Brian Flores sues NFL for racial discrimination

[Covering the #]

Jimmy Johnson was not fired. He resigned and received all his compensation afterwards. Him and Jerry both decided to part ways. Jerry later admitted he fukked up.
Marty had his job. Spanis wanted him to sign an extension and he declined. Please get your stories straight before posting…


Three days after the loss to New England, Chargers president Dean Spanos announced that Schottenheimer would return for the final year of his contract, but the coach declined a one-year extension for 2008 worth $4.5 million.^[44] However, despite the earlier announcement and the 14–2 season, Schottenheimer was abruptly fired by San Diego on February 12, 2007. Spanos cited the recent changes to Schottenheimer's coaching staff and the "dysfunction" between the coach and general manager A.J. Smith.^[45][46] The former rationale from Spanos was based on offensive coordinator Cam Cameron and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips leaving for head coaching positions, while tight ends coach Rob Chudzinski and linebackers coach Greg Manuskydeparted for coordinator roles. Schottenheimer found it unfair to be blamed for the coaching turnover, noting that assistants cannot be blocked from interviewing for head coach positions.^[47]
According to Jim Trotter of the San Diego Union Tribune, Schottenheimer's insisting that his brother Kurt replace Phillips further strained the relationship between Spanos and Schottenheimer. Spanos had always been against the idea of allowing relatives to be on the same coaching staff, but had acquiesced to his son Brian, being the Chargers' quarterbacks coach. Schottenheimer even went as far to book a flight to San Diego for his brother, against Spanos' wishes. This act of defiance increased the gap between Spanos and Schottenheimer.^[48]
Reading is elementary.

No matter how you want to spin it, Johnson was basically fired. He was not going to let Jones interfere and diminish his control of player personnel. Jones wasn't going to let that happen. It was either get fired or resign. Who gives out compensation to someone who is leaving other than getting fired?

Keep reading further down in your link. It clearly states Schottenheimer was fired.

My information is straight and answered the direct question you had asked a different poster.

[JIBBBY]

[Mac4Lyfe]

Johnson RESIGNED. There's no basically in it at all. If a company told you that you had 2 options. Resign or be fired for whatever reason. If you resign, you resign. If you don't want to resign, you say, "you're going to have to fire me". Johnson had a choice. Flores DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE. The Dolphins FIRED HIM. No basically in that at all.

Marty was offered an extension to stay with the team. He didn't sign the extension for whatever reason. He basically chose to be fired. Yes he was fired but he had a choice. Flores did not have a choice. Do you acknowledge the difference? I know several companies that offer retention bonuses to traders. Usually 3 years at a time. If you do not sign the retention, they can let you go without cause. So, when a trader decides to not sign, is it the company firing them or they made their choice? I have a friend who lost his job because he chose not to be vaccinated. That was his choice. Flores had no such choice.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Marty got a players gf pregnant.

Greg Hills girlfriend who was a waitress at Tanner's. That was the beginning of the end.

[Covering the #]

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2014/02/25/barry-switzer-blame-jimmy-johnson-for-his-departure-from-the-dallas-cowboys-he-cheated-on-jerry-jones/

Read this Mac. He was fired. I can link a Skip Bayless (big Cowboy fan) article too if you need it.

[Demonata]

Johnson was fired. 99.9999999% would agree he was fired.

[Covering the #]

Johnson was fired. 99.9999999% would agree he was fired.

It's not hard to see Johnson and Jones wanted the media to think it was a mutual decision to keep the damage control to a minimum. I'm guessing Mac is too young to remember what really happened and might continue to deny the truth.

[pavyracer]

Johnson was fired. 99.9999999% would agree he was fired.

Were you even born when he was fired?

[Demonata]

Were you even born when he was fired?

Yes but that has no effect on if he was fired or not.

[manny24]

It's not hard to see Johnson and Jones wanted the media to think it was a mutual decision to keep the damage control to a minimum. I'm guessing Mac is too young to remember what really happened and might continue to deny the truth.

it's all he does Covers

his idea of climate change is eating hot wings dawn to dusk and running out of ice for his diet pepsi

guy makes Brock Landers seem anorexic

looks like 400 lbs of chewed gum on a plastic couch

[Demonata]

it's all he does Covers

his idea of climate change is eating hot wings dawn to dusk and running out of ice for his diet pepsi

guy makes Brock Landers seem anorexic

looks like 400 lbs of chewed gum on a plastic couch

Manny we should play mac 2 on 2 basketball. You and I vs him and vitterd lmfao!

[Demonata]

[209 Life]

Five years ago this month, William Stephen Belichick was entered as a possible material witness in the Aaron Hernandez double-murder trial. Ultimately, those proceedings came and went without the New England Patriots coach being called for testimony.
But if you’re listening to Brian Flores right now, things could go far differently in the class-action lawsuit filed by the former Miami Dolphins coach.


Because the more Flores speaks, the more he appears to point to Belichick as being a significant witness — and possibly even a participant — in some of the systemic problems plaguing the NFL’s hiring process. That’s what Flores suggested this week on the National Public Radio podcast “The Limits.” That notion went a little further beyond Belichick’s texts being included as an exhibit in the lawsuit. If you’re unfamiliar with those texts, Belichick mistakenly texted Flores what appeared to be congratulations on getting the New York Giants head coaching job. The problem: Belichick thought he was speaking to Brian Daboll, the Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator, and not Brian Flores, who had yet to have his interview for that same Giants job.
A fairly expansive lawsuit was filed in the wake of that interaction, firing off what amounts to three major allegations: Overall systemic racial discrimination against Black NFL coaches; Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross incentivizing “tanking” by offering Flores $100,000 for each loss he accrued in 2019; and Ross trying to influence Flores to tamper with a player who has been identified in media reports as Tom Brady.


Belichick’s part in the bomb blast of claims: He let the cat out of the bag when it came to Daboll’s hiring, effectively proving that the league’s minority interview mandates are little more than a sham. Flores went further on Thursday, telling "The Limits" podcast that Belichick didn’t just let the cat out of the bag with Daboll’s hiring — he also played a part of getting the cat into the bag in the first place.
As Flores framed it in the interview:
“I think there are back channel conversations and back channel meetings that are had that oftentimes influence decisions. I think [the Giants hiring process] is a clear example of that. Bill Belichick is a clear example of that. His resume speaks to that. It was clear to me that decision was made with his influence. That’s part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities to lead and earn one of those positions.”
That’s a massive statement from Flores. He has gone from saying, “Bill Belichick accidentally tipped me off to a sham interview” to “Bill Belichick played a part in the system that has created sham interviews.”
Whether that’s the case or not will be debated. Both Daboll and Flores coached for Belichick, so there’s bound to be some natural overlap when two coaches who shared time in the same Patriots program are later vying for a position with the Giants. Naturally, there would be an assumption that Belichick would get a call, particularly given that it has already been reported that Belichick was influential in helping former special teams coach Joe Judge win the previous Giants head coaching search.
This time, however, the Giants put out a statement declaring sternly: “Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants.”



As Brian Flores speaks, the deeper he draws Bill Belichick into his class-action lawsuit against the N

Thu, February 3, 2022, 9:08 PM PST



Five years ago this month, William Stephen Belichick was entered as a possible material witness in the Aaron Hernandez double-murder trial. Ultimately, those proceedings came and went without the New England Patriots coach being called for testimony.
But if you’re listening to Brian Flores right now, things could go far differently in the class-action lawsuit filed by the former Miami Dolphins coach.
Because the more Flores speaks, the more he appears to point to Belichick as being a significant witness — and possibly even a participant — in some of the systemic problems plaguing the NFL’s hiring process. That’s what Flores suggested this week on the National Public Radio podcast “The Limits.” That notion went a little further beyond Belichick’s texts being included as an exhibit in the lawsuit. If you’re unfamiliar with those texts, Belichick mistakenly texted Flores what appeared to be congratulations on getting the New York Giants head coaching job. The problem: Belichick thought he was speaking to Brian Daboll, the Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator, and not Brian Flores, who had yet to have his interview for that same Giants job.
A fairly expansive lawsuit was filed in the wake of that interaction, firing off what amounts to three major allegations: Overall systemic racial discrimination against Black NFL coaches; Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross incentivizing “tanking” by offering Flores $100,000 for each loss he accrued in 2019; and Ross trying to influence Flores to tamper with a player who has been identified in media reports as Tom Brady.



Brian Flores says Bill Belichick played an influential role in the Giants hiring Brian Daboll as head coach. (Photo by Mark Brown/Getty Images)
Belichick’s part in the bomb blast of claims: He let the cat out of the bag when it came to Daboll’s hiring, effectively proving that the league’s minority interview mandates are little more than a sham. Flores went further on Thursday, telling "The Limits" podcast that Belichick didn’t just let the cat out of the bag with Daboll’s hiring — he also played a part of getting the cat into the bag in the first place.
As Flores framed it in the interview:
“I think there are back channel conversations and back channel meetings that are had that oftentimes influence decisions. I think [the Giants hiring process] is a clear example of that. Bill Belichick is a clear example of that. His resume speaks to that. It was clear to me that decision was made with his influence. That’s part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities to lead and earn one of those positions.”
That’s a massive statement from Flores. He has gone from saying, “Bill Belichick accidentally tipped me off to a sham interview” to “Bill Belichick played a part in the system that has created sham interviews.”
Whether that’s the case or not will be debated. Both Daboll and Flores coached for Belichick, so there’s bound to be some natural overlap when two coaches who shared time in the same Patriots program are later vying for a position with the Giants. Naturally, there would be an assumption that Belichick would get a call, particularly given that it has already been reported that Belichick was influential in helping former special teams coach Joe Judge win the previous Giants head coaching search.
This time, however, the Giants put out a statement declaring sternly: “Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants.”
So how was Belichick involved? Was he asked to give an assessment of two coaches or did he play a part in fixing Daboll’s hiring? Is he merely an important reference figure on the head coaching circuit, or is he one part of a larger machine that has facilitated exponentially more white head coaches than Black ones? Those are questions that would surely be litigated if this lawsuit moves into a courtroom.
What can’t be litigated now is whether Flores’ assertion moves Belichick deeper into the folds of the legal process that we could see play out. The verdict on that is clear. It absolutely does.
If this advances to the discovery process, Flores' attorneys are going to try to showcase whatever role Belichick played and how he came to know whatever he knew about Daboll and the Giants' job. And the way you do that is to find out who else Belichick might have been texting, calling or emailing. It means he would almost certainly be deposed in this case and also very likely be called as a material witness.
That’s another fascinating aspect in this, Bill Belichick the legendary coach who answers what he wants, when he wants, and if he wants, being transformed into Bill Belichick the sworn-under-oath witness who has little choice but to explain himself. That might be the most intriguing witness box examination of an authority figure since Jack Nicholson’s Nathan Jessup told Tom Cruise’s Daniel Kaffee “you can’t handle the truth.”
One way or another, Flores is blazing a legal path toward whatever truth ultimately gets thrust into the light at the end of this. And it’s becoming more evident that part of that light is getting tilted into Belichick’s direction, whether he wants it or not.

[thomorino]

Flores is pathetic. The only reason he got a job in the first place was he was Belechick's assistant. And now he's turning on a guy who single handedly made him one of the youngest coaches in NFL history.

[d2bets]

What happens if the Texans do or don’t pick him???? Guy is suing the league. This is from pft:

The Texans still have a head-coaching vacancy. And they’re getting the word out that they’re still considering former Dolphins coach Brian Flores as a serious candidate for the job.

Per multiple reports, the three finalists are Flores, Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon, and former NFL quarterback Josh McCown.

Josh McCown wtf?

OK if he's hired over Flores that really is racism. As far as I can tell, his coaching experience is part-time QB coach for Marvin Ridge High School.

[thomorino]

Josh McCown wtf?

OK if he's hired over Flores that really is racism. As far as I can tell, his coaching experience is part-time QB coach for Marvin Ridge High School.

It has nothing to do with racism.

Teams want offensive minded head coaches, nearly every hire is an offensive coach. Flores is out because he's not a guy who can coach and develop quarterbacks.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I'd say "Why hire this guy (Flores)?"

Think about it from the Employer perspective. You give this guy serious bank...when you KNOW there are 30 other guys that do the same job at an equivalent level.

You talk to him in confidence. You give him a Bonus Offer that aligns to your team's Five Year Plan. By the way, teams normally tank from the GM side by providing inferior players.

He spills the beans AFTER he's been cashing your checks. Did he quit THE DAY he was offered those bonuses? If he did that...then THAT is a man of character.

Was he interviewed according to the Rooney Rule? I think he was. Any thanks for being given a fair shot?

If he thought he was a token candidate who went 0-for-10 on interviews, then he may have had a beef. He got the job! And he made bank, stop complaining.

[pavyracer]

Josh McCown wtf?

OK if he's hired over Flores that really is racism. As far as I can tell, his coaching experience is part-time QB coach for Marvin Ridge High School.

Goodell is under pressure to force Texans to hire Flores. If they don't they will probably lose the lawsuit as Texans not hiring him will be used against them in lawsuit when Flores is clearly the superior candidate than the other 2.

[thomorino]

Goodell is under pressure to force Texans to hire Flores. If they don't they will probably lose the lawsuit as Texans not hiring him will be used against them in lawsuit when Flores is clearly the superior candidate than the other 2.

If the Texans hire Flores they will look like complete tools.

[Yulia74]

bingo, flores is an as shole

I'd say "Why hire this guy (Flores)?"

Think about it from the Employer perspective. You give this guy serious bank...when you KNOW there are 30 other guys that do the same job at an equivalent level.

You talk to him in confidence. You give him a Bonus Offer that aligns to your team's Five Year Plan. By the way, teams normally tank from the GM side by providing inferior players.

He spills the beans AFTER he's been cashing your checks. Did he quit THE DAY he was offered those bonuses? If he did that...then THAT is a man of character.

Was he interviewed according to the Rooney Rule? I think he was. Any thanks for being given a fair shot?

If he thought he was a token candidate who went 0-for-10 on interviews, then he may have had a beef. He got the job! And he made bank, stop complaining.

[pavyracer]

If the Texans hire Flores they will look like complete tools.

Well the other 2 that are considering are inferior white candidates and they are interviewing Flores for the Rooney rule. So if they don't hire him his lawsuit is a slam dunk.

[thomorino]

Well the other 2 that are considering are inferior white candidates and they are interviewing Flores for the Rooney rule. So if they don't hire him his lawsuit is a slam dunk.

His lawsuit is garbage, he already got a head coaching job in his thirties. He doesn't have a job because most teams don't know any defensive coaches and he's not anything special as a coach.

[pavyracer]

His lawsuit is garbage, he already got a head coaching job in his thirties. He doesn't have a job because most teams don't know any defensive coaches and he's not anything special as a coach.

It is not garbage. White NFL owners don't hire black coaches. Does not matter if they are defense or offense. When he wins his lawsuit he won't have to work again. The NFL is going to pay for their discrimination rules.

[MinnesotaFats]

It is not garbage. White NFL owners don't hire black coaches. Does not matter if they are defense or offense. When he wins his lawsuit he won't have to work again. The NFL is going to pay for their discrimination rules.

He has absolutely 0 shot at this lawsuit

It WILL BE DISMISSED, on summary judgment

But there might be some discovery prior that could be embarrassing

But here's the bigger question

Why is it so hard for the minority 'opinion' world to accept that big business doesn't want blacks?

They don't want black owners, gms, managers and if it were practical, players.

Blacks DESTROY every business, apartment, home, community, city, State & Country (and continent) they've ever run or been in the majority control of.

Why is it such an unwarranted opinion then to opt to disassociate yourself from them?

Why is that wrong? When had history proven the "black man" to be right, virtuous, a champion or a leader? When has the black populous self governed?

[KiDBaZkiT]

Asinine. I love how people are acting like there is just this plethora of successful black coaches that are sleeping in homeless shelters because of big bad whitey. Gimme a fukking break already. That’s what Brian Flores notices when he looks at other coaches? Their skin color? Not the quality of coach they are or are not? What a fukking racist scum bag. They make up 13% of the population but are somehow supposed to make up a significant % of a job that only has 32 positions available? Look at all the dumb ass shit they do off the field. What are people supposed to think? They are all just these well behaved and cool mannered individuals? Enough already with this “he won a handful of his last games” He also started out 1-7 and if they didn’t have the Jets twice, 3rd string Saints QB, Giants, Lowly Panthers guy would of finished with a sub .500 record. Why was he so against tanking? What a fukking idiot. That’s just like a black person to not listen to their boss and the person who owns the company they receive a paycheck from. Guy is a fukking idiot and I if the NFL starts giving head coaching jobs to unqualified candidates because of their skin color then I won’t be able to think of anything more racist in sports.

[KiDBaZkiT]

So sick of all these blacks complaining. STFU and clean up your own communities. Do something about the gang violence and black on black crime across the country if you want some fukking respect. Quit glorifying musical artists who rap/sing about sex, drug abuse, drug dealing, gun use, gun ownership, murder. Go read some of the top black female artists lyrics, that’s what young black women have to look up to? “Throw that duck in the back of my throat” Yiunhave any idea how many multi platinum selling black artists frequently talk about shorting each other and sending out their “Shootaz”? Then they have the nerve to March and burn down cities when some idiot dope fiend gets murdered by a cop just because the officer is white? Then when an innocent child gets hit with a bullet and dies as a result of a drive by shooting they won’t even burn down a stop sign? Who’s the real racist here?

[MinnesotaFats]

The KID gets it

I had to literally drag a black pos out of my shop this AM.

Had broken in overnight to sleep. Took a shit & piss in the waiting area.

I beat him & thru him onto Lake Street

[thomorino]

He has absolutely 0 shot at this lawsuit

It WILL BE DISMISSED, on summary judgment

But there might be some discovery prior that could be embarrassing

But here's the bigger question

Why is it so hard for the minority 'opinion' world to accept that big business doesn't want blacks?

They don't want black owners, gms, managers and if it were practical, players.

Blacks DESTROY every business, apartment, home, community, city, State & Country (and continent) they've ever run or been in the majority control of.

Why is it such an unwarranted opinion then to opt to disassociate yourself from them?

Why is that wrong? When had history proven the "black man" to be right, virtuous, a champion or a leader? When has the black populous self governed?

85 percent of the players in the NFL are black, the owners want to make money not discriminate.

[thomorino]

It is not garbage. White NFL owners don't hire black coaches. Does not matter if they are defense or offense. When he wins his lawsuit he won't have to work again. The NFL is going to pay for their discrimination rules.

Th ides of this shit going trial is zero. Th NFL will never go through discovery. There also likely is an arbitration clause that precludes arbitration before the arbitrator has ruled

[MinnesotaFats]

85 percent of the players in the NFL are black, the owners want to make money not discriminate.

Yup, and damn near 100% of the disciplinary issues are black.

That's where they lose money

You make money by winning

Blacks are losers

Blacks lose yesterday, today, and tomorrow

[BeatTheJerk]

The KID gets it

I had to literally drag a black pos out of my shop this AM.

Had broken in overnight to sleep. Took a shit & piss in the waiting area.

I beat him & thru him onto Lake Street

What kind of shop you have Minny ?

[MinnesotaFats]

What kind of shop you have Minny ?

14 payday/ check cashing joints in mpls/ stp

[thomorino]

I just watched highlights of super bowl 41, I realized at the end of the Colts-Bears super bowl there were 2 black coaches at the time and it wasn't even a story.

It shows how pathetic some on the left have become that 2 black coaches coaching in the super bowl wasn't a story back then, and now even though over 80% of the NFL players are black some idiots are arguing the NFL is racist.

[gummo]

If the NFL were smart they would just turn over the whole operations to Black Lives Matter.

[Demonata]

The KID gets it

I had to literally drag a black pos out of my shop this AM.

Had broken in overnight to sleep. Took a shit & piss in the waiting area.

I beat him & thru him onto Lake Street

Yeah only times I have had guns pulled on me or shot at working is from black people. When I got stabbed was a black guy as well, he stabbed me because I was white, he said I was racist since I wouldn't let him sleep on the property. Also when in fast food they just leave trash everywhere.