Brian Flores sues NFL for racial discrimination

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  • TheMoneyShot
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    • 02-14-07
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    #106
    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
    Demon - please explain to me

    1) How in 50 years the NFL has only hired 10 black head coaches
    Where is there a law that stated 1 needed to be hired?

    It's almost the same theory.... how many black QB's have won a Super Bowl?
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    • MinnesotaFats
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      • 12-18-10
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      #107
      Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
      Herman Cain turned around several fledgling companies. He was great for a bunch of businesses. Not too smart going to super spreader events though.
      Burger King
      Godfathers

      Both, along w Cain, are dead.
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      • MinnesotaFats
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        • 12-18-10
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        #108
        Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
        Where is there a law that stated 1 needed to be hired?

        It's almost the same theory.... how many black QB's have won a Super Bowl?
        Exactly

        Why even hire 1 black.

        This is how stupid liberals are and how they think thou. The smartest guy shouldn't get the job...no, it has to be about color and being pro rata representation.

        I remember when the Metropolitan Sports Facilites Commission DEMANDED that a female deliver the kegs to the Metrodome & Target Center. Convention Center too.

        Now how in the fukk is a female going to drive a Class A to the dome or TC, unload 200+ kegs and escort them to the numerous coolers when a single kegs weighs 165 pounds, and the dudes struggle w the job as is.

        Yet that Commission fought, tooth & nail for that condition to do business. It was ultimately rejected & replaced by a black doing the delivery lol

        Just stupid.

        Blacks ought to be ashamed of themselves for shit like this.
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        • unde0087
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          • 03-27-08
          • 28861

          #109
          I am more outraged about the amount of Native American and Asian hires.
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          • Mike Huntertz
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            • 08-19-09
            • 11203

            #110
            Is it stupid to say "the best person for the job" that will increase my profits, is bad?
            Maybe the people that love money, hire people that will make them richer?
            Black, green, yellow or pink.......just show me a profit.
            Business has no friends.
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            • ridgeway
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              • 11-10-17
              • 708

              #111
              He's a clown and committed professional suicide. He's has no case!
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              • nyplayer33
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                • 09-27-06
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                #112
                Why did belicheck know who was hired before all the interviews
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                • Yulia74
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                  • 08-28-18
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                  #113
                  The Rooney Rule is dumb, forcing teams to interview a black candidate is racist
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                  • Mac4Lyfe
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                    • 01-04-09
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                    #114
                    Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                    Where is there a law that stated 1 needed to be hired?It's almost the same theory.... how many black QB's have won a Super Bowl?
                    One Word... EEOC look it up.

                    Now that you mention black QBs. It reminded me when I played at UF. The clearly best scout team QB was black. When our starting QB went down and our backup QB went mental, the Gators went with a white walk on QB instead. Every player on the team, white and black could not believe it. That white walk on had a successful career and currently a head coach in college. Actually he's been head coach of 2 college teams. That black QB who was very dynamic? He transferred to Oklahoma who had another black QB that he couldn't beat out. So he became a DB and had a nice career in the NFL. That guy was very smart, got a masters degree but could not get a coaching gig anywhere. Do you know how many of those stories there are???

                    It was common knowledge at UF that they would not ever hire a black HC (see Charlie Strong). It took them forever to start black QBs. Most of the QBs there got converted to another position or left.
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                    • Mac4Lyfe
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                      • 01-04-09
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                      Blacks ought to be ashamed of themselves for shit like this.
                      Yep, let's blame all black people for Flores suing some rich guys.
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                      • Yulia74
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-28-18
                        • 1907

                        #116
                        It's the teams right to hire whom they choose to lead their team. End of story....
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                        • MinnesotaFats
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                          • 12-18-10
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                          #117
                          Mac

                          EEOC doesn't mandate a black hire lol

                          How about a black buy a nfl team and hire all blacks?

                          How come wealthy black people don't invest in black mgmt?

                          Why do white owners have to supplement or subsidize black economic success?
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                          • Yulia74
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                            • 08-28-18
                            • 1907

                            #118
                            Rooney Rule has done more to delegitimatize coaches of color than get them hired
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                            • floki
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                              • 02-07-19
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                              #119
                              He’ll quickly and easily find another coaching job.

                              Regards,
                              Colin Kaepernick
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                              • Mac4Lyfe
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                                • 01-04-09
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                                #120
                                Originally posted by Yulia74
                                The Rooney Rule is dumb, forcing teams to interview a black candidate is racist
                                Wrong - the Rooney rule is to ensure MINORITY candidates get interviewed. Not just black candidates. The only black coach in the NFL was hired via the Rooney rule, so it's not dumb.

                                I consult Fortune 50 companies on talent. ALL of those companies ensure they have a diverse shortlist. You know why? Because diverse talent is ESSENTIAL in having a successful business. The companies that have not bought in on this are no longer with us and the list is long and growing yearly. So sure, stay behind in the way you evaluate talent. I already know where your business is headed.
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                                • Yulia74
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                                  • 08-28-18
                                  • 1907

                                  #121
                                  Ross didn’t like Flores because he refused to tank for Burrow

                                  As it turns out, Ross was right, Burrow is a great QB.

                                  Ross had a great idea, flores fuked it all up.
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                                  • MinnesotaFats
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                                    • 12-18-10
                                    • 14758

                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                    Yep, let's blame all black people for Flores suing some rich guys.
                                    It's the victim mentality of blacks

                                    Since the 60s, the Great Society, the wealth transfer, the voting rights acts, the qoutas & affirmative action bs

                                    People are sick of it, people are asking themselves 2 questions these days regarding race...and 1 of the 2 is true.

                                    1- are blacks smarter than whites?
                                    2- are whites smarter than blacks?

                                    One of these is true and quantifiable. In an era of analytical management & sabermetrics / algorithm solutions to all business processes, people are realizing that the theory of equality used to justify the policies of the 60s was, like all liberal ideas, misguided.

                                    The best & smartest get the job. The losers clean up everyone else's shit, and that's just life buddy. No government program is going to cover up for the way things are in nature.
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                                    • floki
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                                      • 02-07-19
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                                      #123
                                      flores should have tanked on command
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                                      • Yulia74
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                                        • 08-28-18
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                                        #124
                                        not only they didnt get burrow thanks to flores, look at those OL picks, terrible, guy couldnt pick
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                                        • floki
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                                          • 02-07-19
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                                          #125
                                          the teams wont be able to do what is best for the Teams, instead they will have to be mandated to hire minority coaches

                                          Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                          Wrong - the Rooney rule is to ensure MINORITY candidates get interviewed. Not just black candidates. The only black coach in the NFL was hired via the Rooney rule, so it's not dumb.

                                          I consult Fortune 50 companies on talent. ALL of those companies ensure they have a diverse shortlist. You know why? Because diverse talent is ESSENTIAL in having a successful business. The companies that have not bought in on this are no longer with us and the list is long and growing yearly. So sure, stay behind in the way you evaluate talent. I already know where your business is headed.
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                                          • Yulia74
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                                            • 08-28-18
                                            • 1907

                                            #126
                                            Rooney rule has always been a cheap attempt at a fair hiring process.
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                                            • Mac4Lyfe
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                                              • 01-04-09
                                              • 48311

                                              #127
                                              Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                              Mac

                                              EEOC doesn't mandate a black hire lol
                                              How about a black buy a nfl team and hire all blacks?
                                              How come wealthy black people don't invest in black mgmt?
                                              Why do white owners have to supplement or subsidize black economic success?
                                              Nope but you better believe that it would be very easy to prove adverse impact. For some reason the EEOC has not served the NFL... yet? I work with companies that have had to answer these questions. It's not pretty.

                                              The NFL does not have black owners. Many of these owners got these teams for peanuts. Whoever said these owners need to supplement anything? We're talking about hiring good coaches, black, white, purple. Most of these owners absolutely suck in hiring just as bad as GMs in evaluating talent. I'm totally convinced you and I could do a better job at coaching some of these teams. At least better in game and clock management. I think a fan poll on draft picks would do better than most of these front offices. This shit ain't rocket science and most teams are just BAD. They need to hire some diversity and start thinking out of the box.
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                                              • floki
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                                                • 02-07-19
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                                                #128
                                                hes just mad the giants didnt hire him

                                                hope the nfl doesnt settle, flores should be in litigation for the next 20 years
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                                                • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                  • 01-04-09
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                  The best & smartest get the job. The losers clean up everyone else's shit, and that's just life buddy. No government program is going to cover up for the way things are in nature.
                                                  Will you feel the same way when Indians and Asians take all the top jobs in the country? It's not a pretty picture. Indians/Asians are kicking white, black, Hispanic kids ass in the classroom. We can't even find American PhD candidates because our kids are too entitled. So we hire kids and sponsor them to be US citizens because our own kids are too lazy. I'm hiring in emerging technologies like renewables, data science, AI, etc. It is an ugly sight. Our government HAS to get involved and start promoting these industries so that our kids are leading the future.
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                                                  • floki
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                                                    • 02-07-19
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                                                    #130
                                                    my uncle only hires spanish workers because they are good workers, work hard and dont complain

                                                    owners pay millions, teams know who they want plain and simple
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                                                    • Yulia74
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                                                      • 08-28-18
                                                      • 1907

                                                      #131
                                                      hope Flores has more than just the BB texts...only thing solid in the complaint is that Ross is a terrible owner.
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                                                      • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                        • 01-04-09
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by floki
                                                        hes just mad the giants didnt hire him
                                                        hope the nfl doesnt settle, flores should be in litigation for the next 20 years
                                                        He grew up a Giant fan as a young kid. Imagine you interviewing for your dream job with your dream team then finding out that they already made the decision before you even showed up? He's definitely taking it personal and obviously mad. The NFL should do all they can to settle. This is a lose/lose for them anyway you slice it. Flores is a young guy. He can certainly wait out all these old guys. It is horrible publicity for a league that has had unprecedented growth. Do you know how quickly fan sentiment can change (look at the players kneeling). They could easily lose billions in sponsor rights, advertising, gambling revenue, etc. Just like Deshaun Watson's dumb ass. Sweep this shit under the rug and get back to business. The only problem is that Flores seems like a woman scorned. He may not go away so quickly.
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                                                        • floki
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                                                          #133
                                                          people dont understand the Rooney Rule isn’t about doing what is fair or right, it’s about providing legal protection for owners and the league.
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                                                          • Yulia74
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                                                            • 08-28-18
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                                                            #134
                                                            the giants didnt show up drunk for the interview from the night before, must be a lie

                                                            all this shit will stop after the super bowl
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                                                            • budwiser
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                                                              • 11-22-11
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                                                              #135
                                                              Surprised I couldn't find this on the NFL forum.

                                                              As I said I believe this doesn't have to do with race, and suing based on racism is the wrong take.

                                                              There is only one quote you have to know:
                                                              "Flores again refused the meeting and left the yacht."

                                                              it's like i said before, these owners own billion dollar businesses and they don't have the time to be contradicted. You do what you're told. They are in a position of authority, with thousands of employees and 1500 things they could be doing, and they want credit and someone who will take the fall for them.

                                                              And if you're unwilling to do that, if you go against the owner, you're out, whether you're black hispanic asian woman man white old young it doesn't matter.

                                                              That's the way it has been, the owners or those in power run things, no you, and never forget it.
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                                                              • budwiser
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                                                                #136
                                                                When it does come to race, as I said before, owners are reluctant to hire a black coach and why? Because they can't get rid of this guy.

                                                                If he does well, the owner gets the blame for firing him. So what they do is, they get a young black coach, put him in a spot he can't succeed, and fire him. Look at Notre Dame's coach, no exprience.

                                                                Remember the Clippers owner Donald Sterling got roasted by the league, they dragged this guy through the mud. These owners own billion dollar businesses, their names are what they got, and the LAST thing they need is a public race war-they avoid this at almost all cost.

                                                                Look at what happened here-the Miami Dolphins owner is going to get dragged through the mud, taking up his time and damaging his reputation-and if he had to go back he would not have hired a black coach and dealt with all of it-would he.
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                                                                • budwiser
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                                                                  #137
                                                                  Because the majority of players are black, it's sad to see this. Who wants this. Nobody. Want people to succeed, not fail.

                                                                  But, the only way to learn is the hard way. Flores is 40. When he's 50, he'll know better.

                                                                  A guy like Jim Caldwell, I would think he knows better. imo they should hire the more experienced black coaches, age 50+, who know better how the owner's game is played.
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                                                                  • eidolon
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                                                                    • 01-02-08
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                                                                    #138
                                                                    Of course this coming out now: Black History month. Say whatever you want if you're black this month, and everyone will believe you and have your side.
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                                                                    • eidolon
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                                                                      • 01-02-08
                                                                      • 9531

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                                      Demon - please explain to me

                                                                      1) How in 50 years the NFL has only hired 10 black head coaches

                                                                      2) How does the Giants already hire a guy and then interviews 3 black guys AFTER the FACT?

                                                                      3) How does Brian Flores get fired for having a 2 year winning record and winning 8 of his last 9 games?

                                                                      What does any of the above have to do with Left/Right, Dem/Repub? What side are you on? Very strange that you can't even afford a nice hotel, was on unemployment, cashed stimulus checks but you always side with the rich folks in these matters. Do you hate yourself that much? You are not in their club.
                                                                      How many Asian head coaches has there been?
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                                                                      • chico2663
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                                                                        • 09-02-10
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                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by MinnesotaFats
                                                                        Burger King
                                                                        Godfathers

                                                                        Both, along w Cain, are dead.
                                                                        I love the 2 for 6
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