ESPN NBA all time top ten players list

[gojetsgomoxies]

20 best seasons ever by win rate = wilt >>MJ>>kareem>lebron...... so that's 4 of the perennial 6. add magic and russell. maybe substitute bird for magic. or drop magic... gets u to 5 or 6......

big drop-off after top 5 or 6 on just about any list i've seen.

[gojetsgomoxies]

i can study tiger woods all i want, it won't make me a top golfer..

kobe is exciting and fearless but not a top 5 player ever (i'd say not top 10 but i won't argue if you put him 10th)

[SteveKerrsJunk]

i can study tiger woods all i want, it won't make me a top golfer..

kobe is exciting and fearless but not a top 5 player ever (i'd say not top 10 but i won't argue if you put him 10th)

Kobe was lucky to have had Shaq and Phil carry him that first 3peat. Kobe also turned out to be a little bitch when he snitched on Shaq and the entire team having side-pieces on live TV. School yard bitch, no wonder so many guys didn't like Kobe. Kobe ain't better than Tim Duncan, give Tim Duncan another 6 shots a game in his career. 44% playoff shooter for Kobe. Yeah, the guy was all-time, lmfao.

Shaq spitting truth.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

vs. Nets
Gmscore
Game 1: Shaq 36/16/1/4 26.1 Kobe 22/3/6/1 14.5
Game 2: Shaq 40/12/8/1 35.0 Kobe 24/8/3/2 19.5
Game 3: Shaq 35/11/2/4 31.2 Kobe 36/6/4/2 24.5 (6 TO's)
Game 4: Shaq 34/10/4/2 28.0 Kobe 25/6/8/2 22.6

15 games for Shaq, 0 for Kobe in the finals. Kobe Bryant didn't outplay Shaq a single game of the 3peat. Kinda tough to argue yourself as the GOAT when you weren't even the GOAT on your own team.

[IBetYou]

He basically drove Shaq out of LA. Wanted to be top dog. Pau was perfect, a beta male. So he got to shoot as many shots as he wanted. Got to call himself leader and push any narrative he wanted without resistance.

Most of the Lakers' team was on Shaq's side back in the first 3peat so when Shaq complained about shots Fisher/ Fox/ Shaw etc made sure he got the ball a LOT. Only time Pau ever complained about Bryant's self-indulgence was when the bus was going off the cliff!

Lakers were always at their best when they were feeding the low post. I remember having bet in so many of their games that if anything was said regarding post touches they'd be a good bet the next game.

[carolinakid]

we know now shaq cant rap too good......i guess you got to be drunk to listen to it anyway...

[IBetYou]

we know now shaq cant rap too good......i guess you got to be drunk to listen to it anyway...

Yeah, strange lyrics. I got a vasectomy, now I can't breed 'em. Kobe tell me how my ass taste. Err what?!

[shadymcgrady]

Legacy wise Kobe and Duncan almost dead even and certainly in the top 10 of all time. LeBron probably sits somewhere in that range currently and isn't close to being done yet.

Goat is still feeling the tragic loss of mamba and would rather look cool like Kobe and lose by 30 with 50 attempts than win with fundamentals like Duncan

[Goat Milk]

6-24 0-6 from 3 11-15 FT with 2 assists/4 turnovers in a game 7. Brutal. His game score was 9.9 compared to Pau Gasol's 10-13, 18 boards, 9 O-boards, 4 assists/1 turnover 2 blocks with a 20 game score...22 missed shots for Kobe Bryant, he could've built a house with all those game 7 bricks.

Like I said, Bryant was double teamed all series, all game, even tripled. Funny how you didn't mention Bryant had 15 rebounds in game 7, which led the team. In a game where both teams were bricking, one of the smallest guys on the court grabbed the most rebounds...

Bryant averaged 29 a game that series vs. arguably the best defensive team ever. Enough from you.

[Goat Milk]

Legacy wise Kobe and Duncan almost dead even and certainly in the top 10 of all time. LeBron probably sits somewhere in that range currently and isn't close to being done yet.

Goat is still feeling the tragic loss of mamba and would rather look cool like Kobe and lose by 30 with 50 attempts than win with fundamentals like Duncan

Dude Duncan averaged 19 and 11 for his career, and this is a guy who started playing 35 40 minutes a night from day 1. Kobe averaged 25 5 and 5 for his career and barely even played his first 2 years. Also ended up with more defensive 1st teams than Duncan and more overall NBA 1st teams. Gold medals. Shit on Duncan's resume. Shit on him as a player if you take away all the numbers. Every current and former NBA player will say Kobe Bryant is a better player than Duncan. If you did a 500 person survey of those players, I'd be surprised if you found 15 ppl that said Duncan was better.

So what do you have to say about that?

[Goat Milk]

vs. Nets
Gmscore
Game 1: Shaq 36/16/1/4 26.1 Kobe 22/3/6/1 14.5
Game 2: Shaq 40/12/8/1 35.0 Kobe 24/8/3/2 19.5
Game 3: Shaq 35/11/2/4 31.2 Kobe 36/6/4/2 24.5 (6 TO's)
Game 4: Shaq 34/10/4/2 28.0 Kobe 25/6/8/2 22.6

15 games for Shaq, 0 for Kobe in the finals. Kobe Bryant didn't outplay Shaq a single game of the 3peat. Kinda tough to argue yourself as the GOAT when you weren't even the GOAT on your own team.

No one said he outplayed shaq during the finals. Kobe was a kid, dude. Shaq was in his prime. Kobe had huge moments in the finals. Look at these kids today, can't even make the first round.

Kobe averaged 30 pts 7 rebounds and 6 assists the year they won the 3rd championship. How old was the kid? Like 23? How many 23 year olds today are putting up those numbers playing next to a force like Shaq?

Incredible.

[shadymcgrady]

Dude Duncan averaged 19 and 11 for his career, and this is a guy who started playing 35 40 minutes a night from day 1. Kobe averaged 25 5 and 5 for his career and barely even played his first 2 years. Also ended up with more defensive 1st teams than Duncan and more overall NBA 1st teams. Gold medals. Shit on Duncan's resume. Shit on him as a player if you take away all the numbers. Every current and former NBA player will say Kobe Bryant is a better player than Duncan. If you did a 500 person survey of those players, I'd be surprised if you found 15 ppl that said Duncan was better.

So what do you have to say about that?

I'd say you feel strongly about it goat, when is ESPN or tnt calling for your resume? Give some of us a shout out on Nat tv when they do

[Goat Milk]

That third year, during the year, Shaq said, and I quote word for word, "Kobe is the best player in the world."

Ya'll remember that or were you snoozing?

Once Shaq left LA he was a shell of himself, why Kobe went on to dominate the NBA for 10 more years straight.

No comparison between the two.

[Goat Milk]

I'd say you feel strongly about it goat, when is ESPN or tnt calling for your resume? Give some of us a shout out on Nat tv when they do

Just spitting facts. Not going to ever convince me a guy like Tim Duncan who Kobe put on his poster several times is as good as Bryant. Great piece, great power forward, never struck fear in players like MJ or Bryant or even James. That's the measuring stick. The measuring stick of greatness is how scared your opponents are of you. That's very rare, and Duncan didn't have that.

[shadymcgrady]

Just spitting facts. Not going to ever convince me a guy like Tim Duncan who Kobe put on his poster several times is as good as Bryant. Great piece, great power forward, never struck fear in players like MJ or Bryant or even James. That's the measuring stick. The measuring stick of greatness is how scared your opponents are of you. That's very rare, and Duncan didn't have that.

I tend to agree naturally but try to always see the other side. Duncan was a great player bc he did alot of things that don't show up on highlight reels or boxscores.

Nash considered him the best player after Jordan in his career. He made Parker and manu, Kerr has also testified to his winning mentality numerous times.

Duncan couldn't jump 8 inches and got posterized by Kobe many times yet he has had more success from a winning standpoint than Kobe in regular season and playoff wins. Not easily dismissed just bc Kobe was a better athlete

[Goat Milk]

i can study tiger woods all i want, it won't make me a top golfer..

kobe is exciting and fearless but not a top 5 player ever (i'd say not top 10 but i won't argue if you put him 10th)

All the players you named except MJ can't do anything on the court that Kobe could. Bryant was much more skilled than Magic, it wasn't even close. Magic was a better passer and that's it. I would say that Kobe was even a better rebounder, Magic put up better numbers in that stat because the game was way faster back then, all the stats were inflated as fuk.

Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds in the NBA finals game 7 vs. Boston who was full of amazing rebounders, including the smallest guy on the court, Rondo.

Kobe was a better shooter than magic.
Better midrange.
Better in the paint.
Better post player.
Much better defender.
Clutcher.
More athletic.

So if you want to just go by skill, and even throw everything else out, I don't see anyone except Jordan and perhaps Lebron who you can put on Kobe's level in terms of skill.

Larry Bird better player than Kobe Bryant?

Lmfao.

If Kobe played Bird 1 on 1 he'd win 4-0. It'd be a clean sweep. There's a 0 percent chance that Bird can guard Bryant, and there a 100% chance that Bryant would smother Larry Bird.

[Goat Milk]

I tend to agree naturally but try to always see the other side. Duncan was a great player bc he did alot of things that don't show up on highlight reels or boxscores.

Nash considered him the best player after Jordan in his career. He made Parker and manu, Kerr has also testified to his winning mentality numerous times.

Duncan couldn't jump 8 inches and got posterized by Kobe many times yet he has had more success from a winning standpoint than Kobe in regular season and playoff wins. Not easily dismissed just bc Kobe was a better athlete

Duncan was great but the man gets way too much credit. He had more wins in the reg season than Kobe because Kobe played on shit teams for like 5 years after Shaq left while Duncan played with Hall of Famers his entire career.

Kobe also beat more 50+ win teams in the playoffs than any player in history. Duncan was the ultimate team player and glue guy but realistically you just knew that Tim Duncan could not and would not ever beat you by himself.

That was the thing with Bryant and Jordan, that's what teams always feared. Like we can play great, and this guy can come and drop 50 and beat us single handedly if his team is playing poor. If Duncan's team was playing bad, the Spurs were done. if the Lakers played bad, they always still had a chance to win cause Bryant could drop 70. No one else in history can do that bro. It's highly underappreciated.

[shadymcgrady]

Duncan was great but the man gets way too much credit. He had more wins in the reg season than Kobe because Kobe played on shit teams for like 5 years after Shaq left while Duncan played with Hall of Famers his entire career.

Kobe also beat more 50+ win teams in the playoffs than any player in history. Duncan was the ultimate team player and glue guy but realistically you just knew that Tim Duncan could not and would not ever beat you by himself.

That was the thing with Bryant and Jordan, that's what teams always feared. Like we can play great, and this guy can come and drop 50 and beat us single handedly if his team is playing poor. If Duncan's team was playing bad, the Spurs were done. if the Lakers played bad, they always still had a chance to win cause Bryant could drop 70. No one else in history can do that bro. It's highly underappreciated.

That's not breaking news for me, I already leaned that way initially. Just exploring more opinions

[IBetYou]

People feared him because he shot the ball about 50 times a game so he was going to get his stats, and he talked trash constantly. Tim Duncan was focused on making his teammates better. It's easier to lose to guy that is so gracious and unassuming.

As for 15 rebounds in a game big penetrating deal. He was guarding Rondo... this meant he could roam free. 6'7 isn't small anyway. Give it up buddy

[stevenash]

Chamberlain was a chucker.

Rank	Player	FGA	Season
1	Wilt Chamberlain*	3159	1961-62
2	Wilt Chamberlain*	2770	1962-63
3	Wilt Chamberlain*	2457	1960-61
4	Wilt Chamberlain*	2311	1959-60
5	Wilt Chamberlain*	2298	1963-64
6	Michael Jordan*	2279	1986-87
7	Elgin Baylor*	2273	1962-63
8	Rick Barry*	2240	1966-67
9	Rick Barry*	2217	1974-75
10	Elvin Hayes*	2215	1970-71
11	Kobe Bryant*	2173	2005-06
12	Elgin Baylor*	2166	1960-61
13	Bob McAdoo*	2138	1974-75
14	Tiny Archibald*	2106	1972-73
15	Wilt Chamberlain*	2083	1964-65
16	Elvin Hayes*	2082	1968-69
17	Jack Twyman*	2063	1959-60
18	Pete Maravich*	2047	1976-77
19	Elvin Hayes*	2020	1969-70
20	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	2019	1971-72
21	Michael Jordan*	2003	1992-93
22	Michael Jordan*	1998	1987-88
23	Wilt Chamberlain*	1990	1965-66
24	George Gervin*	1987	1981-82
25	John Havlicek*	1982	1970-71
Rank	Player	FGA	Season
26	Michael Jordan*	1964	1989-90
27	John Havlicek*	1957	1971-72
	Dominique Wilkins*	1957	1987-88
29	Russell Westbrook	1941	2016-17
30	George Gervin*	1940	1979-80
	Allen Iverson*	1940	2002-03
32	Bob Pettit*	1928	1961-62
33	Jerry Stackhouse	1927	2000-01
34	Kobe Bryant*	1924	2002-03
35	Alex English*	1920	1986-87
36	Elvin Hayes*	1918	1971-72
	Bob McAdoo*	1918	1975-76
38	James Harden	1909	2018-19
39	Elgin Baylor*	1903	1964-65
40	Richie Guerin*	1897	1961-62
	Dominique Wilkins*	1897	1985-86
42	Dave Bing*	1893	1967-68
	Michael Jordan*	1893	1997-98
44	Michael Jordan*	1892	1996-97
45	Dominique Wilkins*	1891	1984-85
46	Alex English*	1888	1985-86
47	Alex English*	1881	1988-89
48	Walt Bellamy*	1875	1961-62
49	Spencer Haywood*	1868	1972-73
50	Alex English*	1857	1982-83
Rank	Player	FGA	Season
51	Bob Love	1854	1971-72
52	Michael Jordan*	1850	1995-96
53	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	1843	1970-71
54	Earl Monroe*	1837	1968-69
	Sidney Wicks	1837	1971-72
	Michael Jordan*	1837	1990-91
57	LeBron James	1823	2005-06
58	Moses Malone*	1822	1981-82
	Allen Iverson*	1822	2005-06
60	Sam Jones*	1818	1964-65
	Michael Jordan*	1818	1991-92
	Allen Iverson*	1818	2004-05
63	Allen Iverson*	1813	2000-01
	Tracy McGrady*	1813	2002-03
65	Alex English*	1812	1984-85
	Antawn Jamison	1812	2000-01
67	Oscar Robertson*	1810	1961-62
	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	1810	1969-70
69	Charlie Scott*	1809	1972-73
70	Geoff Petrie	1801	1972-73
71	Willie Naulls	1798	1961-62
72	Jerry West*	1795	1961-62
	Michael Jordan*	1795	1988-89
74	Bob Love	1794	1972-73
75	Pete Maravich*	1791	1973-74
Rank	Player	FGA	Season
	Mike Mitchell	1791	1980-81
77	Jo Jo White*	1788	1971-72
	Pete Maravich*	1788	1972-73
79	Dominique Wilkins*	1787	1986-87
80	Elgin Baylor*	1781	1959-60
81	Purvis Short	1780	1984-85
82	Elgin Baylor*	1778	1963-64
83	Gail Goodrich*	1773	1973-74
84	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	1772	1972-73
85	Geoff Petrie	1770	1970-71
86	Mark Aguirre	1765	1983-84
87	Larry Bird*	1760	1984-85
88	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	1759	1973-74
89	Kobe Bryant*	1757	2006-07
90	Dominique Wilkins*	1756	1988-89
91	Bob Love	1752	1973-74
92	George Gervin*	1749	1978-79
93	Bob Pettit*	1746	1962-63
	Gail Goodrich*	1746	1968-69
	Rick Barry*	1746	1973-74
96	Oscar Robertson*	1740	1963-64
97	Dwyane Wade	1739	2008-09
98	Calvin Murphy*	1737	1977-78
99	Billy Cunningham*	1736	1968-69
100	Allen Iverson*	1733	1999-00

[gojetsgomoxies]

Wilt a chucker... are you serious?

the first year of those 5 chucking years i checked, he led the league in FG%

not sure how to explain this exactly. but shooting far more shots than anyone else at a higher rate than anyone else is good

antoine walker or someone like that is a chucker

[Itsamazing777]

anyone else rock glen rice in nba 98 3 point shootout?
the kid og days

[Chi_archie]

Chamberlain also played a such a faster paced era and every time he grabbed an offensive board it was basically another garunteed shot opportunity there. He was prob getting up to 10 offensive boards a game back when he averaged mid to high 20 boards a game.

[Itsamazing777]

The completion was lame tho man

[shadymcgrady]

Every player has to be viewed in the era they played respective to their environment. Wilt will go down as the best athlete ever in the NBA. He was Dwight Howard amongst a bunch of 5 foot 6 sbr posters and yet only a chip or two compared to Russell's 11

[lakerboy]

Russell most overrated player in NBA history. Guy gets his dick sucked for no reason whatsoever.

[jjgold]

Years ago people that were tall had a huge advantage

Today Russel gets chewed alive

Impossible ever to compare different eras

[stevenash]

Wilt a chucker... are you serious?

No he was't a chucker, I just threw that in there to see if anyone would catch on.
A chucker is one who heaves shots, Wilts offensive game was pretty much inside.

[Chi_archie]

Russell most overrated player in NBA history. Guy gets his dick sucked for no reason whatsoever.

In his early years he would play with a team that had 5-6 hall of famers on it, besides him.

Had an all time great coach

The league had 7 other teams.

How impressive are those championships? Not very

[Goat Milk]

anyone else rock glen rice in nba 98 3 point shootout?
the kid og days

in kobe courtside yeah, best game

[Goat Milk]

Years ago people that were tall had a huge advantage

Today Russel gets chewed alive

Impossible ever to compare different eras

Russell would dominate today. Guy is big as f, what you smoking.

Would easily average 20 and 17 in today's NBA with like 4 blocks. Would put up better numbers than Duncan. If anything I'd put Russell and Duncan in the same category. Both knew what it took to win and could dominate the paint defensively year after year. Dominate the glass. They both played with HoFers everywhere. Neither Duncan or Russell gonna put a team on their back offensively.

0% chance.

[Chi_archie]

How would he avg 20 points in todays era when he never even had one single season avg even 19 points a game playing against 6'8 centers back then in the fastest run and gun high scoring era where outside shooting was much more rare?

Dude averaged 15 a game for his career, he didn't have much offense other than offensive boards

[Goat Milk]

How would he avg 20 points in todays era when he never even had one single season avg even 19 points a game playing against 6'8 centers back then in the fastest run and gun high scoring era where outside shooting was much more rare?

Dude averaged 15 a game for his career, he didn't have much offense other than offensive boards

Archie,

Russel played in a racist era with 4 other white boys in the starting lineup who could all score and would never allow russel to be a top option. Havlecheck and Pettit and Cousy and all these guys. Auerbach told Russel to guard Wilt and that was his only job. He always did his job. The guy clearly had gifts that were never utilized to their fullest.

So I'm just thinking that if I put him in today's game, with today's coaches, I would say he would be a Tim Duncan.

[Chi_archie]

Except most of his career he played with black guards running the show. Hall of famers Sam Jones and K.C. Jones were the 1 and 2 guards.

Sam Jones despite his blackness scores 26 a game in racist Boston in while Russell scored 14.

Red was pretty progessive. He brought Chuck Cooper in to break the color barrier in a decade before Russell. In 1963 Boston had the first all black starting lineup including Russell

They were so racist, they let Russell coach the Celtics when Red retired from the bench for Russell's last 4 years.

[DOM-Ganador]

Russell most overrated player in NBA history. Guy gets his dick sucked for no reason whatsoever.

Most ludicrous statement you have ever made, and that is saying a lot.

Read any of the Red Auerbach books. Read a freakin` Laker book from the period and see what West had to say.

He had 21 opportunities, win or go home games, college, Olympics and NBA. 21-0.
You are either click baiting here, or are completely clueless.