Isn't it odd that Chris Webber is not in the Hall of Fame?

**shadymcgrady** · 07-02-20, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by thomorino

Wallace was the better defender than Webber, Webber was the much better talent though. The Detroit team Wallace got a ring with had no superstars, Wallace was good but older on that team.

Maybe but talent and potential are two words that cannot be quantitatively measured and often thrown around resulting in coaches getting thrown out of a job.

Webber may have been more athletic than sheed in their primes but sheed had far superior footwork in the post in an era where PFs still played in the paint. The only player who rivaled sheed in the post was Duncan, sheed had better post play than kg, Webber and whoever the #5 PF was in the NBA that season during the era

**thomorino** · 07-02-20, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

Maybe but talent and potential are two words that cannot be quantitatively measured and often thrown around resulting in coaches getting thrown out of a job.

Webber may have been more athletic than sheed in their primes but sheed had far superior footwork in the post in an era where PFs still played in the paint. The only player who rivaled sheed in the post was Duncan, sheed had better post play than kg, Webber and whoever the #5 PF was in the NBA that season during the era

Webber was a better athlete than Wallace, faster and a much better passer.

**deadphish** · 07-02-20, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

The guy was one of the best PFs in the league for over a decade, probably the best college player in the country for 2 years straight, put up incredible numbers in the league, should have got to the finals a couple times but was denied by Kobe. Lesser stars have made it to the hall. I don't think I can name 10 better power forwards than Chris Webber since the mid 90s till now.

"time out"

**Goat Milk** · 07-03-20, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

Maybe but talent and potential are two words that cannot be quantitatively measured and often thrown around resulting in coaches getting thrown out of a job.

Webber may have been more athletic than sheed in their primes but sheed had far superior footwork in the post in an era where PFs still played in the paint. The only player who rivaled sheed in the post was Duncan, sheed had better post play than kg, Webber and whoever the #5 PF was in the NBA that season during the era

Sheed was never really that good of a rebounder, he never really attacked the glass hard. And he was never a premier scorer like Webber. Webber also could dribble and run point sometimes, the guy would make some sick passes on the fast break handling the ball. Overall just more talented. Sheed was a better defender and tougher though for sure, I'll give you that. But replace Sheed with WEbber on that Detroit team, and Detroit still wins a ring.

During that era I really only thought Duncan and KG were better than Cweb. Dirk was great too but he didn't start fully dominating till the mid 2000s. Amare Stoudemire was the best PF in the NBA in the mid 2000s for a 4 year span. Seeing how Webber was in that top 3/4 discussion for best PF in the league for around 9 or so years, he should definitely be in the hall.

**shadymcgrady** · 07-03-20, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Sheed was never really that good of a rebounder, he never really attacked the glass hard. And he was never a premier scorer like Webber. Webber also could dribble and run point sometimes, the guy would make some sick passes on the fast break handling the ball. Overall just more talented. Sheed was a better defender and tougher though for sure, I'll give you that. But replace Sheed with WEbber on that Detroit team, and Detroit still wins a ring.

During that era I really only thought Duncan and KG were better than Cweb. Dirk was great too but he didn't start fully dominating till the mid 2000s. Amare Stoudemire was the best PF in the NBA in the mid 2000s for a 4 year span. Seeing how Webber was in that top 3/4 discussion for best PF in the league for around 9 or so years, he should definitely be in the hall.

I always considered dirk a 3 or SF despite guys height but if he's considered a PF or 4 then he has to be right behind Duncan and ahead of KG.

Dirk's career longevity, consistency and perhaps the greatest finals performance since magics rookie season where he beat a stacked Miami team with the best players in the world (LeBron, wade, Bosh) with a a bunch of 40 yr olds (Marion, kids, Chandler) puts him in elite all time class.

I always saw sheed skill wise and IQ wise as good as Duncan but he often would have a tendency to become disinterested in the grind and snap on officials. He was a better version of DeMarcus cousins whereas Webber always had incredible reg season stats in the Princeton offense adelman ran but never quite dominant in playoff series that mattered. Overall both had a similar on the league affect to me despite how different they played

**stevenash** · 07-03-20, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

I always considered dirk a 3 or SF despite guys height but if he's considered a PF or 4 then he has to be right behind Duncan and ahead of KG.

Dirk's career longevity, consistency and perhaps the greatest finals performance since magics rookie season where he beat a stacked Miami team with the best players in the world (LeBron, wade, Bosh) with a a bunch of 40 yr olds (Marion, kids, Chandler) puts him in elite all time class.

I always saw sheed skill wise and IQ wise as good as Duncan but he often would have a tendency to become disinterested in the grind and snap on officials. He was a better version of DeMarcus cousins whereas Webber always had incredible reg season stats in the Princeton offense adelman ran but never quite dominant in playoff series that mattered. Overall both had a similar on the league affect to me despite how different they played

Great post.

**IBetYou** · 07-03-20, 11:27 AM

Yeah, Dirk's a legend, and a certain HOF. Phenominal scorer. Much better player and leader than Webber/ Wallace.

**IBetYou** · 07-03-20, 11:28 AM

You could forgive him for never winning a championship after that idiot Cuban let Nash bolt, but he did in spite of it.

**stevenash** · 07-03-20, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

You could forgive him for never winning a championship after that idiot Cuban let Nash bolt, but he did in spite of it.

True great point guards like Nash, Kidd, Dennis Johnson, Stockton are once in a generation finds.
It's like finding a true great shortstop in baseball.

**shadymcgrady** · 07-03-20, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by IBetYou

You could forgive him for never winning a championship after that idiot Cuban let Nash bolt, but he did in spite of it.

That was the beginning of the changing of the guard and a pivotal time in the NBA for the point guard. Up until then a good pg was one that would dominate tempo and control pace of the game, take single digit shots, hit half of them and most importantly setup his teammates. Most PGs at the time were also tough, bulkier and stronger as well.

When Sacramento beat Dallas in 04, Nash was playing hurt and just getting killed physically on the high screens. The NBA sentiment was that he wasn't durable or strong enough to win as the point guard. Keep in mind it was going to be Dirk's team but at the moment the team belonged Michael Finley. Also injury and age concerns for Nash at that point who had spent several years playing backup to Jason Kidd.

Phx took a chance on Nash and dantoni and the rest was history. He was the drew Brees of the NBA and when you hear him talk about it it was pretty simple and crafty. He said he wasn't going to win with athleticism so he just dumped all excess weight and went all in on speed.

**sosawestbrook** · 07-03-20, 02:44 PM

I don't know, I feel like you gotta either be an elite level talent or help push the game to new heights to be considered a Hall of Famer. Webber doesn't really check either of those boxes for me. he was just solid. made a few all star games but thats it. not a name anyone will remember 10-20 years from now.

**ttwarrior1** · 07-03-20, 02:47 PM

in comparison, hasnt been long enough

**spippen** · 07-03-20, 03:32 PM

I lean towards he will be at some point.

**IBetYou** · 07-03-20, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

That was the beginning of the changing of the guard and a pivotal time in the NBA for the point guard. Up until then a good pg was one that would dominate tempo and control pace of the game, take single digit shots, hit half of them and most importantly setup his teammates. Most PGs at the time were also tough, bulkier and stronger as well.

When Sacramento beat Dallas in 04, Nash was playing hurt and just getting killed physically on the high screens. The NBA sentiment was that he wasn't durable or strong enough to win as the point guard. Keep in mind it was going to be Dirk's team but at the moment the team belonged Michael Finley. Also injury and age concerns for Nash at that point who had spent several years playing backup to Jason Kidd.

Phx took a chance on Nash and dantoni and the rest was history. He was the drew Brees of the NBA and when you hear him talk about it it was pretty simple and crafty. He said he wasn't going to win with athleticism so he just dumped all excess weight and went all in on speed.

Getting lit up by Bibby was right.

They wanted to get defensive, with the great Eric Dampier & coach Avery Johnson while bidding fare well to Don Nelson & Nash. They wanted to be all defense like the team that had been beating them over the head for years -the Spurs (hence former Spurs Johnson). Then the Spurs went offensive

**clockwise1965** · 07-03-20, 08:55 PM

He deserves to be in. The numbers are the numbers.