                                  #25
                                                  Fake news again
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                                                  • cincinnatikid513
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 11-23-17
                                                    • 45360

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by pimike
                                                    Fake news again
                                                    are u sure fake news sounds alot like i don't like the news
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                                                    • flyingillini
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 12-06-06
                                                      • 41219

                                                      #27
                                                      God Bless Trump!
                                                      המוסד‎
                                                      המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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                                                      • stake1
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-19-18
                                                        • 18116

                                                        #28
                                                        Emergency room docs and nurses all
                                                        taking Plaquenil. Trump keeps winning and saving lives!
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                                                        • cincinnatikid513
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 11-23-17
                                                          • 45360

                                                          #29
                                                          lots of kool aid drinkers
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                                                          • gummo
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-04-06
                                                            • 6297

                                                            #30
                                                            you can find a study to support any side.
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                                                            • pimike
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 03-23-08
                                                              • 37139

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by cincinnatikid513
                                                              are u sure fake news sounds alot like i don't like the news
                                                              Was debunked. Doctors spoke on tv tonight how it worked.

                                                              Libs just lie
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                                                              • cincinnatikid513
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 11-23-17
                                                                • 45360

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by pimike
                                                                Was debunked. Doctors spoke on tv tonight how it worked.

                                                                Libs just lie
                                                                what about virginia study and brazil stopping similiar drug due to heart problems
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                                                                • turbobets
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 01-13-06
                                                                  • 994

                                                                  #33
                                                                  210 out of 368 patients were given hydroxycloroquine.
                                                                  Median age of patients was approximately 69.
                                                                  236 out of 368 patients were African American.

                                                                  However, hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likelyto be prescribed to patients with more severe disease, as assessed by baseline ventilatory statusand metabolic and hematologic parameters. Thus, as expected, increased mortality was observedin patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, both with and without azithromycin.
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                                                                  • gauchojake
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 09-17-10
                                                                    • 34103

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I swear I think the investment in a medical degree might be worth it these days. Not for actually treating anyone but for becoming a YT star or reality TV personality. You can basically just make shit up and if you have Dr. in front of your name there are millions of retards who just believe what you say without doing any research whatsoever. It's really pretty amazing what a good camera and a conspiracy theory will do for the pocketbook these days.

                                                                    No need for any of that pesky peer review nonsense or any actual science for that matter, just appeal to the 85 IQ crowd and off you go like a fukkin rocket.
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                                                                    • Fishhead
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 08-11-05
                                                                      • 40179

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by pimike
                                                                      Left is sick people!

                                                                      Read thread after thread praising and hoping for the worse and failure of this country.


                                                                      Thread after thread of looking for the worse in anything our president does. Even all the good they twist it into a negative.


                                                                      Sick people. Major Hypocrites as well.

                                                                      Just stop this already!


                                                                      THIS

                                                                      What's sad is they don't acknowledge this FACT
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