DeMar DeRozan

[thomorino]

Vucevic is a horrible defender. Lavine, Caruso and Ball been hurt a lot. Williams out all year. No power forward. So, uh, why do you suppose the Bulls are T-1st in the East?

Well, PHiladelphia didn't have Harden the first half. Boston was trash the first half. Nets didn't have Kyrie or Durant for much of the first half. Toronto was trash for most of the first half of the season.

Again, absent injuries Bulls have zero shot to make the conference finals.

The Bulls were healthy for most of the first half of the season and they are built for the regular season, they are a very young team.

[vitterd]

Well, PHiladelphia didn't have Harden the first half. Boston was trash the first half. Nets didn't have Kyrie or Durant for much of the first half. Toronto was trash for most of the first half of the season.

Again, absent injuries Bulls have zero shot to make the conference finals.

The Bulls were healthy for most of the first half of the season and they are built for the regular season, they are a very young team.

You said Harden would be a bad fit and it would be bad for Maxey. I told you it wouldn’t. Listen to me and you’ll be right sometimes.

[thomorino]

You said Harden would be a bad fit and it would be bad for Maxey. I told you it wouldn’t. Listen to me and you’ll be right sometimes.

That's not what I said.

I said Maxey needs the ball to be effective and Curry was a better fit. I never said Harden would be a bad fit.

I don't think Maxey will be effective with Harden and Embiid - Minnesota plays no defense and it was 1 game - 1 game means nothing.

[d2bets]

Well, PHiladelphia didn't have Harden the first half. Boston was trash the first half. Nets didn't have Kyrie or Durant for much of the first half. Toronto was trash for most of the first half of the season.

Again, absent injuries Bulls have zero shot to make the conference finals.

The Bulls were healthy for most of the first half of the season and they are built for the regular season, they are a very young team.

Playoffs are irrelevant to MVP, and your opinion on the playoffs is even less than relevant.

The Bulls have had more missed injury time than any other team in the top 10 in the East. "Absent injuries" the Bulls would probably be running away with the East. You made a bunch of excuses for every team when the Bulls have more reason for excuses than anyone.

DeMar is the only reason the Bulls are 39-21 and not 21-39. They've won a ton of close games and he's the reason why every time.

[vitterd]

That's not what I said.

I said Maxey needs the ball to be effective and Curry was a better fit. I never said Harden would be a bad fit.

I don't think Maxey will be effective with Harden and Embiid - Minnesota plays no defense and it was 1 game - 1 game means nothing.

Maxey will be just fine off the ball. He will also be in rotation with 2nd unit many times where he runs the point. His shooting continues to improve. Curry is a terrible defender and was definitely expendable.

[vitterd]

Playoffs are irrelevant to MVP, and your opinion on the playoffs is even less than relevant.

The Bulls have had more missed injury time than any other team in the top 10 in the East. "Absent injuries" the Bulls would probably be running away with the East. You made a bunch of excuses for every team when the Bulls have more reason for excuses than anyone.

DeMar is the only reason the Bulls are 39-21 and not 21-39.

Bulls have a brutal 5/6 game stretch coming up. Wanna see how they handle it.

[thomorino]

Playoffs are irrelevant to MVP, and your opinion on the playoffs is even less than relevant.

The Bulls have had more missed injury time than any other team in the top 10 in the East. "Absent injuries" the Bulls would probably be running away with the East. You made a bunch of excuses for every team when the Bulls have more reason for excuses than anyone.

DeMar is the only reason the Bulls are 39-21 and not 21-39.

Demar Derozean will not be the MVP. He has zero impact on the game other than scoring, his scoring is no different than Embiid's. Embiid is the better passer, rebounder, defender.

Its not even close.

[thomorino]

Maxey will be just fine off the ball. He will also be in rotation with 2nd unit many times where he runs the point. His shooting continues to improve. Curry is a terrible defender and was definitely expendable.

I disagree and Curry is not a bad defender, that is completely false. Maxey is undersized and much more of a defensive liability than Curry.

[champlain]

Props dbets to get Derozan at 35-1 or 40-1 as mvp. I hope you put a lot of bank on that play. He’s down to +600 or +800 now.

[stevenash]

Props dbets to get Derozan at 35-1 or 40-1 as mvp. I hope you put a lot of bank on that play. He’s down to +600 or +800 now.

I got a 100 down on Jokic Thursday at +300
He's having a once in a lifetime season.

[vitterd]

I disagree and Curry is not a bad defender, that is completely false. Maxey is undersized and much more of a defensive liability than Curry.

That is just factually incorrect. Sixers always took curry off the floor in big defensive situations because teams isolate against him. You must not watch many sixers games.

[thomorino]

That is just factually incorrect. Sixers always took curry off the floor in big defensive situations because teams isolate against him. You must not watch many sixers games.

That's not true, buy a tv. Thybulle was better defensively than Curry, but Curry was not a defensive liability at all.

[d2bets]

Demar Derozean will not be the MVP. He has zero impact on the game other than scoring, his scoring is no different than Embiid's. Embiid is the better passer, rebounder, defender.

Its not even close.

Could go either way. Depends on these last 6 weeks.

[d2bets]

Props dbets to get Derozan at 35-1 or 40-1 as mvp. I hope you put a lot of bank on that play. He’s down to +600 or +800 now.

I did as much as I could. Have like 6 or 7 bets. My limits suck.

[d2bets]

I got a 100 down on Jokic Thursday at +300
He's having a once in a lifetime season.

Not really. He's just that good. He could do it again last season. It would be more impressive though if Denver won more games.

[thomorino]

Props dbets to get Derozan at 35-1 or 40-1 as mvp. I hope you put a lot of bank on that play. He’s down to +600 or +800 now.

Derozean is 13-1 at draftkings

[stevenash]

Not really. He's just that good. He could do it again last season. It would be more impressive though if Denver won more games.

That's on Calvin Booth and that dopey Ann Walton Kroenke, that's not on either Malone or Jokic.

I know a little about sports business, I know baseball too.
Walton-Kroenke is the daughter of Bud Walton of the Walmart retail chain.

Bud Walton was the founder of Walmart, his daughter Ann now owns the Nuggets with daddy's money.
Bud Walton also own the KC Royals which he bought when Mr. Kaufman died, whom the Royals stadium The "K" is named after.
Now it's no longer Kaufman Stadium.


Bud Walton's right hand man in retail was David Glass.
When Mr. Walton died, David Glass bought the Royals with the money he earned as CEO of Walmart and stock.

The Walton's are retail giants, but they don't know how to run a sport business.
Professional sports business can not be run like a retail box store chain busines.
Two different animals.

Point being, Glass ran the Royals like a Walmart store in the Midwest.
Pro athletes albeit employees, they are not an employee like eight dollar an hour store cashier or stock boy, and damn near ran that team into the ground.

The Royals went to consecutive World Series in spite of Glass, Dayton Moore the best GM nobody has heard of, and maybe the best GM in the game put those teams together with a nothing budget.

That's my lead in to the Nuggets situation.
Their owner, like I said is yet another Walmart billionaire who knows all about retail but when it comes to sports is an idiot.
Her right hand man in the Nuggets is Calvin Booth.

Booth played NBA ball for a decade as a backup, has an impressive Penn State degree.
He's NBA smart, right after playing he worked for the Pelicans as a scout, worked his way through all the front office positions.
Problem is, just like the Royals, the Walmart money doesn't spend it on the business they bought.
To them, it's just another store.

Booth has to get creative like Moore did for the Nuggets to compete for a West finals.
Right now they need at least two more pieces for Jokic.
Maybe three.

[thomorino]

That's on Calvin Booth and that dopey Ann Walton Kroenke, that's not on either Malone or Jokic.

I know a little about sports business, I know baseball too.
Walton-Kroenke is the daughter of Sam Walton of the Walmart retail chain.

Bud Walton was the founder of Walmart, his daughter Ann now owns the Nuggets with daddy's money.
Bud Walton also own the KC Royals which he bought when Mr. Kaufman died, whom the Royals stadium The "K" is named after.
Now it's no longer Kaufman Stadium.


Bud Walton's right hand man in retail was David Glass.
When Mr. Walton dies, David Glass bought the Royals with the money he earned as CEO of Walmart and stock.

The Walton's are retail giants, but they don't know how to run a sport business.
Professional sports business can not be run like a retail box store chain busines.
Two different animals.

Point being, Glass ran the Royals like a Walmart store in the Midwest.
Pro athletes albeit employees, they are not an employee like eight dollar an hour store cashier or stock boy, and damn near ran that team into the ground.

The Royals went to consecutive World Series in spite of Glass, Dayton Moore the best GM nobody has heard of, and maybe the best GM in the gam put those teams together with a nothing budget.

That's my lead in to the Nuggets situation.
Their owner, like I said is yet another Walmart billionaire who knows all about retail but when it comes to sports is an idiot.
Her right hand man in the Nuggets is Calvin Booth.

Booth played NBA ball for a decade as a backup, has an impressive Penn State degree.
He's NBA smart, right after playing he worked for the Pelicans as a scout, worked his way through all the front office positions.
Problem is, just like the Royals, the Walmart money doesn't spend it on the business they bought.
To them, it's just another store.

Booth has to get creative like Moore did for the Nuggets to compete for a West finals.
Right now they need at least two more pieces for Jokic.
Maybe three.

The Royals are a small market team, that's why they don't spend a lot. It really has nothing to do with ownership.

[stevenash]

The Royals are a small market team, that's why they don't spend a lot. It really has nothing to do with ownership.

The Walton's have billions to put into Denver and KC though.
They were at one time top 20 in the US.
I don't know what they're worth now, I'll check later, they still have to be very high on the list.

Yeah, KC is very small market, what Dayton Moore did was nothing short of genius, the Zack Greinke deal with the Brewers for instance should put him in the Hall of Fame.

Booth is smart enough to get another shooter, he has to be under some kind of budget limitations.

[thomorino]

Not really. He's just that good. He could do it again last season. It would be more impressive though if Denver won more games.

Contenders don't lose by 20 to Memphis at home, Bulls are a good story, they aren't contenders and they aren't getting to the conference finals. Vucevic got exposed again tonight, Jackson was too much for him.

[stevenash]

DeRozan is heaving a brutal night shooting, he had to come back down to earth.

Jokic is winning the Sabonis war, Jokic only has three shot attempted.
He's in pass mode, he's got like six assists already.
he'll get his double/double, but he's passing tonight, he won't put up a monster point total, he's doing everything else tonight though.

Trae Young is having the monster night so far.

[thomorino]

Vucevic was -18 and Thompson was +14

The Bulls cannot defend good teams with Vucevic on the floor - they are not a contender and they won't make the playoffs with Vucevic starting at the 5

[jjgold]

Young always has monster games
Morant showed bulls who the boss is

DeRozan is heaving a brutal night shooting, he had to come back down to earth.

Jokic is winning the Sabonis war, Jokic only has three shot attempted.
He's in pass mode, he's got like six assists already.
he'll get his double/double, but he's passing tonight, he won't put up a monster point total, he's doing everything else tonight though.

Trae Young is having the monster night so far.

[stevenash]

Vucevic was -18 and Thompson was +14

The Bulls cannot defend good teams with Vucevic on the floor - they are not a contender and they won't make the playoffs with Vucevic starting at the 5

You watching this Bucks game?
Portis is a beast.

[thomorino]

Vucevic was -18 and Thompson was +14

The Bulls cannot defend good teams with Vucevic on the floor - they are not a contender and they won't make the playoffs with Vucevic starting at the 5

I meant conference finals obviously, not playoffs

[d2bets]

Vucevic was -18 and Thompson was +14

The Bulls cannot defend good teams with Vucevic on the floor - they are not a contender and they won't make the playoffs with Vucevic starting at the 5

I assume you meant won't win in the playoffs, not won't make the playoffs?

[stevenash]

Jokic got his 14th straight double/double.
Needs three more boards for a triple/double.

Sounds funny, but he didn't really have a good night.

[stevenash]

Jokic got his triple/double.

[IBetYou]

Vucevic was -18 and Thompson was +14

The Bulls cannot defend good teams with Vucevic on the floor - they are not a contender and they won't make the playoffs with Vucevic starting at the 5

Bulls just don't do anything to help their big guy. DeRozan & LaVine are typical American guards just looking for their own shot every time -only time they kick it to Vucevic is when they drive and draw two and he's out on the perimeter. What he really needs is a steady dose of paint points like he had in Orlando. I;m agreeing with you though, Bulls aren't a contender, not by a long shot.

[IBetYou]

DeRozan great for torching lottery teams... Grizz a great test for any scorer. Everyone crazy about Morant but Jackson the unsung hero for them with his defense at the 4. Tough team obviously.

[IBetYou]

I think Adams has taken Marc Gasol's title as the top low post defender in the game today

[stevenash]

I think Adams has taken Marc Gasol's title as the top low post defender in the game today

I rostered Stevie as my utility player in DFS (DraftKings) last night.
Speaking strictly DFS now, probably the most undervalued regular player on a nightly basis.
Almost always give you 5x value, always overlooked because you you can only roster one center.
The only way you can start two centers is one of them has to be designated 'utility' and most like to use that slot with a fourth guard.
And to cash you really need a solid, contrarian lineup.

[thomorino]

Another 37 point 8 rebound game whre Embiid also dominated defensively 3 blocks as well - I don't even think Jokic has had a 3 block game this month

[stevenash]

No MVP is going to a guy who gets over 60 percent of their points from the free throw line.
Embid scored just 14points all game if you take away foul shots.
7 for 18 from the field, I'm not impressed.

Nine rebounds?
There are 24 players in the NBA that do that on an average.

Jokic has more consecutive triple/doubles than Embid has consecutive double/doubles.

Here's the important thing, if Harden closes the season like games like today, he'll cost Embid a lot of votes.
A lot.

These are the headlines on the sports reporting internet sites.

Harden records first triple-double as a 76er in win over Knicks


Embid is an afterthought in paragraph two.
They're talking Harden, not Embid.

Know who averages more blocks a game then Embid?
Robinson, Gafford, Whiteside, and six others.

And Giannis averages the exact same amount of blocks as Embid 1.4
And Giannis averages less than a half point less a game.
And Giannis averages a little more rebounds a game.

Jokic > Giannis = Embid.

MVP

1. Jokic
2a Giannis
2b. Embid

[thomorino]

No MVP is going to a guy who gets over 60 percent of their points from the free throw line.
Embid scored just 14points all game if you take away foul shots.
7 for 18 from the field, I'm not impressed.

Nine rebounds?
There are 24 players in the NBA that do that on an average.

Jokic has more consecutive triple/doubles than Embid has consecutive double/doubles.

Here's the important thing, if Harden closes the season like games like today, he'll cost Embid a lot of votes.
A lot.

These are the headlines on the sports reporting internet sites.

Harden records first triple-double as a 76er in win over Knicks


Embid is an afterthought in paragraph two.
They're talking Harden, not Embid.

Know who averages more blocks a game then Embid?
Robinson, Gafford, Whiteside, and six others.

And Giannis averages the exact same amount of blocks as Embid 1.4
And Giannis averages less than a half point less a game.
And Giannis averages a little more rebounds a game.

Jokic > Giannis = Embid.

MVP

1. Jokic
2a Giannis
2b. Embid

Embiid dominated on both sides of the ball. He had 4 blocks as well. The last time Jokic had 4 blocks was 3 months ago.

Embiid is the clear mvp.

The Harden trade has just made it easier for him to score and Porter was just cleared for on court play so Jokic's usuage rate will go down significantly moving forward.

The writers don't like to give the same player the MVP twice, they like to elevate new players. If Embiid doesn't get hurt the award is his.