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  • DiggityDaggityDo
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-30-08
    • 81454

    #1
    Are you betting the Virtual Kentucky Derby on Saturday?



    What's the play?
  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388189

    #2
    How dies secretariat lose??
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    • BIGDAY
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 02-17-10
      • 48245

      #3
      No. I’m busy #ShelteringInPlace
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      • DiggityDaggityDo
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 11-30-08
        • 81454

        #4
        Originally posted by BIGDAY
        No. I’m busy #ShelteringInPlace
        BigDay I saw you on tv outside the governor's house protesting.

        You were carrying a USA flag and wearing a MAGA hat.
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        • SBR_Guest_Pro
          SBR MVP
          • 02-10-15
          • 3955

          #5
          isn't this easier for them to rig the outcome?
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          • big joe 1212
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 06-01-08
            • 19379

            #6
            Originally posted by jjgold
            How dies secretariat lose??
            He dies a long time ago
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            • BIGDAY
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 02-17-10
              • 48245

              #7
              Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo
              BigDay I saw you on tv outside the governor's house protesting.

              You were carrying a USA flag and wearing a MAGA hat.
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              • CWD
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 01-22-12
                • 7667

                #8
                plz put this in the mickey mouse book sportsbook
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                • dark star
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-04-09
                  • 3900

                  #9
                  6-5 Ice Cold
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                  • gummo
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-04-06
                    • 6297

                    #10
                    I will take a shot with Citation.
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                    • CWD
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 01-22-12
                      • 7667

                      #11
                      all in AP
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                      • cincinnatikid513
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 11-23-17
                        • 45360

                        #12
                        wheres thunder gulch or mine that bird
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                        • DiggityDaggityDo
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 11-30-08
                          • 81454

                          #13
                          Maybe 3 and 6?
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                          • Optional
                            Administrator
                            • 06-10-10
                            • 60668

                            #14
                            HOW THEY DID IT


                            To create this race of champions, select officials from Churchill Downs analyzed past-performance information for each of the 13 Triple Crown winners and also researched the respected opinions of distinguished horse racing experts who have evaluated those horses’ achievements and put them into historical perspective.

                            The results of this research led to each horse getting assigned a “fundamental probability,” as Inspired Entertainment refers to it — basically, the overall chance that horse has to win this race.

                            The horse assigned the highest winning probability isn’t necessarily going to cross the virtual finish line first Saturday evening. Rogers compared the process for choosing a winner to the NBA lottery system and its ping-pong ball display.

                            “Essentially, the result is determined by a weighted lottery system,” he said. “So think of the NBA lottery — if there were 100 numbered table tennis balls, and one is drawn to determine the winner. Twenty of the balls in the bin may have the number of the horse considered to be the favorite in the race. And then the horse deemed to be the longest shot in the field may only have two of the balls. Now, in the end, the randomly drawn ball is going to determine the winner.

                            “We have fed into their computer models and assessed, basically, a win probability percentage for each horse.”

                            So, just like in real horse races, luck — good and bad — will play a factor. The “best” horse won’t necessarily win the race. An upset could occur.

                            Though there is no official wagering through Churchill Downs on Saturday’s virtual race, veteran oddsmaker Mike Battaglia has a set a morning line. Secretariat — the 1973 champion who many consider to be the greatest Thoroughbred in American racing history — is the 7-2 favorite.

                            “I’ve got to give Secretariat the edge,” said Battaglia, who has set the morning line at Churchill Downs since 1974. “This was a really fun morning line to make and I’m looking forward to the race.”

                            The longest shots are Assault, Sir Barton, Gallant Fox and Omaha, all at 20-1.

                            “I didn’t have the heart to hang more than 20-1 odds on a Triple Crown winner!” Battaglia quipped in a press release this week.

                            Rogers said it’s important to note that Battaglia was not aware of the probabilities Churchill Downs and Inspired Entertainment used to create Saturday’s race, and his morning line is “totally independent” of the data provided to make the final result. (The independent gambling website BetOnline.Ag released its own odds Thursday — with Secretariat as a 2-1 favorite — and that site is actually taking wagers on the virtual race).

                            Rogers also noted that the probabilities assigned to each horse were based on research encompassing that horse’s entire career, not just the races leading up to each Triple Crown winner’s respective Derby. And if you’re handicapping at home, you don’t have to take the slop into account. Unlike the past few Kentucky Derbys, which have been soaked with rain, the simulated edition will be run under ideal conditions.

                            “Since it’s a fantasy, it’s sunny and 75 and we have a fast track,” Rogers said.

                            This virtual race has already been run. Rogers said only two people at Churchill Downs know the result. He estimated a similar number of people on the NBC Sports production crew, as well as a small number at Inspired Entertainment, had also seen it.


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                            • DiggityDaggityDo
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 11-30-08
                              • 81454

                              #15
                              Need somebody on the inside with the scoop
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                              • CWD
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 01-22-12
                                • 7667

                                #16
                                diggity cash in a favor get this in SBR Book u got some juice
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                                • DiggityDaggityDo
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 11-30-08
                                  • 81454

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by CWD
                                  diggity cash in a favor get this in SBR Book u got some juice
                                  Opti?

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                                  • Optional
                                    Administrator
                                    • 06-10-10
                                    • 60668

                                    #18
                                    I'm not sure I'd personally recommend offering odds on trust the gaming company & racecourse people & NBC can all keep it a secret. But can't hurt to ask.
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                                    • BigJay
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-14-12
                                      • 3485

                                      #19
                                      How does that horse that holds the record for fastest time in all three triple crown races lose?
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                                      • JBEX
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-02-12
                                        • 22961

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by BigJay
                                        How does that horse that holds the record for fastest time in all three triple crown races lose?

                                        he shouldn't and if he does it's ridiculous
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                                        • DiggityDaggityDo
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 11-30-08
                                          • 81454

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Optional
                                          I'm not sure I'd personally recommend offering odds on trust the gaming company & racecourse people & NBC can all keep it a secret. But can't hurt to ask.
                                          Opti, this can be just like the Puppy Bowl all over again and we can get rich!
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                                          • Optional
                                            Administrator
                                            • 06-10-10
                                            • 60668

                                            #22
                                            Boom baby. Make it rain hot gushing points all over my back.
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                                            • pologq
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 10-07-12
                                              • 19899

                                              #23
                                              interesting theory but do not trust that it is legit
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                                              • littlekona
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 11-19-15
                                                • 5241

                                                #24
                                                so if you take the NBA analogy my bet would be one of the +800 leaning towards Affirmed and I am sure you can shop prices since many are offering
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                                                • ThaTopMoron
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 04-30-10
                                                  • 27017

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo



                                                  What's the play?
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                                                  • BigJay
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 01-14-12
                                                    • 3485

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo



                                                    What's the play?
                                                    Heritage actually has odds on this and has Secretariat at -180.

                                                    About par for the course on their normal shitty futures odds.
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                                                    • unlearn
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 03-22-14
                                                      • 8980

                                                      #27
                                                      Hell yes I am. 3 for 100 obv
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                                                      • gummo
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 09-04-06
                                                        • 6297

                                                        #28
                                                        Secretariat still lost 5 races in his career.
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                                                        • JBEX
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 01-02-12
                                                          • 22961

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JBEX
                                                          he shouldn't and if he does it's ridiculous
                                                          I have to go in another direction than secretariat... sure he's the most likely winner but won't be weighted as heavily in their process factoring in they're looking at whole careers
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                                                          • BigJay
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-14-12
                                                            • 3485

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                                            I have to go in another direction than secretariat... sure he's the most likely winner but won't be weighted as heavily in their process factoring in they're looking at whole careers
                                                            Taking that into account, Affirmed, Count Fleet and War Admiral would be worth a few bucks at decent odds.
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388189

                                                              #31
                                                              Taking chalk
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                                                              • JBEX
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-02-12
                                                                • 22961

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by BigJay
                                                                Taking that into account, Affirmed, Count Fleet and War Admiral would be worth a few bucks at decent odds.

                                                                yes I think that's the smart way to go..ap and secretariat too obvious..justify makes no sense for obvious reasons (6 races)..take one with a longer career which all of the above that you mentioned did
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                                                                • JBEX
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                                  • 22961

                                                                  #33
                                                                  not even sure that's legit as back to citation and before it was common to run more frequently than modern times..so really not a fair comparison..if you stick with a modern horse after secretariat affirmed had the most starts and also the closest time to secretariats of the bunch
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                                                                  • DiggityDaggityDo
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 11-30-08
                                                                    • 81454

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                                    Boom baby. Make it rain hot gushing points all over my back.
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                                                                    • SBR_Guest_Pro
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 02-10-15
                                                                      • 3955

                                                                      #35
                                                                      so best chance to win is to bet the "long shots"
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