Good Value on Joel Embiid to win the MVP at +1600
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#106Comment -
#107Who's having a better offensive season?
(The guy listed on the top of ANY metric you use)
Stats Ratings Player Team G MIN PTS REB AST STL BLK 3PM FG% FGA FT% FTA Overall PTS REB AST STL BLK 3PM FG% FT% 1 Nikola Jokic DEN 39 1291 1011 541 294 54 31 60 57.2 689 78.7 207 1.34 1.98 3.05 1.84 1.09 0.29 -0.12 2.49 0.07 2 Stephen Curry GSW 42 1459 1103 224 261 61 20 206 42 846 91.2 205 1.2 2.43 -0.06 1.45 1.58 -0.28 3.66 -1.48 2.29 3 James Harden BKN 40 1480 918 322 401 52 29 96 42.1 639 86.6 328 1.1 1.53 0.9 3.1 0.95 0.19 0.82 -1.05 2.39 4 Trae Young ATL 41 1426 1144 162 386 40 4 115 45.5 840 90.1 294 0.98 2.63 -0.67 2.92 0.12 -1.1 1.31 -0.44 3.04 5 Kevin Durant BKN 36 1313 1053 267 207 28 34 67 52 729 89.4 255 0.86 2.19 0.36 0.81 -0.72 0.44 0.06 1.3 2.46 6 Fred VanVleet TOR 40 1525 872 188 277 66 21 156 42.4 698 86.7 143 0.81 1.3 -0.42 1.63 1.93 -0.23 2.37 -1.08 1.01 7 LeBron James LAL 34 1245 981 258 217 54 38 97 51.7 710 75.8 198 0.79 1.83 0.27 0.92 1.09 0.65 0.84 1.2 -0.45 8 Chris Paul PHX 44 1419 617 189 440 85 15 42 47.9 489 84.3 127 0.77 0.05 -0.41 3.56 3.25 -0.53 -0.58 0.22 0.62 9 Dejounte Murray SAS 41 1407 791 347 366 82 16 57 45 734 73.3 101 0.76 0.9 1.14 2.69 3.04 -0.48 -0.19 -0.49 -0.49 10 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 38 1313 924 350 141 41 45 84 51.9 636 80.7 223 0.76 1.55 1.17 0.03 0.19 1.01 0.5 1.14 0.46 11 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 39 1276 1116 440 235 40 58 42 53.1 729 71.4 420 0.75 2.5 2.06 1.14 0.12 1.68 -0.58 1.58 -2.45 12 Donovan Mitchell UTA 40 1340 1020 158 206 64 9 128 45 826 87.6 169 0.69 2.03 -0.71 0.79 1.79 -0.84 1.64 -0.55 1.34 13 Domantas Sabonis IND 44 1534 834 523 214 44 19 34 57.7 537 74.4 242 0.68 1.11 2.87 0.89 0.4 -0.33 -0.79 2.08 -0.82 14 Jayson Tatum BOS 43 1583 1085 368 164 41 33 109 41.6 900 84.1 271 0.67 2.35 1.35 0.3 0.19 0.39 1.15 -1.71 1.38 15 LaMelo Ball CHA 39 1239 741 286 301 62 17 105 41.8 644 88.3 111 0.65 0.66 0.54 1.92 1.65 -0.43 1.05 -1.13 0.92 16 Joel Embiid PHI 34 1117 965 362 143 35 47 45 49.8 624 81.4 366 0.65 1.76 1.29 0.05 -0.23 1.11 -0.51 0.67 1.03 17 Rudy Gobert UTA 41 1328 658 615 46 32 95 0 71.4 325 68.8 282 0.62 0.25 3.77 -1.1 -0.44 3.58 -1.67 2.88 -2.32 18 Miles Bridges CHA 44 1586 884 328 158 49 39 87 48.2 695 77 165 0.59 1.36 0.96 0.23 0.74 0.7 0.58 0.33 -0.22 19 Jaren Jackson MEM 47 1294 775 269 50 47 104 82 41.4 637 81.7 202 0.58 0.82 0.38 -1.05 0.61 4.04 0.45 -1.19 0.58 20 Tyrese Haliburton SAC 43 1463 591 167 304 71 31 88 46.7 475 81.9 72 0.58 -0.08 -0.62 1.95 2.28 0.29 0.61 0.04 0.17 Comment -
#108
Just stop.Comment -
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#110
But as far as who was better between Moses and Embiid, it’s not even close. Like saying who is better Jordan or Marcus Smart.
Malone had 27,000 points
Embiid has 7,400 points
Malone had 17,000 rebounds
Embiid has 3,000 rebounds.
Teams neede to double team Moses just to keep him under 30.
WTF is wrong with you.Comment -
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#112Ok dude I’m ending you here. I’ll give you that if I were to start a team and needed a center both Embiid & Jokic would be neck and neck on who I would take. But I would take Jokic only because of Embiid is hurt a lot.
But as far as who was better between Moses and Embiid, it’s not even close. Like saying who is better Jordan or Marcus Smart.
Malone had 27,000 points
Embiid has 7,400 points
Malone had 17,000 rebounds
Embiid has 3,000 rebounds.
Teams neede to double team Moses just to keep him under 30.
WTF is wrong with you.Comment -
#113Embiid is pretzel boy. Always hurt and never health when it counts!Comment -
#114Here's what the NBA uses.
It's the same model they used and I used when I disproved your ridiculous claim that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
If I recall you laid -130 on a +150 prop, flushed 80 cents of juice down the toilet while the Knicks easily made the playoffs.
And I tried 100 times in a professional manner too to get you off the Knicks prop.
Same model here.
Jokic 30 percent chance of winning MVP
Embid not even nine percent.
What makes you think you know more than 10 million dollars worth of computer hardware and software.
You just don't know how math works.
2021-22 NBA MVP Award TrackerRk Player Team W L W/L% G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK Prob% 1 Nikola Jokić DEN 23 21 0.523 39 39 33.1 10.1 17.7 0.572 1.5 4.2 0.37 8.6 13.5 0.634 0.615 4.2 5.3 0.787 2.8 11.1 13.9 7.5 1.4 0.8 30.10% 2 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 29 19 0.604 39 39 32.7 9.9 18.7 0.531 1.1 3.8 0.282 8.8 14.9 0.595 0.56 7.7 10.8 0.714 1.8 9.5 11.3 6 1 1.5 23.00% 3 Kevin Durant BRK 29 16 0.644 36 36 36.5 10.5 20.3 0.52 1.9 5 0.372 8.7 15.3 0.568 0.566 6.3 7.1 0.894 0.6 6.9 7.4 5.8 0.8 0.9 9.50% 4 Joel Embiid PHI 26 19 0.578 34 34 32.9 9.1 18.4 0.498 1.3 3.4 0.391 7.8 15 0.523 0.534 8.8 10.8 0.814 2 8.7 10.6 4.2 1 1.4 8.70% 5 Rudy Gobert UTA 30 16 0.652 41 41 32.4 5.7 7.9 0.714 0 0 0 5.7 7.9 0.716 0.714 4.7 6.9 0.688 3.6 11.4 15 1.1 0.8 2.3 6.30% 6 Chris Paul PHO 35 9 0.795 44 44 32.3 5.3 11.1 0.479 1 3 0.321 4.4 8.1 0.536 0.521 2.4 2.9 0.843 0.3 4 4.3 10 1.9 0.3 6.30% 7 James Harden BRK 29 16 0.644 40 40 37 6.7 16 0.421 2.4 7.1 0.339 4.3 8.9 0.486 0.496 7.1 8.2 0.866 1 7.1 8.1 10 1.3 0.7 5.50% 8 Stephen Curry GSW 33 13 0.717 42 42 34.7 8.5 20.1 0.42 4.9 12.8 0.384 3.5 7.4 0.482 0.541 4.5 4.9 0.912 0.6 4.8 5.3 6.2 1.5 0.5 5.10% 9 LeBron James LAL 23 23 0.5 34 34 36.6 10.8 20.9 0.517 2.9 7.9 0.362 7.9 13 0.611 0.585 4.4 5.8 0.758 1.1 6.5 7.6 6.4 1.6 1.1 3.10% 10 Ja Morant MEM 32 16 0.667 35 35 32.6 9.3 19.1 0.489 1.6 4.4 0.357 7.7 14.7 0.528 0.53 4.9 6.3 0.776 1.3 4.5 5.8 6.9 1.3 0.4 2.50% Comment -
#115Embid and Jokic both average 33 minutes a game.
Jokic makes 57 percent of his shots, Embid less than half.
And Embid plays more under the rim, he dunks so much more.
Don't make me post shot selection charts, I'll make you cry.Comment -
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#117Where is his talk show if he's that good?
How is it he knows more than guys like Kenny the Jet, and whoever that gets paid millions do this his shit.
How is it that everybody on the NBA planet all the same thing, Jokic is the clear league MVP and Thom here says everybody is wrong?
Did you see his conversation with the Timberwolf team exec online Thom had regarding Towns.
Thom pretty much was arguing with a executive of the T-Wolves that Towns was garbage.
The exec said pretty much "Do you watch much NBA on TV" or something to that effect.
Wait a few minutes, I cut and pasted that conversation and saved it.
I'll post that if you want.Comment -
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#119Lastly, I'm not saying Embid is garbage, he is not.
But to prefer Embid over Jokic is like saying I prefer chuck steak over filet.
Yeesh.
Enough, I'm watching football.Comment -
#120Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.
You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.
Top 5 center all-time.
Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaqComment -
#121Moses Malone you moron. What planet are you on? Every person in a thread about centers would know that. Except you. You don’t know anything about basketball, NBA history or betting. Embiid Top 5. BahahahahahahahaComment -
#122
2020 Bubble: -59 units
2021 NBA: -197 units
2022 NBA: on pace for -300 unitsComment -
#123Just a friendly reminder to anyone posting serious replies to this thread or attempting to engage in earnest conversation/debate — this person is severely mentally ill.Comment -
#124
Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.
<a href="https://ibb.co/DRLDc1x"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/MC9DwgY/D0132-A3-B-A10-A-4-FEB-AEF5-9394954-CB69-E.png" alt="D0132-A3-B-A10-A-4-FEB-AEF5-9394954-CB69-E" border="0"></a>Last edited by mjsuax13; 01-22-22, 04:49 PM.Comment -
#125Never surprised by the resident piñata but he has to be used to losing… so why doesn’t he take the loss and move on. Like his -562.9 records since August 2020Comment -
#126
Your post history today is just one of any examples of how dumb and limit d you areComment -
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#128
“A power forward most his career!”
Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.
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Embiid is a far better shooter and defender. Malone wasn't even a three point shooter.
Embiid is nearly 6 inches taller than Malone, it's not close. Malone was good in a league where the speed and athleticism was nothing close to what it is in the NBA today.
Jist stop.Comment -
#129Here's what the NBA uses.
It's the same model they used and I used when I disproved your ridiculous claim that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
If I recall you laid -130 on a +150 prop, flushed 80 cents of juice down the toilet while the Knicks easily made the playoffs.
And I tried 100 times in a professional manner too to get you off the Knicks prop.
Same model here.
Jokic 30 percent chance of winning MVP
Embid not even nine percent.
What makes you think you know more than 10 million dollars worth of computer hardware and software.
You just don't know how math works.
2021-22 NBA MVP Award TrackerRk Player Team W L W/L% G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK Prob% 1 Nikola Jokić DEN 23 21 0.523 39 39 33.1 10.1 17.7 0.572 1.5 4.2 0.37 8.6 13.5 0.634 0.615 4.2 5.3 0.787 2.8 11.1 13.9 7.5 1.4 0.8 30.10% 2 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 29 19 0.604 39 39 32.7 9.9 18.7 0.531 1.1 3.8 0.282 8.8 14.9 0.595 0.56 7.7 10.8 0.714 1.8 9.5 11.3 6 1 1.5 23.00% 3 Kevin Durant BRK 29 16 0.644 36 36 36.5 10.5 20.3 0.52 1.9 5 0.372 8.7 15.3 0.568 0.566 6.3 7.1 0.894 0.6 6.9 7.4 5.8 0.8 0.9 9.50% 4 Joel Embiid PHI 26 19 0.578 34 34 32.9 9.1 18.4 0.498 1.3 3.4 0.391 7.8 15 0.523 0.534 8.8 10.8 0.814 2 8.7 10.6 4.2 1 1.4 8.70% 5 Rudy Gobert UTA 30 16 0.652 41 41 32.4 5.7 7.9 0.714 0 0 0 5.7 7.9 0.716 0.714 4.7 6.9 0.688 3.6 11.4 15 1.1 0.8 2.3 6.30% 6 Chris Paul PHO 35 9 0.795 44 44 32.3 5.3 11.1 0.479 1 3 0.321 4.4 8.1 0.536 0.521 2.4 2.9 0.843 0.3 4 4.3 10 1.9 0.3 6.30% 7 James Harden BRK 29 16 0.644 40 40 37 6.7 16 0.421 2.4 7.1 0.339 4.3 8.9 0.486 0.496 7.1 8.2 0.866 1 7.1 8.1 10 1.3 0.7 5.50% 8 Stephen Curry GSW 33 13 0.717 42 42 34.7 8.5 20.1 0.42 4.9 12.8 0.384 3.5 7.4 0.482 0.541 4.5 4.9 0.912 0.6 4.8 5.3 6.2 1.5 0.5 5.10% 9 LeBron James LAL 23 23 0.5 34 34 36.6 10.8 20.9 0.517 2.9 7.9 0.362 7.9 13 0.611 0.585 4.4 5.8 0.758 1.1 6.5 7.6 6.4 1.6 1.1 3.10% 10 Ja Morant MEM 32 16 0.667 35 35 32.6 9.3 19.1 0.489 1.6 4.4 0.357 7.7 14.7 0.528 0.53 4.9 6.3 0.776 1.3 4.5 5.8 6.9 1.3 0.4 2.50%
Embiid had injuries earlier in the year, for the second time. He's been far better than Jokic for months now.
Jokic has no impact defensively, Embiid is elite defensively. Embiid dominates in the post and the paint, Jokic is nothing special in the post or paint and he's rarely even doubled.
Embiid takes over games and dominat a on both sides of the ball, Jojo's isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs. Philadelphia has a better record because Embiid is better.
Your charts and analysis as usual are trash. Your trash charts had Jimmy Butler ahead of Durant and Curry for MVP.
Just stop, put your worthless charts down and buy a tv.Comment -
#130“A power forward most his career!”
Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.
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#131Shut up you dumb turd. You know nothing.
Patrick Ewing couldn't shoot 3's or dream of doing a euro step, Embiid does both every night.
I don't recall Ewing hitting a single 3 point shot in a meaningful game, Embiid hits multiple 3 point shots each night. Embiid scores 30 points almost every night, Ewing scored 30 once a month at most.
Stop talking.
Embiid, Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Shaq.
Robinson and Ewing aren't on Embiid's level, and its clear.Comment -
#132Th knicks were trash and exactly as I said they were and they were and they got contracts exposed by Atlanta.
Embiid had injuries earlier in the year, for the second time. He's been far better than Jokic for months now.
Jokic has no impact defensively, Embiid is elite defensively. Embiid dominates in the post and the paint, Jokic is nothing special in the post or paint and he's rarely even doubled.
Embiid takes over games and dominat a on both sides of the ball, Jojo's isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs. Philadelphia has a better record because Embiid is better.
Your charts and analysis as usual are trash. Your trash charts had Jimmy Butler ahead of Durant and Curry for MVP.
Just stop, put your worthless charts down and buy a tv.Comment -
#133Shut up you dumb turd. You know nothing.
Patrick Ewing couldn't shoot 3's or dream of doing a euro step, Embiid does both every night.
I don't recall Ewing hitting a single 3 point shot in a meaningful game, Embiid hits multiple 3 point shots each night. Embiid scores 30 points almost every night, Ewing scored 30 once a month at most.
Stop talking.
Embiid, Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Shaq.
Robinson and Ewing aren't on Embiid's level, and its clear.Comment -
#134
Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Embiid would own Malone, again, he's almost 6 inches taller than him.Comment -
#135Ask Shaq where he would list him. He would say, who.Comment -
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#138You are dumb. Embiid is a better shooter than Malone, he almost, again, 6 inches taller than him. Embiid shoots 3's, Malone barley could shoot a mid-range shot. Embiid is also going against far stronger competition every night. The NBA is a hundred times more atheltic now than it was 40 years.
Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Embiid would own Malone, again, he's almost 6 inches taller than him.Comment -
#139
They did EXACTLY what you said they WOULD NOT do.
You lost that bet.
I won that bet.
Do you believe your own shit?
I'll answer, yes you do.Comment -
#140In his prime Moses Malone would score 40 on him and grab 20 rebounds. He would be knocking Embiid all over the court.Comment
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