Brian Flores sues NFL for racial discrimination

[thomorino]

Morino - you are all over the map here. McVay is 36, Flores is 40 and Daboll is 46. Are you telling me that Flores is getting past over because he's too old? Have you looked at the ages of winning SB head coaches? Over the last decade they are around 60+ years old. None less than 55 years old. You have to go back to 2009 to find a young coach. Mike Tomlin at 36.

You do know that Flores started his coaching career as an offensive guy in New England and Daboll started his career as a defensive guy in New England??? Bill Belichick the most successful HC in the NFL started on special teams then moved to defense. He is a defensive minded coach. Harbaugh, Pete Carroll are defensive as well. WTH does that have to do with being a successful HC winning football games???

Your missing the point. First, Flores is a defensive coach, he coached on the defensive side of the ball with the Patriots for almost 8 years before getting the Miami job. He's not an offensive coach. Second, Miami has issues on offense and at the quarterback position, they need an offensive coach who can develop a quarterback and improve the offense. Flores is not the right guy.

So the fit isn't right in Miami.

Your comments about Pete Carrol and Belechick aren't relevant either, its a different era now, and teams that don't have a good quarterback like Miami don't want defensive coaches.

Almost all the new coaching hires have been offensive head coaches, and quarterback play and offense gets more important every year.

[thomorino]

Belichick is a defensive coach as well. Flores ended up 1 win less than Belichick and he was told to tank games. That's a fukkking miracle. He's had a winning record with an owner that was purposely trying to tank games and you think that makes him not a good coach? While Belichick is considered a miracle worker because he had Mac Jones. He also got a huge pass last season. I think you are talking about Belichick when you keep talking about offense???

Flores and Miami won their last games by the following amounts. All games by at least a TD. Please find me another coach who won 8 of 9 games by these margins???

8, 12, 7, 23, 11, 7, 17, 9

Are you really trying to compare Flores to Zimmer who was a head coach for 8+ years???

You again missed the point. Zimmer is much more accomplished and a far better coach than Flores, he still got fired despite being successful in Minnesota.

Most teams are looking for offensive coaches who can develop quarterbacks, Flores isn't one of them. Zimmer had a quarterback but he wasn't willing to adopt and play more tempo and spread, he wanted to run the ball, which is why he didn't fit with Stefanski.

[MinnesotaFats]

Mac

If you owned a billion dollar franchise would you:

A) hire the guy w the most experience and best qualifications or...

B) hire a black guy regardless

There are more qualified, experienced, subordinate white coaching applicants than there are blacks

But I'm curious. Do you support the idea of naming Vice Presidents and SCOTUS Justices on the basis of race & gender versus actual qualifications, experience, adherence to the constitution and rule of law?

[Mac4Lyfe]

You again missed the point. Zimmer is much more accomplished and a far better coach than Flores, he still got fired despite being successful in Minnesota.

Most teams are looking for offensive coaches who can develop quarterbacks, Flores isn't one of them. Zimmer had a quarterback but he wasn't willing to adopt and play more tempo and spread, he wanted to run the ball, which is why he didn't fit with Stefanski.

You don't know that Zimmer is/was a better coach than Flores. Of course he's more accomplished because he had a better team and was there for almost a decade.

How do you know teams are looking for offensive coaches? The Bears just hired a defensive guy. Josh McDaniels started his career coaching defense. Just like Daboll. The four new hot young head coaches... ALL OLDER THAN FLORES.


Who did McDaniels develop as a QB?

Who did Hackett develop? Blake Bortles? Hackett's Bills passing game was ranked damn near dead last. They were one of the worst in Jax.

Who did Daboll develop?? Josh Allen or Tua?

[MinnesotaFats]

Mac

I hate Zimmer but you can't compare Zimmer to Flores.

Zimmer has division titles, playoff wins, and half his losses the last 2 years were by 3 points or less....he never had a 1 7 start and missed the playoff in b2b years only 1 time- costing him his job

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mac

If you owned a billion dollar franchise would you:

A) hire the guy w the most experience and best qualifications or...

B) hire a black guy regardless

There are more qualified, experienced, subordinate white coaching applicants than there are blacks

But I'm curious. Do you support the idea of naming Vice Presidents and SCOTUS Justices on the basis of race & gender versus actual qualifications, experience, adherence to the constitution and rule of law?

Pretty easy to me. I would hire the best qualified PERSON for the job. Many years of experience does not often equate to future success. I've seen way too many executives that rest on their past successes and are getting lapped by others that are hungry. I would also hire for diversity because diverse thoughts lead to better outcomes. How do I know? Because I do it for a living. I want that woman to give me an alternate viewpoint. I want that minority employee to tell/teach me something I'm not aware of in my marketing campaign that could offend Asians for example. I want a head coach that can manage people, get the best peak performance out of them and I don't want them to ruin the brand. I would not want a yes man because I don't have time to micromanage a team. But that's me.


I have no problem with naming Vps and SCOTUS on the basis of race and gender. It's the candidates and presidents choice. It's always been that way. Unfortunately, it's always been white men. Did you have a problem with that when it was always white men? Why would you throw in actual qualifications, experience, etc.? You really believe minorities and women are inferior to white men. You've got a lot of growing up to do.

[thomorino]

You don't know that Zimmer is/was a better coach than Flores. Of course he's more accomplished because he had a better team and was there for almost a decade.

How do you know teams are looking for offensive coaches? The Bears just hired a defensive guy. Josh McDaniels started his career coaching defense. Just like Daboll. The four new hot young head coaches... ALL OLDER THAN FLORES.


Who did McDaniels develop as a QB?

Who did Hackett develop? Blake Bortles? Hackett's Bills passing game was ranked damn near dead last. They were one of the worst in Jax.

Who did Daboll develop?? Josh Allen or Tua?

Your not hearing what I'm saying. I agree with you that many of the offensive coaches who got hired are overrated and haven't accomplished much, Daboll to me in particular, since Allen made that offense, the play calling was never that good.

The point is that the Dolphins decision had nothing to do with race and they are just following the trend that has been in place in the nfl for a while now, which is to hire both young coaches as well as offensive minded head coaches.

Almost every bad or mediocre team in the NFL needs to develop a quarterback, that's true with the Dolphins as well, and they want an offensive minded head coach to do that.

Mac my point is not that every head coach hired deserved a head coaching job, many did not. My point is the Flores decision has nothing to do with race and really is just about teams wanting offensive minded head coaches because you obviously win with offense not defense in the NFL today, and teams like Miami have to develop a quarterback.

[thomorino]

It an insult to the black community that Biden needs to say he's going to put a black female on the court, because he's implicitly suggesting that if he doesn't go out of his way to look for a black women to put on the court than he wouldn't choose one since he doesn't think black women can compete with the rest of the field for the next supreme court opening.

[MinnesotaFats]

Pretty easy to me. I would hire the best qualified PERSON for the job. Many years of experience does not often equate to future success. I've seen way too many executives that rest on their past successes and are getting lapped by others that are hungry. I would also hire for diversity because diverse thoughts lead to better outcomes. How do I know? Because I do it for a living. I want that woman to give me an alternate viewpoint. I want that minority employee to tell/teach me something I'm not aware of in my marketing campaign that could offend Asians for example. I want a head coach that can manage people, get the best peak performance out of them and I don't want them to ruin the brand. I would not want a yes man because I don't have time to micromanage a team. But that's me.


I have no problem with naming Vps and SCOTUS on the basis of race and gender. It's the candidates and presidents choice. It's always been that way. Unfortunately, it's always been white men. Did you have a problem with that when it was always white men? Why would you throw in actual qualifications, experience, etc.? You really believe minorities and women are inferior to white men. You've got a lot of growing up to do.

Yes, I do believe White & Asian men are superior in terms of intelligence, experience and through history have proven so.

There are COUNTLESS studies on this, all within the last few decades confirming this....so my question, expanded, is what value does an inferior or less intelligent point of view bring to solving a problem??

To hire on the basis of color is a disservice to your business. To not hire on the basis of color is nothing more than playing the odds, properly.

I will go further.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/amp/

So, there are reasons for this gap...you cite diversity as an asset. What in the "general" black community, environment, home life, experience, education or work experience is an asset?

These are broad strokes, I concede that. There are qualified black individuals for every job, but it's like finding a 25 yr old virgin....and it's not getting any easier to take risks or chances when the values of these teams is so high.

If the gameplay was 1980s style, where defenses ruled and the schematic of offense was still in the primordial ooze then I feel you'd see more Denny Greens, Art Shells, Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin.

But it's not.

It's a fukking Nintendo match now. It's chess. It's development of pocket passing robots like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc.

There isn't 1 fukking black man on the planet that can match that QB IQ and that's why the black coach has absolutely ZERO future in the NFL.

It's about coach/ qb relationship. Period.

[JIBBBY]

It an insult to the black community that Biden needs to say he's going to put a black female on the court, because he's implicitly suggesting that if he doesn't go out of his way to look for a black women to put on the court than he wouldn't choose one since he doesn't think black women can compete with the rest of the field for the next supreme court opening.

Being sworn in as a Supreme Court Justice only because of the color of skin and gender first and foremost is simply mind blowing to me? Just do it and don't mention it is where Biden screwed up.

It discounts the black women that wins the seat. She will always be known by the American public for getting in with special treatment just because of her skin color and female gender and not by her merits.

[Yulia74]

His VP is a black woman, Kamala didnt win a single delegate during 2020 primaries

[MinnesotaFats]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2016/05/24/justice-sotomayors-very-bad-no-good-idea-for-lawyers/?sh=3eee4ab06580

Could you IMAGINE voting for a guy that thought this dipshit is qualified to be on the court?

Seriously

Liberalism is a disease

U simply can never vote for this shit because it gives a voice to the whole of it

[vitterd]

Mac

If you owned a billion dollar franchise would you:

A) hire the guy w the most experience and best qualifications or...

B) hire a black guy regardless

There are more qualified, experienced, subordinate white coaching applicants than there are blacks

But I'm curious. Do you support the idea of naming Vice Presidents and SCOTUS Justices on the basis of race & gender versus actual qualifications, experience, adherence to the constitution and rule of law?

Why do you hate black people so much?

[MinnesotaFats]

Why do you hate black people so much?

I operate 14 payday loan outlets in MPLS/STP

Prior to that was in the beer business in MPLS

Every fukking day I see it, I live it, I breath it, I deal with it.

There are good black out there, and BTW Southern blacks are much more employable than Northern blacks, there is a cultural difference, I live in Florida half the year and the Central Florida black woman is a good woman, the male is employable, but not reliable...anyway, but honestly, if you told me we could rid all of Minnesota of the black population by a click of a button, I'd push it. Watched it deteriorate for 40 years here, it's (black debauchery) not a problem that's getting better, it's not a problem w a solution, it's not a problem with internal willpower.

[vitterd]

I operate 14 payday loan outlets in MPLS/STP

Prior to that was in the beer business in MPLS

Every fukking day I see it, I live it, I breath it, I deal with it.

There are good black out there, and BTW Southern blacks are much more employable than Northern blacks, there is a cultural difference, I live in Florida half the year and the Central Florida black woman is a good woman, the male is employable, but not reliable...anyway, but honestly, if you told me we could rid all of Minnesota of the black population by a click of a button, I'd push it. Watched it deteriorate for 40 years here, it's (black debauchery) not a problem that's getting better, it's not a problem w a solution, it's not a problem with internal willpower.

Payday loan outlets are basically legal robbery. And I’m sure you don’t turn away black people with a job looking for a payday loan. They probably are a portion of your income right?

[Doublethink]

Let's get down to the ERA. Why isn't any women, or any other ethnic group included in the hiring process? Let's get everyone included so at least 90 people have to be interviewed?

[Chi_archie]

Scum

[Mac4Lyfe]

It an insult to the black community that Biden needs to say he's going to put a black female on the court, because he's implicitly suggesting that if he doesn't go out of his way to look for a black women to put on the court than he wouldn't choose one since he doesn't think black women can compete with the rest of the field for the next supreme court opening.

There’s a long list of qualified black female nominees. There was one when Bush tried to nominate one but the Dems including Biden blocked her. The only insult is that it took this long. Trump said and went out of his way to put a white female justice in there. Did he not think she could compete as well? Are you really trying to say that anytime ANYONE is nominated it’s because they’re not qualified? Because history tells us only white males can occupy the position. Was that because they really weren’t qualified and couldn’t really compete?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Being sworn in as a Supreme Court Justice only because of the color of skin and gender first and foremost is simply mind blowing to me? Just do it and don't mention it is where Biden screwed up.

It discounts the black women that wins the seat. She will always be known by the American public for getting in with special treatment just because of her skin color and female gender and not by her merits.

We’re you saying this when the Amy (middle name?) Barrett was nominated by Trump? He CLEARLY said he was going to nominate a woman?

[Mac4Lyfe]

His VP is a black woman, Kamala didnt win a single delegate during 2020 primaries

But they sure did kick Trump/Pence up the ass. Landslide victory. One of the largest ever.

[Demonata]

But they sure did kick Trump/Pence up the ass. Landslide victory. One of the largest ever.

Pretty easy when you rig an election!

[pavyracer]

Pretty easy when you rig an election!

And how do you rig the election? I'd bet you since you know how you will teach the Republicans how to do it in 2 years.

[MinnesotaFats]

Payday loan outlets are basically legal robbery. And I’m sure you don’t turn away black people with a job looking for a payday loan. They probably are a portion of your income right?

Nope

The only blacks we tend to lend to are women with County assistance or child support orders garnishing wages.

As I look, we have 16 outstanding loans to black men (out of 6500). 7 in default, 8 current, 1 deemed uncollectible and one guy been paying interest on the same $1500 since 2007 lol

[Doublethink]

Scum

I didn't make the rule scum.

[Demonata]

And how do you rig the election? I'd bet you since you know how you will teach the Republicans how to do it in 2 years.

You voted for him. No conversation to be had. I wouldn't want Republicans to rig it. Either last election was rigged or just we are at record high of stupid people who voted for that clown.

[JIBBBY]

We’re you saying this when the Amy (middle name?) Barrett was nominated by Trump? He CLEARLY said he was going to nominate a woman?

That was retarded to. You don't mention race or gender leading up just do it.

[svsooner]

[QUOTE=MinnesotaFats;30756307]I operate 14 payday loan outlets in MPLS/STP

So you loan people money and they agree to pay between 85% and 449% interest rates? Are these people desperate or stupid, or both?

[pavyracer]

You voted for him. No conversation to be had. I wouldn't want Republicans to rig it. Either last election was rigged or just we are at record high of stupid people who voted for that clown.

The election wasn't rigged. Your guy didn't rally his sheep to vote for him. Biden rallied his sheep better.

[Demonata]

The election wasn't rigged. Your guy didn't rally his sheep to vote for him. Biden rallied his sheep better.

You voted for biden so of course you think It was legitimate. Biden wouldn't even have a rally. Nobody likes biden.

[Covering the #]

3. Please name me ANY white coach that was fired without a losing record? Please find me ANY white coach that was fired after winning 8 of their last 9 games? That is crazy pants and you know it.

Marty Schottenheimer - fired from Chargers after a 14-2 season including a 10 game winning streak in 2006-2007 season

Jimmy Johnson - fired after winning back to back Super Bowls with Cowboys

[JIBBBY]

Marty Schottenheimer - fired from Chargers after a 14-2 season including a 10 game winning streak in 2006-2007 season

Jimmy Johnson - fired after winning back to back Super Bowls with Cowboys

Mac the liberal Hack shut down again..

[thomorino]

Mike Zimmer is white and he had a winning record, he was just fired. Again, this has nothing to do with race

[MinnesotaFats]

Jason garret coached 10 years

1 losing season in the middle of that span, fired

Jim harbaugh was fired

Tom Coughlin fired

Mike Tice fired (no losing records)

Mac- I'm having trouble understanding your opinions on things because they aren't formed from fact or reality or common sense

You argue like the black guys that demand 5 figure loans from me and don't have a pay stub to verify income.

[Doublethink]

Scum

Apparently u read the ERA correctly.

[lonegambler23]

There’s a long list of qualified black female nominees. There was one when Bush tried to nominate one but the Dems including Biden blocked her. The only insult is that it took this long. Trump said and went out of his way to put a white female justice in there. Did he not think she could compete as well? Are you really trying to say that anytime ANYONE is nominated it’s because they’re not qualified? Because history tells us only white males can occupy the position. Was that because they really weren’t qualified and couldn’t really compete?

mack your the racist one pal.