5dimes done with US market Sept 25th *Merged Threads*

[mrpapageorgio]

Just to add a data point.

Got ahold of CS shortly after they officially made the announcement to have my sole future bet (Super Bowl) voided. Only had to wait 20 minutes to get ahold of CS so guessing I just got in before the stampede.

Ticket was voided 3 hours later and got an email confirmation.

Made the withdrawal request shortly after, went from "pending" to "under review" around midnight.

No update since.

[JIBBBY]

5dimes has always asked for a pin with btc payouts.

That and more I was talking about now, new requests for identity proof... Like I said I will try on Monday or Tuesday and I can't wait to see how they draw this out. I'll get back to this thread on Tuesday on how my withdraw went..

I'll try... I just went on 5imes chat yesterday and they started asking me for more stuff for identity then normal.. I've been on that book for over 10 years and wasn't asked that. Ariel was the guy I was chatting with.. Kept asking questions..

[soobv]

That and more I was talking about now, new requests for identity proof... Like I said I will try on Monday or Tuesday and I can't wait to see how they draw this out. I'll get back to this thread on Tuesday on how my withdraw went..

I'll try... I'm just went on 5imes chat yesterday and they started asking me for more stuff for identity then normal.. I've been on that book for over 10 years and wasn't asked that. Ariel was the guy I was chatting with.. Kept asking questions..

I think they do that if you haven’t withdrawn in past 3-6 months. But they have always asked for pin on btc

[bugsy711]

Would love to hear more cases of successful withdrawals from 5dimes via btc and also check. Instead of talking shit let's get this money together.... if your talking shit I'm just assuming you don't have money of your own to claim from 5dimes

[Microphone]

I’m one of the people with a large balance and trying to be optimistic

One of you. Good 5 figure balance. Under review for 48 hours. Good luck to us. Petty said The Waiting is the hardest part.

[LongBall52]

General.
I agree with your philosophy about offshore gaming 100%. You're knowledgeable far beyond 90 % of the posters. I'm not with 5 Dimes, but as a Virginia native, hope they open books here soon. Offshore has been a super fun diversion.

[thechaoz]

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting us.

We already gave you information you need to know. I will not longer reply to this email thread since you are already aware of how this will work. IN case you do not understand: All future bets that have action after Sept 21st will be cancelled.

That is final and it is for all other customers as well.






Let us know if you need further assistance.

Best regards,
Jack
Customer Service, 5Dimes Group


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my response:
Listen Jack, explain to me how it isn't stealing to have a FUTURES MARKET, where you will not grade a WINNER, but you will have graded LOSERS.

To me, that is stealing. Please explain how it isn't. Refund my losing bets for markets that you are cancelling.

This isn't how to speak to customers. At all. This isn't a Tony chat.

This is like a Beer or pizza company closing the week before the Superbowl but still "delivery" all their product.

I'll put payouts ALL payouts at 0%. It makes absolutely no sense.

[thechaoz]

You have issues dude. Get help.

Says people who talk to their food and worship a sky daddy.

How did that anti-mask stance workout for you?

Oh right.

[gshock1]

This isn't how to speak to customers. At all. This isn't a Tony chat.

This is like a Beer or pizza company closing the week before the Superbowl but still "delivery" all their product.

I'll put payouts ALL payouts at 0%. It makes absolutely no sense.

I am getting the run around now. Over 48 hours and no email, etc and am BTC exclusive. When i did my phone verification they said within 48 hours i will get email. Such a mickey mouse shop.

[JIBBBY]

I think they do that if you haven’t withdrawn in past 3-6 months. But they have always asked for pin on btc

Mr Ariel whom I was chatting with also said my futures would be cancelled and funded to my account by Monday.. Again not holding my breath.. We'll see though.. Everything happens for me next week on 5dimes. I'll will keep you boys posted..

[RedApples]

Victor 21:18
Welcome to the 5Dimes Group Live Chat. Keep in mind the account & 4-digit PIN combination must be provided if the information you are requesting is specific to your account only 2
21:19 Victor, can I please speak to Jack.

Victor 21:19
Hello, my name is Victor, from Wagering Issues. I'm here to help you today.


im aware he is available via email only
21:20
Victor, we need to fix this situation

Victor 21:20
Can you please confirm both; Username and 4-digit PIN?
21:20


You guys are planning on cancelling bets for futures markets without paying out a winner. But you are also not cancelling the bets that you graded as losers for the same market. So you are not paying out winners, but taking losers.


This is criminal. Its theft. How can this be explained?

Victor 21:22
Is the winner going to be settled after the 9/25?
21:22
Yes.

Victor 21:23
is the one as loss already disqualified with no chance to be a win before the 9/25?
21:23
Yes.


But why does that matter?


You guys aren't paying a winner.

Victor 21:23
because the bet is settled already


just that is not graded
21:23
Well it shouldn't have been settled.

Victor 21:23
so they are graded now as a loss
21:24
Listen Victor.

Victor 21:24
But if it is a loss already
21:24
You understood sports betting?

Victor 21:24
why houldn't have been settled.?


yes


This is the wagering issues department
21:24
Say you bet the Ravens to win the Super Bowl this year for $200.00


at 6-1


Entire year goes by, the Ravens are in the Super bowl vs the 49ers, and the day before the match a sportsbook says we are going to cancel the Ravens wager and give you your $200 back


But you guys will have collected money on all of the other bets on teams other than the Ravens vs the 49ers

Victor 21:25
Why is that related? is that what is happening?
21:25
and you just refund them


yes, thats whats happening here

Victor 21:25
Ok what is the ticket number for the wager in question please
21:26
I have Miami to win the Eastern Conference. They are in the finals of the Eastern Conference


Sure.


618765557-1


618400484-1

Victor 21:28
Thanks


Allow me to place you in hold for a moment please.
21:28
Sure. Thanks Victor

Victor 21:30
618765557-618400484 Heat to win the Eastern Conference


it seems that Miami can still be disqualified from winning the Conference


So the bet will remain pending in case they are


and graded as a loss in case they are


in case that it is not settled before the 9/25 the wager will be refunded
21:31
Victor, but how is that fair. You just said you understood the previous scenario

Victor 21:31
or if they win the conference before the 9/25 the bet will be a win
21:32
So I can lose, but I cannot win


I can get my money back, or lose.

Victor 21:32
but i do not think that will happen because of the dates
21:32
Thats you guys freerolling me.


And freerolling the entire market.

Victor 21:32
It is very simple to understand, i a bet is settled before the date it will be graded according


If the bet will settled after the date then it will be refunded
21:33
But then why wouldn't the entire market be refunded?


You are telling me that I can lose, but cannot win, only receive a refund. That you guys will only collect on the losses but pay no winners.


Thats stealing Victor. Its the scenario I gave you with the Ravens

Victor 21:33
because of the reason indicated
21:33
But you agree thats freerolling?


You know what freerolling is?


If I cannot win, but can lose, and can only receive a refund at best, how is that not freerolling. Which is stealing.

Victor 21:34
you will need to read previous messages as the information provided is very important in regards, after that what you need to understand is that is how is going to work
and that is not open to changes or suggestions
21:34
I have read everything. I understand you tell me that you are going to steal from me. I'm asking you if you know what freerolling is.


And asking you if you can explain how its not freerolling


Can you do that for me?

Victor 21:35
i do not think so


you can easily check that on google


and it is not stealing if you are getting refunds for bets not settled before the date
21:35
Ok so you guys plan on stealing from customers. Unwilling to give any answers aside from what is 'going to happen'. Ok great.

[RedApples]

Always they start to listen. Then go on hold. Then they get the information from JACK that tells you to go piss off that its already been explained. Nothing has been explained, except for the fact that pending bets that could lose will stay open until they lose. If they don't lose, they will be refunded.

It is absurd. It's one thing to not cancel the entire market going back and re-grading losses as refunds, its another not to just cancel everything now and steal money from the market via the losses, but its just unfkinbelievable that they are openly saying that they are going to freeroll everyone on open futures that could lose before their deadline. Holy fkin sh*t.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Look - if SBR wants to tell the forum that they are NO LONGER related, and that BAS just broke away with new ownership as part of this whole thing - then fine. But to say they have NEVER been part of 5D would be an incredible ask of the forums gambling intelligence and common sense.

Not necessarily. BetDSI is example Numero Uno. Turns out BetDSI did not have anything to do with Bookmaker. Hollywood was associated with Sportsbook.com for a long time and then migrated to Bookmaker.

It seems likely that there was some common ownership but that is an assumption.

[gshock1]

Always they start to listen. Then go on hold. Then they get the information from JACK that tells you to go piss off that its already been explained. Nothing has been explained, except for the fact that pending bets that could lose will stay open until they lose. If they don't lose, they will be refunded.

It is absurd. It's one thing to not cancel the entire market going back and re-grading losses as refunds, its another not to just cancel everything now and steal money from the market via the losses, but its just unfkinbelievable that they are openly saying that they are going to freeroll everyone on open futures that could lose before their deadline. Holy fkin sh*t.

If they plan to relaunch in the US, this will hurt them big time! I am getting the runaround too with my futures and my payout.

[lonegambler23]

I have real doubts all get paid. But we shall see.

lol coming from the guy who was too cool to wear a mask. howd that work out?

[teacher10]

lol coming from the guy who was too cool to wear a mask. howd that work out?

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If they plan to relaunch in the US, this will hurt them big time! I am getting the runaround too with my futures and my payout.

Does anyone really believe they have plans to or any shot at being legit in the USA? Pinnacle couldn't get into the Euro market legally because of past associations etc. I don't think the USA would ever allow a company that disregarded the UIGEA and flaunted the fact they still served US residents to operate legitimately.

I'm pretty sure that 5Dimes would be considered a criminal enterprise by the US gov't.

Will Hill? Yes. 5Dimes, no fukkin chance. 5Dimes is just playing a tune to make it appear good.

Plausible denyability, remember that.

[mrpapageorgio]

Well 5D being a little cheeky on their Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone when it was annouced 5Dimes was exiting the US:<a href="https://t.co/QnghWuSljI">pic.twitter.com/QnghWuSljI</a></p>&mdash; 5Dimes �� Sportsbook (@5DimesSB) <a href="https://twitter.com/5DimesSB/status/1303873601742008326?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[gshock1]

Does anyone really believe they have plans to or any shot at being legit in the USA? Pinnacle couldn't get into the Euro market legally because of past associations etc. I don't think the USA would ever allow a company that disregarded the UIGEA and flaunted the fact they still served US residents to operate legitimately.

Will Hill? Yes. 5Dimes, no fukkin chance. 5Dimes is just playing a tune to make it appear good.

Plausible denyability, remember that.

Who really knows. I agree they have burned too many bridges and will not sniff the US market. They are going to run out of cash soon (if they haven't already).

[gshock1]

Well 5D being a little cheeky on their Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone when it was annouced 5Dimes was exiting the US:<a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/QnghWuSljI">pic.twitter.com/QnghWuSljI</a></p>&mdash; 5Dimes �� Sportsbook (@5DimesSB) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/5DimesSB/status/1303873601742008326?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Adding salt to the wounds.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Does anyone really believe they have plans to or any shot at being legit in the USA? Pinnacle couldn't get into the Euro market legally because of past associations etc. I don't think the USA would ever allow a company that disregarded the UIGEA and flaunted the fact they still served US residents to operate legitimately.

I'm pretty sure that 5Dimes would be considered a criminal enterprise by the US gov't.

Will Hill? Yes. 5Dimes, no fukkin chance. 5Dimes is just playing a tune to make it appear good.

Plausible denyability, remember that.

Possibly. They aren't going to come out and say, hey We were 5Dimes!!! They are going to set up another operation and then they will have your email and mailing address for billions of worth of accounts and that is a heck of a start.

[Orbison]

'Jack' is a 'relative' of Tony's apparently

[JIBBBY]

Who really knows. I agree they have burned too many bridges and will not sniff the US market. They are going to run out of cash soon (if they haven't already).

Payout after payout if they are doing that good luck, especially with the American account members with LARGE balances..

That's why I have my doubts.. 5dimes isn't like State Farm Insurance Company last I checked..

[shocka1212]

Christ. Anything to not pay my orange man wagers

[LongBall52]

All players (including the books) are gamblers... Never Ever forget That!

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Possibly. They aren't going to come out and say, hey We were 5Dimes!!! They are going to set up another operation and then they will have your email and mailing address for billions of worth of accounts and that is a heck of a start.

5Dimes has zero chance and zero intention of becoming legit in the USA. The big multi BILLON dollar betting corporations are already in position and they would take care of any attempt by 5Dimes to enter their market.

If it came down to a battle between Unibet or William Hill vs 5Dimes then I know who my money would be on.

5Dimes is saying these things to keep people from asking more questions. Its actually pretty lame and I can't believe seasoned gamblers with offshore experience would believe what they are saying.

[Roger T. Bannon]

5Dimes has zero chance and zero intention of becoming legit in the USA. The big corporations are already in position and they would take care of any attempt by 5Dimes to enter their market.

If it came down to a battle between Unibet or William Hill vs 5Dimes then I know who my money would be on.

5Dimes is saying these things to keep people from asking more questions. Its actually pretty lame and I can't believe seasoned gamblers with offshore experience would believe what they are saying.

5Dimes has a market cap in the BILLIONs. Setting up in the US is a piece of cake for them. They need to ditch the paper trail. This is one of the biggest global betting operations going. The US market is open for the taking for anybody willing to play ball.

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5Dimes has a market cap in the BILLIONs.

How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read their stock reports as a publicly traded company?
5Dimes is a small shop compared to the corporate bookies from Europe. Not even close.
5Dimes and the other Costa Rican based books can't even get setup with legit payment processors like Neteller or Skrill etc.

Common pal. Will Hill is worth BILLIONS and has tens of thousands of employees at shops worldwide and is traded on the stock market.
5Dimes is baby apples next to William Hill.

5Dimes has no chance and no intention of entering the legal US market. One day you'll see for yourself.

[Roger T. Bannon]

How did you come to this conclusion? Did you read their stock reports as a publicly traded company?
5Dimes is a small shop compared to the corporate bookies from Europe. Not even close.

Common pal. Will Hill is worth BILLIONS and has tens of thousands of employees at shops worldwide and is traded on the stock market.
5Dimes is baby apples next to William Hill.

I have seen what smaller operations in Europe sell for.

[stake1]

When do we all start taking a "number with the administrator"?

[Scarface63]

5dimes has always asked for a pin with btc payouts.



They knew what the balances were of USA players why pay anyone if in the end they stiff people and ruin a 25 year name and image?

Because Tony was murdered. The US Feds shut them down and gave them a deadline...
They will not ever be back!

[Heltah Skeltah]

lol coming from the guy who was too cool to wear a mask. howd that work out?

I live in CT as you do also I think u have said..I haven't wore a mask unless I had go into a grocery store when mandatory. I am in and out of stores all the time. My kids plays sports my daughter who is 9 has been in dance and cheerleading for at least 2 months. No parents or kids wearing masks. Nobody has been or gotten sick.
I don't see the not wearing a mask an issue in my area. Im from Litchfield county btw if you cared or wanna use that in your argument against not wearing masks

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I have seen what smaller operations in Europe sell for.

Smaller Euro operations are not looking to get into the USA.

Even small Euro shops are legit worldwide and don't need to use bitcoin to receive deposits and make payouts. There is no licensed book in Europe that needs to resort to bitcoin to pay their players.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Smaller Euro operations are not looking to get into the USA.

Even small Euro shops are legit worldwide and don't need to use bitcoin to receive deposits and make payouts. There is no licensed book in Europe that needs to resort to bitcoin to pay their players.

All you need to start a sportsbook in the United States is the money to do it and the people to operate it and 5Dimes has both. If you were a billionaire, you could start one.

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All you need to start a sportsbook in the United States is the money to do it and the people to operate it and 5Dimes has both. If you were a billionaire, you could start one.

If I were a billionaire I would be out banging hoes and doing blow with Flyingillini. Would have no interest in making more money.

anyway, to reiterate, 5Dimes no chance and no intention of entering legal US market. Its smoke and mirrors.

good luck to those looking to get their balances out of 5Dimes.