South Korea backtracks, shuts down bars and restaurants again.

[JIBBBY]

There is always gonna be someone with the virus, what you gonna do never open up the economy again, shut down and open up and then shut down again when one person has it and it spreads a bit?

Gotta learn to live with it.. It's not that deadly of a virus.. Healthy people don't even get symptoms. Old, fat sickly people should just stay home. All the pro athletes that got Corona didn't even show symptoms.. It's a joke if you are healthy or young..

[Mike Huntertz]

I respect your view but Sweden VS New York is a poor example.
Population density has been determined as a huge indicator of spread.
Age and fitness, health and race are also big indicators of mortality. There are few old, overweight blacks in Sweden.
Sweden is one of the fittest and healthiest pop. in the world.
That is a major reason they embarked on this strategy. Try it in FatCity USA and the numbers would be horrific. We will see......

Sweden has no lockdown and only 25k cases. New york with lockdown has 333k cases. Lockdown is useless and it's just a flu.

[5mike5]

the mis information contained in this thread is mind boggling
kind of explains why the usa is in such a terrible state

[mezmurized2]

the mis information contained in this thread is mind boggling
kind of explains why the usa is in such a terrible state

Ya, it sort of looks that way at times...

Being a compassionate older gent I kinda understand the various levels of
fear, confusion, anger, resentment, anxiety, stress, and just boredom too.
It's human.
And this mess is unprecedented since WWII.

Those of us who were young men in the 70s
will remember this: https://tinyurl.com/y3u7fe6e

[pavyracer]

Bars and dine in restaurants need to open in the US. A lot of desperate single women looking for a hook up.

[mezmurized2]

As far as I know Sweden also acknowledge that they have much wider spread and higher death rate than their neighbors at the moment, but that's because they intentionally are months ahead of the other countries due to their strategy. Come 2021, they expect Norway and Finland to have equal or maybe even more deaths / million residents.

Sweden's main goal is to protect the risk groups but otherwise let the virus spread at as high of a pace as possible as long as it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals etc.

Is it the right strategy and would it even work the same way in other countries with different cultures? Who knows...

Good point

[zam77]

Maybe people need to stop being afraid of the worst case scenario fear mongering media and realize getting sick has always been a part of life but being afraid of getting sick has not. Unless you’re a hypochondriac which is exactly what the media and government is successfully creating a ton of every single day we stay on lockdown for a virus with this low of a fatality rate.

[Mike Huntertz]

There should/could be a happy medium. I just can't imagine NY without any intervention.
It was bad with measures but without it would have been a nightmare.
Other jurisdictions might have been okay.

Maybe people need to stop being afraid of the worst case scenario fear mongering media and realize getting sick has always been a part of life but being afraid of getting sick has not. Unless you’re a hypochondriac which is exactly what the media and government is successfully creating a ton of every single day we stay on lockdown for a virus with this low of a fatality rate.

[JIBBBY]

maybe people need to stop being afraid of the worst case scenario fear mongering media and realize getting sick has always been a part of life but being afraid of getting sick has not. Unless you’re a hypochondriac which is exactly what the media and government is successfully creating a ton of every single day we stay on lockdown for a virus with this low of a fatality rate.

Truth!!!!

[zam77]

Fauci buries this info deep in the end of the 3rd paragraph........Article is dated March 26th, 2020
Full article below.......


https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056...icleTools=true



end of 3rd paragraph below........


This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

[mezmurized2]

There should/could be a happy medium. I just can't imagine NY without any intervention.
It was bad with measures but without it would have been a nightmare.
Other jurisdictions might have been okay.

Truth!!!!

But now we are seeing NY numbers go down ahile the rest of the country is going UP

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

Truth!!!!

But now we are seeing NY numbers go down ahile the rest of the country is going UP

huh? California isn't going up...

[Gaze73]

Covid-19 has KILLED just over

73,000just in the last 39 days!!!

Did it, though? If you jump off a cliff with coronavirus they'll count it as death by coronavirus. They're inflating the numbers to justify the lockdown and take our freedoms.

They also keep saying the hospitals are overwhelmed but people who went to check them out found empty hospitals and nurses recording tik tok videos.

[carolinakid]

they got to kept the numbers up for the states to get fed money.....

[Mike Huntertz]

Not true. If you leave a Drs. office, given 2 weeks to live and are hit by a car. Your death is registered as a motor vehicle fatality.

[COLOR=#000000]

Did it, though? If you jump off a cliff with coronavirus they'll count it as death by coronavirus. They're inflating the numbers to justify the lockdown and take our freedoms.

They also keep saying the hospitals are overwhelmed but people who went to check them out found empty hospitals and nurses recording tik tok videos.

[lonegambler23]

huh? California isn't going up...

lmao i find it hard to believe that coo coo california isnt going up

[lonegambler23]

huh? California isn't going up...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-10/california-coronavirus-cases-deaths-rising-more-than-expected

lol

[blackbart]

As far as I know Sweden also acknowledge that they have much wider spread and higher death rate than their neighbors at the moment, but that's because they intentionally are months ahead of the other countries due to their strategy. Come 2021, they expect Norway and Finland to have equal or maybe even more deaths / million residents.

Sweden's main goal is to protect the risk groups but otherwise let the virus spread at as high of a pace as possible as long as it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals etc.

Is it the right strategy and would it even work the same way in other countries with different cultures? Who knows...

another misconception, show me one sweden or any expert exposing this premise

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

Bars and dine in restaurants need to open in the US. A lot of desperate single women looking for a hook up.

That's a very good point. They are juicin to get out of the house and smash

[juicername]

another misconception, show me one sweden or any expert exposing this premise

Google translated quote from the guy in charge of their strategy:

"Anders Tegnell, state epidemiologist, has defended the Swedish strategy.
- It's about trying to keep the spread of infection as much as possible so that you can manage to deal with it. We follow the development and adapt the measures but, for example, it is not possible to open and close the schools every few weeks, Tegnell has previously said in an interview with TT."

[mezmurized2]

huh? California isn't going up...

Maybe you're right.
So for clarification when I stated "the rest of the country"
I meant collectively -- not that each and every other 49 states was rising.
Sorry for the confusion.

[mezmurized2]

[QUOTE=Gaze73;29436685]

Did it, though? If you jump off a cliff with coronavirus they'll count it as death by coronavirus. They're inflating the numbers to justify the lockdown and take our freedoms.

Please provide links to valid, credible sources to support your assertion.
I ask because I've been actively investigating COVID-19 stories and
while I have heard conspiracy theories (many) I have yet to see anyone
produce proof.

Keep in mind it has been reported that covid-19 death is more likely
to be UNDERreported - largely due to lack of testing to prove covid-19,
especially in the January and February when accurate testing was not
frequently available...

They also keep saying the hospitals are overwhelmed but people who went to check them out found empty hospitals and nurses recording tik tok videos.

THEY don't say *ALL* hospitals EVERYWHERE are completely overwhelmed. Certainly some were in NY at one point.
And certainly many in Spain and Italy.

Then too we have to remember, many people with ailments or even some injuries,
just do NOT want to risk going to a hospital for fear of catching the virus.
Thus, fewer "other patients" in the hospitals than usual, so in some cases it
might appear as if the hospital is largely vacant. This is logical.

Also, I wonder the impact of many either not having health insurance to begin with
or losing coverage from massive layoffs around the nation - since the virus
appears to be hitting much harder on low income population -- would/is impacting hospitalization rates.

[teecee]

Everyone is so concerned about the disease, but not one thread touching on the idea of contact tracing and civil liberties. I guess everyone is willing to hand over their credit-cards and smart phones to some stranger at our door.

[blackbart]

Google translated quote from the guy in charge of their strategy:

"Anders Tegnell, state epidemiologist, has defended the Swedish strategy.
- It's about trying to keep the spread of infection as much as possibleso that you can manage to deal with it. We follow the development and adapt the measures but, for example, it is not possible to open and close the schools every few weeks, Tegnell has previously said in an interview with TT."

[QUOTE=juicername;29437512]Google translated quote from the guy in charge of their strategy:

"Anders Tegnell, state epidemiologist, has defended the Swedish strategy.


- It's about trying to keep the spread of infection as much as possible

[juicername]

[QUOTE=blackbart;29437706]

Google translated quote from the guy in charge of their strategy:

"Anders Tegnell, state epidemiologist, has defended the Swedish strategy.


- It's about trying to keep the spread of infection as much as possible

"... so that you can manage to deal with it." The translation doesn't completely do the quote justice either.

I actually think we're on the same page. If I made it sound like I believe they're doing nothing and letting the virus spread freely that's not what I meant.

[pavyracer]

If you want to build herd immunity you got to let people back in bars. If some die it is the price you pay for freedom.

[Mike Huntertz]

There are more unanswered questions about herd immunity than answered.
This so new that every day new things arise. i.e. In NY, strangely almost a 100 children have been infected with an inflammatory problem with 5 dying. They are looking at links to COVid.
A new day, a new problem.

If you want to build herd immunity you got to let people back in bars. If some die it is the price you pay for freedom.