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  • Hman
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-04-17
    • 21429

    #1
    William Hill Sportsbook Takes Back Parlay Win 💸
    William Hill Sportsbook Takes Back $2,500 Parlay Win, Citing ‘Terms And Conditions

    Jeff Edelstein
    3/25/21


    Captain Jack Andrews — the pseudonym of a prominent East Coast bettor and analyst — has heard it all before, so when a man from the Midwest reached out to him in December of 2020 saying he felt like he had been taken advantage of by William Hill sportsbook, Andrews decided to take a look, but with trepidation.

    “I tend to vet these claims pretty harshly since the last thing I want to do is be stuck defending an angle shooter,” Andrews told CO Bets via email.

    So he vetted. And what he found was a straight shooter who won a $500 parlay (taking it down for over $2,500) and then, when he attempted to withdraw his winnings, watched as the sportsbook took the winnings away, leaving him with only the $500 he initially deposited.

    On March 23, some three months later, and after repeated attempts to figure out just what happened with both William Hill and the Colorado Division of Gaming (CDG), the bettor received the final word from the CDG: No dice.

    So what, exactly, happened out in Colorado?

    “I travelled from my home in the Midwest to Colorado in December to do some early season skiing,” the bettor said, via email. “I was excited to do some sports betting while I was there because I knew there were some good promotions that most of the sportsbooks were offering for new users. One of the books I signed up for was William Hill. They offered a $500 free bet if you deposited $500. I deposited my $500 and placed my $500 free bet on a 3 leg parlay.”

    Which, as stated earlier, he won.

    At this point, the bettor decided discretion was the bettor part of valor, and went to withdraw his winnings.

    “I believe I elected to use PayPal for my withdrawal method,” the bettor said. “It asked me how much I wanted to withdraw and stated my balance available to withdraw as $3,057.19. I typed in the full amount and submitted it. The next day I checked my PayPal account to see if it had processed yet and did not see my funds. I went back into the William Hill app and saw that the full amount was back in my account. Thinking that there must have been some sort of issue, I attempted to withdraw again using the same method and for the same amount.”

    And this is when things turned sour.

    “A few minutes after this attempt I got two emails from William Hill,” he said. “The first was notifying me that my account has been suspended indefinitely and the second informing me that I am no longer eligible for bonuses and that all my current bonuses and free play has been voided. I initially assumed this just meant I couldn’t do any bonuses in the future, which I found annoying but not that big of a deal. I soon found out that they meant I would not be getting the funds from my winning parlay. I combed the T&Cs and found the section in question. If I remember right, it basically states very vaguely that they reserve all rights and can withhold winnings if you abuse the bonus and try to immediately withdraw it. After a few days they lifted my account suspension and I could see that my balance was only the initial $500 I had deposited.”

    At this point, the bettor reached out to William Hill customer support, got nowhere fast, and was told the decision was final.

    And that’s when he reached out to the Captain.


    Rest of story....

  • hubie69
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-16-10
    • 7329

    #2
    Does William Hill not allow bonuses to be used on/in Parlays? It likely depends on what their bonus rules are specific to Colorado. Not living on Colorado I'm not sure what their rules are.
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    • pologq
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-07-12
      • 19899

      #3
      which poster here is Captain Jack?
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      • Vyasports
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-27-19
        • 4946

        #4
        interesting, JJ are you seeing this?
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        • Brock Landers
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 06-30-08
          • 45360

          #5
          Scumbag books

          Offshore will always be better, ALWAYS
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388189

            #6
            Offshore 10x better

            Lines way better and pay faster!
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            • Brock Landers
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 06-30-08
              • 45360

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              offshore 10x better

              lines way better and pay faster!
              this
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              • pimike
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 03-23-08
                • 37139

                #8
                If I read this right, he bet the bonus, not his deposit. He hit and tried to run.

                No offshore book will allow that.

                Rule is fair and dude was wrong to not risk anything.
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                • DrunkHorseplayer
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 05-15-10
                  • 7719

                  #9
                  Rule is fair? He deposited, got his bonus and won a legit bet. You book, you lose, you pay.
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                  • Shifty
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-10-08
                    • 558

                    #10
                    Hill should have warned the guy that he needed to give them some action to keep the free parlay money. Instead they banned him and confiscated the account without warning.
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                    • pimike
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 03-23-08
                      • 37139

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                      Rule is fair? He deposited, got his bonus and won a legit bet. You book, you lose, you pay.
                      No book let’s you bet bonus only then collect.
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                      • pologq
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-07-12
                        • 19899

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Shifty
                        Hill should have warned the guy that he needed to give them some action to keep the free parlay money. Instead they banned him and confiscated the account without warning.
                        agreed. seemed like they could have handled it better.
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                        • dmm
                          SBR MVP
                          • 04-03-20
                          • 1164

                          #13
                          Saw this controversy on Twitter. They definitely could have handled it better. Books need to have their software UI clearly reflect their T&C when there's an issue. The site should have simply showed a message on the withdrawal page informing the player they couldn't withdraw.
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                          • pimike
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                            • 03-23-08
                            • 37139

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dmm
                            Saw this controversy on Twitter. They definitely could have handled it better. Books need to have their software UI clearly reflect their T&C when there's an issue. The site should have simply showed a message on the withdrawal page informing the player they couldn't withdraw.
                            Agree on how it was not handled properly.

                            But payout no
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                            • PharaohUB
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-23-07
                              • 4865

                              #15
                              Definitely not handled great. William Hill could give two craps about 2500 and now they got bad PR.
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                              • Vyasports
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                                • 01-27-19
                                • 4946

                                #16
                                Originally posted by PharaohUB
                                Definitely not handled great. William Hill could give two craps about 2500 and now they got bad PR.
                                +1
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                                • johnnyvegas13
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                                  • 05-21-15
                                  • 27777

                                  #17
                                  Not a good look for WH
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                                  • Hu$tle
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-31-15
                                    • 1365

                                    #18
                                    rollover not met

                                    bonus abuse
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                                    • Brock Landers
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 06-30-08
                                      • 45360

                                      #19
                                      No excuse for confiscating pure winnings though
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                                      • SBR Tony
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-31-18
                                        • 3934

                                        #20
                                        I wouldn't call it PURE winnings, the only wager that he made was with the Bonus

                                        doesn't matter where he played, you can't just bet the bonus, hit and leave
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                                        • Optional
                                          Administrator
                                          • 06-10-10
                                          • 60662

                                          #21
                                          So stop him withdrawing until he does his 1x rollover.

                                          Not confiscate winnings.
                                          .
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                                          • DrunkHorseplayer
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 05-15-10
                                            • 7719

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SBR Tony
                                            I wouldn't call it PURE winnings, the only wager that he made was with the Bonus

                                            doesn't matter where he played, you can't just bet the bonus, hit and leave
                                            Why can't you? WillHill made an offer, he accepted it, made a legit bet and won fair and square.
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                                            • SBR Tony
                                              Moderator
                                              • 01-31-18
                                              • 3934

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                                              Why can't you? WillHill made an offer, he accepted it, made a legit bet and won fair and square.
                                              name me one book that will allow you to bet Just the bonus,( one wager ) nothing else, and cash out with your full balance?
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                                              • DrunkHorseplayer
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 05-15-10
                                                • 7719

                                                #24
                                                Probably none, which is ridiculous. If the slimeballs don't like hitting and running, they shouldn't offer a bonus and, as another poster previously stated, WH could easily keep the balance and require a rollover instead of just stealing the winnings.
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                                                • pimike
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                                                  • 03-23-08
                                                  • 37139

                                                  #25
                                                  There is more to this story.


                                                  Captain Obvious is slanting the story.

                                                  I’ll bet that.
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                                                  • SBR Tony
                                                    Moderator
                                                    • 01-31-18
                                                    • 3934

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                                                    Probably none, which is ridiculous. If the slimeballs don't like hitting and running, they shouldn't offer a bonus and, as another poster previously stated, WH could easily keep the balance and require a rollover instead of just stealing the winnings.

                                                    But I'm sure you have been gambling for a long time. Every bonus has a catch, be it 1X or 20 and 30X rollover
                                                    unless I missed it somewhere, there must have been something attached to that bonus.

                                                    If there was no terms, that would mean you could open up an account at every book, deposit, take a bonus, just bet the bonus, Hit and walk away at every spot.
                                                    Could you imagine something like this during the Bonus whore days?? They would have had a ball
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                                                    • DrunkHorseplayer
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 05-15-10
                                                      • 7719

                                                      #27
                                                      I have been gambling for a while and I was a bonus whore (read: smart consumer); as I stated, why didn't WillHill inform him that a rollover is required instead of stealing the winnings? There is simply no excuse for what they dd.
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                                                      • pimike
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 03-23-08
                                                        • 37139

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                                                        I have been gambling for a while and I was a bonus whore (read: smart consumer); as I stated, why didn't WillHill inform him that a rollover is required instead of stealing the winnings? There is simply no excuse for what they dd.
                                                        IF

                                                        That is what really happened.
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                                                        • SBR Tony
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • 01-31-18
                                                          • 3934

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pimike
                                                          There is more to this story.


                                                          Captain Obvious is slanting the story.

                                                          I’ll bet that.
                                                          I kind of agree with you mike
                                                          I can't find the story anywhere else other than that site.

                                                          something like this would have been carried by a couple of others.
                                                          not saying it didn't happen, I just think this would be out there a little more
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                                                          • SBR Tony
                                                            Moderator
                                                            • 01-31-18
                                                            • 3934

                                                            #30
                                                            Furthermore, in response to an inquiry from CO Bets, Michael Grodsky, a spokesperson for William Hill, pointed to the terms and conditions to the promo, which ran through Feb. 28. The T&Cs include the both of the following, under sections eight and nine.


                                                            8) A Participant who requests a withdrawal without first wagering the Deposit Match Bonus associated with the Qualifying Deposit may have that Free Bet voided at the sole discretion of William Hill.


                                                            Clearly, William Hill took full advantage of that “may” clause above, and:

                                                            9) There is no rollover or wagering requirements on any winnings earned from Free Bets; however, a Participant must wager through their Qualifying Deposit in order to cash out any winnings earned from the Free Bet.


                                                            William Hill also addresses the topic of withdrawals in Section 10 of its Terms and Conditions, a provision entitled “cash-outs.”
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                                                            • SBR Tony
                                                              Moderator
                                                              • 01-31-18
                                                              • 3934

                                                              #31
                                                              So going by the above, even though they didn't call it a 1X rollover, they still want the bettor to wager through their deposit

                                                              Still would like to see how the promo was posted
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                                                              • kmarinouofm
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 01-26-09
                                                                • 8437

                                                                #32
                                                                No rollover? What am I missing?
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                                                                • big joe 1212
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 06-01-08
                                                                  • 19379

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I did this with almost every online book in NJ. No problems. However, not with William Hill as I had an account there already.
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                                                                  • Shifty
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 08-10-08
                                                                    • 558

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by big joe 1212
                                                                    I did this with almost every online book in NJ. No problems. However, not with William Hill as I had an account there already.
                                                                    I bet William Hill would not have been allowed to pull this stunt in NJ or some other states that are better regulated.
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                                                                    • big joe 1212
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 06-01-08
                                                                      • 19379

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Shifty
                                                                      I bet William Hill would not have been allowed to pull this stunt in NJ or some other states that are better regulated.
                                                                      Good thing I did not do it with them. Other books just had 1x roll if you won off the free wager they give you by losing the risk free.

                                                                      FanDuel had a 1k risk free. I won on that 1k bet on a +100 wager. Cashed out $2,000 the next day.
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