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  • jjgold
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    #36
    Another great game
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    • d2bets
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      #37
      Originally posted by stevenash
      And the Bulls get Zach back next week, Vucevic is a top five center, he's having another monster season averaging a double/double a game...
      That Bulls team's going to be trouble for Milwaukee and the rest come east conference playoff time.
      They have three bona fide studs.
      Adding Tristan Thompson. Not a superstar by any means, but exactly he kind of vet player they needed at 4/5 with some more length, defense and rebounding. He certainly can't be worse than Tony Bradley.

      Gotta get Caruso back healthy. He changes the defense entirely. People forget that while he was playing the Bulls defense was top quarter. Ball also for his perimeter defense.
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      • jjgold
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        #38
        Thompson ok

        Has played in big moments
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        • actiondan
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          #39
          Patrick Williams should be back next month. Eastern Conference finals is realistic
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          • thomorino
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            #40
            Originally posted by d2bets
            DeMar DeRozan last 6 games:

            40 PTS | 67 FG%
            38 PTS | 50 FG%
            35 PTS | 64 FG%
            36 PTS | 68 FG%
            38 PTS | 59 FG%
            45 PTS | 60 FG%

            35+ points in 6 straight games shooting 50%+ each has been done twice in NBA history. Both by Wilt Chamberlain.

            Wilt never got to 7 though.
            You can't compare stats across eras an DeRozan has always been good in the regular season. He gets exposed in the playoffs every year because he's a ball dominant player who isn't a play maker. He barely shoots 40% from the field in the playoffs, and doesn't even shoot 3's.
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            • d2bets
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              #41
              Originally posted by thomorino
              You can't compare stats across eras an DeRozan has always been good in the regular season. He gets exposed in the playoffs every year because he's a ball dominant player who isn't a play maker. He barely shoots 40% from the field in the playoffs, and doesn't even shoot 3's.
              Can you compare the fact that nobody has ever done what he's done in any era including this one and any other one? Actually it only makes it more impressive. Wilt was a giant among midgets who dunked at will. The fact that DeMar passed him in the scoring/efficiency stretch is insane. Granted, it's 7 games and only 7 games.

              DeMar has always been good, but never anywhere close to this good. Off the charts. Wonder what you'll say if he doesn't get "exposed" in the playoffs this year. His last playoff appearance in 18-19 he shot almost 50%. He's a much better overall player now than he was when he was younger. Not a playmaker lol
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              • thomorino
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                #42
                Originally posted by d2bets
                Can you compare the fact that nobody has ever done what he's done in any era including this one and any other one? Actually it only makes it more impressive. Wilt was a giant among midgets who dunked at will. The fact that DeMar passed him in the scoring/efficiency stretch is insane. Granted, it's 7 games and only 7 games.

                DeMar has always been good, but never anywhere close to this good. Off the charts. Wonder what you'll say if he doesn't get "exposed" in the playoffs this year. His last playoff appearance in 18-19 he shot almost 50%. He's a much better overall player now than he was when he was younger. Not a playmaker lol
                He's not a much better player, he's always been a good mid-range shooter, and the league has gotten softer.

                He gets exposed in the playoff every year, and he will be exposed this year too.

                I will make a loser leave the forum forever bet with you that his field goal percentage will go down in the playoffs. He's not a playmaker either, which is why when he faces better defenders in the playoffs he gets exposed.
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                • d2bets
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by thomorino
                  He's not a much better player, he's always been a good mid-range shooter, and the league has gotten softer.

                  He gets exposed in the playoff every year, and he will be exposed this year too.

                  I will make a loser leave the forum forever bet with you that his field goal percentage will go down in the playoffs. He's not a playmaker either, which is why when he faces better defenders in the playoffs he gets exposed.
                  "Will go down" lol. Damn near impossible to keep up 52%. Who's your favorite star wing playoff performer (Giannis not a wing)? I'll take DeMar FG% over his. Name him. Booker, Jaylen Brown, Wiggins, Harden, Doncic, Curry, Mitchell, Middleton....who you want? Has to start and score at least 18ppg to count. LeBron doesn't count either.
                  Last edited by d2bets; 02-17-22, 11:25 AM.
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                  • thomorino
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by d2bets
                    "Will go down" lol. Damn near impossible to keep up 52%. Who's your favorite star wing playoff performer (Giannis not a wing)? I'll take DeMar FG% over his. Name him.
                    You just started a thread talking about how historically great Derozean season is. 52% for an all-star level player who rarely shoots 3's isn't hard at all.

                    Derozean's field goal percentage is artificially higher since he rarely shoots 3's.

                    It's obviously better to shoot 46% from the field and 40% from 3 than to shoot 52% from the field and be unable to shoot 3's at all.

                    Every top level player see their numbers go up not down in the playoffs - Derozean's numbers go down ,and down significantly, in the playoffs, every year.
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                    • thomorino
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by d2bets
                      "Will go down" lol. Damn near impossible to keep up 52%. Who's your favorite star wing playoff performer (Giannis not a wing)? I'll take DeMar FG% over his. Name him. Booker, Jaylen Brown, Wiggins, Harden, Doncic, Curry, Mitchell....who you want?
                      If most of the top player in the league only shot 2 pointers they would be well over 52% from the field, the best 3 point shooters in the league are barely 40% from the 3 point line, and the best shooters obviously take a good number of 3's.
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                      • thomorino
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by d2bets
                        "Will go down" lol. Damn near impossible to keep up 52%. Who's your favorite star wing playoff performer (Giannis not a wing)? I'll take DeMar FG% over his. Name him. Booker, Jaylen Brown, Wiggins, Harden, Doncic, Curry, Mitchell, Middleton....who you want?
                        I would never do a comparison wager with you - because even though players like Tatum are far better than Derozean, they won't shoot the same field goal percentage as him because they shoot far more 3's.

                        The top wings are still all better than Derozean, and its not close.
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                        • jjgold
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                          #47
                          Morino knows the game
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                          • stevenash
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by jjgold
                            Jokic can win every year
                            Guys does it all
                            The NBA updates what they call an MVP tracker on a daily basis.
                            I don't have time to break down how the NBA calculates these numbers, it's elaborate, I have no disposable time right now for a math class.

                            As of right now.
                            Jokic has a little better than a one in three chance.
                            Giannis, about a one one in four chance.
                            Embid, one in ten chance.

                            4-10 dark horses.
                            For now.


                            Rk Player Team FG% 3P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK PTS Prob%
                            1 Nikola Jokić DEN 0.57 0.372 0.808 13.8 7.9 1.3 0.8 26 37.00%
                            2 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 0.547 0.304 0.72 11.3 6 0.9 1.4 29.4 26.40%
                            3 Joel Embiid PHI 0.491 0.36 0.813 11.1 4.5 1 1.5 29.3 10.20%
                            4 Chris Paul PHO 0.487 0.33 0.843 4.5 10.7 1.9 0.3 14.9 9.60%
                            5 Rudy Gobert UTA 0.711 0 0.689 14.8 1.2 0.8 2.3 15.7 3.40%
                            6 Stephen Curry GSW 0.427 0.379 0.919 5.3 6.3 1.4 0.4 25.8 3.40%
                            7 Ja Morant MEM 0.495 0.33 0.755 5.8 6.9 1.2 0.4 26.8 2.90%
                            8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.448 0.329 0.734 9 9 1.2 0.5 27 2.60%
                            9 DeMar DeRozan CHI 0.517 0.343 0.866 5.2 5.1 0.9 0.3 28.1 2.40%
                            10 Devin Booker PHO 0.446 0.369 0.863 5.2 4.5 1 0.4 25.5 2.00%
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                            • thomorino
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by stevenash
                              The NBA updates what they call an MVP tracker on a daily basis.
                              I don't have time to break down how the NBA calculates these numbers, it's elaborate, I have no disposable time right now for a math class.

                              As of right now.
                              Jokic has a little better than a one in three chance.
                              Giannis, about a one one in four chance.
                              Embid, one in ten chance.

                              4-10 dark horses.
                              For now.


                              Rk Player Team FG% 3P% FT% TRB AST STL BLK PTS Prob%
                              1 Nikola Jokić DEN 0.57 0.372 0.808 13.8 7.9 1.3 0.8 26 37.00%
                              2 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 0.547 0.304 0.72 11.3 6 0.9 1.4 29.4 26.40%
                              3 Joel Embiid PHI 0.491 0.36 0.813 11.1 4.5 1 1.5 29.3 10.20%
                              4 Chris Paul PHO 0.487 0.33 0.843 4.5 10.7 1.9 0.3 14.9 9.60%
                              5 Rudy Gobert UTA 0.711 0 0.689 14.8 1.2 0.8 2.3 15.7 3.40%
                              6 Stephen Curry GSW 0.427 0.379 0.919 5.3 6.3 1.4 0.4 25.8 3.40%
                              7 Ja Morant MEM 0.495 0.33 0.755 5.8 6.9 1.2 0.4 26.8 2.90%
                              8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.448 0.329 0.734 9 9 1.2 0.5 27 2.60%
                              9 DeMar DeRozan CHI 0.517 0.343 0.866 5.2 5.1 0.9 0.3 28.1 2.40%
                              10 Devin Booker PHO 0.446 0.369 0.863 5.2 4.5 1 0.4 25.5 2.00%
                              Your dumb charts are worthless. Embiid is the clear front runner, unlike Jokic he actually plays defense and he dominates. Giannis hasn't even played enough games or minutes to be in the MVP conversation.
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                              • stevenash
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                Your dumb charts are worthless. Embiid is the clear front runner, unlike Jokic he actually plays defense and he dominates. Giannis hasn't even played enough games or minutes to be in the MVP conversation.
                                Not my charts.
                                This is the NBA data, I'm just reporting it.
                                You're welcome to your opinions.
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                                • thomorino
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by stevenash
                                  Not my charts.
                                  This is the NBA data, I'm just reporting it.
                                  You're welcome to your opinions.
                                  Embiid is favored to win the MVP in every betting market. Again, your charts you rely on are trash. Half those players haven't even played enough games to be in consideration for the MVP.
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                                  • stevenash
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                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by thomorino
                                    Your dumb charts are worthless. Embiid is the clear front runner, unlike Jokic he actually plays defense and he dominates. Giannis hasn't even played enough games or minutes to be in the MVP conversation.
                                    Oh, by the way.
                                    Giannis has started more games than Embid this season, and they average EXACTLY the same amount of minutes played.

                                    Once again you just post anything you want off the top of your head, try to pass it off as fact, and once again you get proved wrong.
                                    I won't and can't debate something with you or somebody like that.
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                                    • d2bets
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                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                      Oh, by the way.
                                      Giannis has started more games than Embid this season, and they average EXACTLY the same amount of minutes played.

                                      Once again you just post anything you want off the top of your head, try to pass it off as fact, and once again you get proved wrong.
                                      I won't and can't debate something with you or somebody like that.
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                                      • thomorino
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by stevenash
                                        Oh, by the way.
                                        Giannis has started more games than Embid this season, and they average EXACTLY the same amount of minutes played.

                                        Once again you just post anything you want off the top of your head, try to pass it off as fact, and once again you get proved wrong.
                                        I won't and can't debate something with you or somebody like that.
                                        Embiid has played more minutes and his usage right is far higher than Giainis's. Just stop. Gianis has left multiple games with injuries.

                                        Just stop.
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                                        • d2bets
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by thomorino
                                          Embiid has played more minutes and his usage right is far higher than Giainis's. Just stop. Gianis has left multiple games with injuries.

                                          Just stop.
                                          What's wrong with you?



                                          Giannis
                                          2021-22 MIL Reg 48 1564:37 483 883 54.7 56 184 30.4 389 540 72.0 90 450 540 287 159 45 67 1,411
                                          Embiid
                                          2021-22 PHI Reg 45 1477:45 425 866 49.1 59 164 36.0 410 504 81.3 89 411 500 202 131 46 66 1,319
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                                          • stevenash
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                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by thomorino
                                            Embiid has played more minutes and his usage right is far higher than Giainis's. Just stop. Gianis has left multiple games with injuries.

                                            Just stop.
                                            Stop deflecting, you said Giannis hasn't played enough games to be even considered.
                                            You lied, and I'm not going to let you deflect off of this page so you can cover up your fraudulent statement.
                                            Get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Until then, you're not going to get a debate out of me.
                                            Why? Because you make shit up.

                                            I don't like you, and I don't respect you is another reason.
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                                            • thomorino
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by stevenash
                                              Oh, by the way.
                                              Giannis has started more games than Embid this season, and they average EXACTLY the same amount of minutes played.

                                              Once again you just post anything you want off the top of your head, try to pass it off as fact, and once again you get proved wrong.
                                              I won't and can't debate something with you or somebody like that.
                                              And wrong, Embiid averages more minutes per game than Gianis. Literally everything you type is dumb and wrong.
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                                              • thomorino
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                                Stop deflecting, you said Giannis hasn't played enough games to be even considered.
                                                You lied, and I'm not going to let you deflect off of this page so you can cover up your fraudulent statement.
                                                Get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Until then, you're not going to get a debate out of me.
                                                Why? Because you make shit up.

                                                I don't like you, and I don't respect you is another reason.
                                                Wrong, Embiid averages more minutes than Giannis. You are wrong about everything.

                                                Again, make the bet with me about who will win the MVP - you won't, because you are a coward.
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                                                • d2bets
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  Wrong, Embiid averages more minutes than Giannis. You are wrong about everything.

                                                  Again, make the bet with me about who will win the MVP - you won't, because you are a coward.
                                                  Now you change it to average, which is virtually the same anyway. To say that Giannis hasn't played enough to be considered but Embiid has is thomoronic.
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                                                  • thomorino
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by d2bets
                                                    What's wrong with you?



                                                    Giannis
                                                    2021-22 MIL Reg 48 1564:37 483 883 54.7 56 184 30.4 389 540 72.0 90 450 540 287 159 45 67 1,411
                                                    Embiid
                                                    2021-22 PHI Reg 45 1477:45 425 866 49.1 59 164 36.0 410 504 81.3 89 411 500 202 131 46 66 1,319
                                                    Embiid averages more minutes - shut up.
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                                                    • thomorino
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                                      Now you change it to average, which is virtually the same anyway. To say that Giannis hasn't played enough to be considered but Embiid has is thomoronic.
                                                      Gianis isn't in the conversation for MVP right now - and its not close. Just stop, Your comments are dumb.
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                                                      • stevenash
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                                                        #62
                                                        32.8 MPG average Embid
                                                        32.6 MPG average Giannis

                                                        In the math circles that is a statistical dead heat.

                                                        I have one question, answer it please.
                                                        You stated Giannis doesn't even have enough games or minutes to even be considered.
                                                        Why did you say that?

                                                        Seriously, what is wrong with you buddy.
                                                        I post a MVP tracker chart provided by the NBA, you don't like what you see and you go off like an eight year old on a temper tantrum because he didn't get a donut with his milk.

                                                        Why did you say Giannis doesn't have enough time when they both play the same amount per game.
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                                                        • thomorino
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          32.8 MPG average Embid
                                                          32.6 MPG average Giannis

                                                          In the math circles that is a statistical dead heat.

                                                          I have one question, answer it please.
                                                          You stated Giannis doesn't even have enough games or minutes to even be considered.
                                                          Why did you say that?

                                                          Seriously, what is wrong with you buddy.
                                                          I post a MVP tracker chart provided by the NBA, you don't like what you see and you go off like an eight year old on a temper tantrum because he didn't get a donut with his milk.

                                                          Why did you say Giannis doesn't have enough time when they both play the same amount per game.
                                                          This little guy is triggered. I just pointed out how dumb as usual your comments were.

                                                          Again, Embiid has played more minutes per game than Giannis.
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                                                          • stevenash
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by thomorino
                                                            This little guy is triggered. I just pointed out how dumb as usual your comments were.

                                                            Again, Embiid has played more minutes per game than Giannis.
                                                            Not triggered at all.
                                                            You made a fraudulent statement, you said Giannis doesn't deserve to be in the MVP consideration because he hasn't played in enough games and doesn't have enough minutes.

                                                            I posted a fact sheet provided by the NBA, which is relevant to this topic, you didn't like what you saw, so (in my opinion) you decided to make up a fraudulent stat, thinking, this is my opinion, that nobody will catch you in your fraudulent lie.

                                                            You did the same thing when you said Teddy Bridgewater won ten consecutive games.
                                                            I proved that wrong too.

                                                            Stop talking, in order to be a know it all, you have to know something first.

                                                            Tell me why you said Giannis doesn't have enough games played, and not enough minutes.
                                                            You can't.
                                                            Because you'll never admit you're wrong.
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                                                            • thomorino
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by stevenash
                                                              Not triggered at all.
                                                              You made a fraudulent statement, you said Giannis doesn't deserve to be in the MVP consideration because he hasn't played in enough games and doesn't have enough minutes.

                                                              I posted a fact sheet provided by the NBA, which is relevant to this topic, you didn't like what you saw, so (in my opinion) you decided to make up a fraudulent stat, thinking, this is my opinion, that nobody will catch you in your fraudulent lie.

                                                              You did the same thing when you said Teddy Bridgewater won ten consecutive games.
                                                              I proved that wrong too.

                                                              Stop talking, in order to be a know it all, you have to know something first.

                                                              Tell me why you said Giannis doesn't have enough games played, and not enough minutes.
                                                              You can't.
                                                              Because you'll never admit you're wrong.
                                                              Again, Embiid plays more minutes per game than Giannis, Giannis is not currently in the MVP conversation, and you are wrong as usual.

                                                              Just stop.
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                                                              • stevenash
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                                                                #66
                                                                I'm done for now.
                                                                a) because you're arguing with lies, not facts.
                                                                b) you refuse to answer my question which is "why did you say Giannis doesn't have enough games played"
                                                                c) I don't like you or respect you

                                                                Get help.
                                                                See ya around.

                                                                Not for nothing 1564:37 > 1477:45
                                                                That's how math works.
                                                                When it's all said and done and there's nothing left to say or do, then it's time to say good night pal.
                                                                My work here is done.

                                                                Go ahead, insult my wife again, say whatever you have to say, doesn't matter.

                                                                Later

                                                                2021-22 MIL Reg 48 1564:37 483 883 54.7 56 184 30.4 389 540 72.0 90 450 540 287 159 45 67 1,411

                                                                Embiid
                                                                2021-22 PHI Reg 45 1477:45 425 866 49.1 59 164 36.0 410 504 81.3 89 411 500 202 131 46 66 1,319
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                                                                • thomorino
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                  I'm done for now.
                                                                  a) because you're arguing with lies, not facts.
                                                                  b) you refuse to answer my question which is "why did you say Giannis doesn't have enough games played"
                                                                  c) I don't like you or respect you

                                                                  Get help.
                                                                  See ya around.

                                                                  Not for nothing 1564:37 > 1477:45
                                                                  That's how math works.
                                                                  When it's all said and done and there's nothing left to say or do, then it's time to say good night pal.
                                                                  My work here is done.

                                                                  Go ahead, insult my wife again, say whatever you have to say, doesn't matter.

                                                                  Later

                                                                  2021-22 MIL Reg 48 1564:37 483 883 54.7 56 184 30.4 389 540 72.0 90 450 540 287 159 45 67 1,411

                                                                  Embiid
                                                                  2021-22 PHI Reg 45 1477:45 425 866 49.1 59 164 36.0 410 504 81.3 89 411 500 202 131 46 66 1,319
                                                                  Giannis isn't in the conversation for MVP right now. Shut up.
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                                                                  • thomorino
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Embiid do inated and outplays Giannis in everyway tonight
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                                                                    • mjsuax13
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by thomorino
                                                                      Embiid do inated and outplays Giannis in everyway tonight
                                                                      Counselor, can you repeat that in English please?
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                                                                      • thomorino
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        Embiid completely dominates Giannis. Again, Giannis isn't in the MVP conversation.
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