ESPN NBA MVP Straw Poll 3.0 Results

[CJ]

Real MVPs don't let their team get BLOWN OUT in the 4Q by a team like the Pistons.

[stevenash]

Detroit huh?
If Embid played any sort of defense maybe they don't get humiliated like that

15 point Philly fourth.

What was Embid's fourth quarter +/-
Let's see, Philly lost the quarter 29-15
But you can't assign a -14 to him, that's not how it works.

He wasn't on the floor the whole fourth...
I'll figure it out later it has to be like -11?

[CJ]

Something unimpressive, but hey Philly would "sweep" Memphis

[stevenash]

Something unimpressive, but hey Philly would "sweep" Memphis

The best one was Phoenix is trash last year.
Right after those very words were uttered, Suns go on a tear to the Finals, and just look at them now.
He is truly King Mush.

[shadymcgrady]

Harden at it again

[Bostongambler]

4-15 Harden

[stevenash]

Harden at it again

Toxic

[CJ]

The best one was Phoenix is trash last year.
Right after those very words were uttered, Suns go on a tear to the Finals, and just look at them now.
He is truly King Mush.

Also said Boston is done back in February and now they're just two games out of first haha.

[stevenash]

Also said Boston is done back in February and now they're just two games out of first haha.

I can go all night.
Knicks to miss the playoffs, is another all time classic.

I'll give it a rest for now, I think he's been humiliated enough.
Hey, I wasn't the one who came into a thread and posted directly at me that I was trying to shave points when I had proof of what I said being true is true.

I think he's learned his lesson.
Oh Morino, I said I'll stop now, walk away from me now would be the right thing to do.
Posting crap in PT which the mods watch closely with your history, what are you on now "double secret probation" would pretty much end your posting career.

Do what you want, your words never bothered me and nobody believes what you say.
Fire away, I'll just watch now.

[mjsuax13]

Nash the assassin.

[thomorino]

I can go all night.
Knicks to miss the playoffs, is another all time classic.

I'll give it a rest for now, I think he's been humiliated enough.
Hey, I wasn't the one who came into a thread and posted directly at me that I was trying to shave points when I had proof of what I said being true is true.

I think he's learned his lesson.
Oh Morino, I said I'll stop now, walk away from me now would be the right thing to do.
Posting crap in PT which the mods watch closely with your history, what are you on now "double secret probation" would pretty much end your posting career.

Do what you want, your words never bothered me and nobody believes what you say.
Fire away, I'll just watch now.

The Knicks got exposed just as I said they would.

Nets would have swept Milwaukee if Kyrie didn't get hurt.

Embiid dominated Jokic in the heads up match and had the better year.

And Jones is still better than Kamara, he's averaged a half yard more per carry nearly every year in the league.

You are wrong about everything.

[Holtgetsback]

The same voters who will lock in Jokic (-185 now) for MVP gave Karl Malone 2 MVPs that should of went to MJ23. The commonly accepted thought process that “x” is the best player and “y” is the MVP is crap. That and voter fatigue. NBA MVP almost always comes down to some stupid group think narrative, rarely is it ever just the best player. Semantics.

Props to Nasher call on Joker at +300. He knows how this game works and was dialed in early.

Award “SHOULD” be Giannis’s (+650 now) if this award just went to the best player in the league. Yeoman’s work needed but he has gone from +1200ish to +650 in the last few days. A one seed + a Joker decline likely needed, but not impossible.

Embiid (+185) gets a mention here, but that’s it. Not interested in any timeline where he wins it.

[Goat Milk]

The same voters who will lock in Jokic (-185 now) for MVP gave Karl Malone 2 MVPs that should of went to MJ23. The commonly accepted thought process that “x” is the best player and “y” is the MVP is crap. That and voter fatigue. NBA MVP almost always comes down to some stupid group think narrative, rarely is it ever just the best player. Semantics.

Props to Nasher call on Joker at +300. He knows how this game works and was dialed in early.

Award “SHOULD” be Giannis’s (+650 now) if this award just went to the best player in the league. Yeoman’s work needed but he has gone from +1200ish to +650 in the last few days. A one seed + a Joker decline likely needed, but not impossible.

Embiid (+185) gets a mention here, but that’s it. Not interested in any timeline where he wins it.

You think that was bad? Kobe Bryant lost an mvp to Steve Nash after taking Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm as starters to the playoffs with a winning record. Averaging an absurd 35-36 a game, in that era where teams actually played defense, by far the highest in the league. Nash was one of the league's worst defenders, and somehow voters never consider overall game when voting for MVP. That's why I believe Giannis should win, but know that he wont.

[stevenash]

The Knicks got exposed just as I said they would.

Nets would have swept Milwaukee if Kyrie didn't get hurt.

Embiid dominated Jokic in the heads up match and had the better year.

And Jones is still better than Kamara, he's averaged a half yard more per carry nearly every year in the league.

You are wrong about everything.

Knicks got exposed just as I said they would.


That wasn't the bet.
You bet they wouldn't make the playoffs.
They did and you lost your bet.

Like I told you what would happen.
I told you laying -130 on a +150 wager was stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does.

Nets would have swept Milwaukee if Kyrie didn't get hurt.

And you know this, how exactly?
Do you have a crystal ball?
And based on your fade history I'm sure Nets would have lost just because you said they would have won


Morino is wrong about everything.

Can't argue with that, first thing you got right all month.Nets would have swept Milwaukee if Kyrie didn't get hurt.

[stevenash]

Hey Morino?
Talk to me about that Super Max contract.



Pathological liar.

Told you to just walk away from me.
You don't listen to me, which is why you lose

[stevenash]

The same voters who will lock in Jokic (-185 now) for MVP gave Karl Malone 2 MVPs that should of went to MJ23. The commonly accepted thought process that “x” is the best player and “y” is the MVP is crap. That and voter fatigue. NBA MVP almost always comes down to some stupid group think narrative, rarely is it ever just the best player. Semantics.

Props to Nasher call on Joker at +300. He knows how this game works and was dialed in early.

Award “SHOULD” be Giannis’s (+650 now) if this award just went to the best player in the league. Yeoman’s work needed but he has gone from +1200ish to +650 in the last few days. A one seed + a Joker decline likely needed, but not impossible.

Embiid (+185) gets a mention here, but that’s it. Not interested in any timeline where he wins it.

Thank you for the words.
Yeah, you pretty much understand what I do.

Value.
Once you truly understand what value is, good thing happen.

The markets are bettor driven.
When Embid went on that ridiculous three week stretch the stupid public were tripping all over themselves to bet Embid for MVP.
How low did that number get?
-180?

That's when sharp bettors stop and say to themselves (well I did anyway)

Is Embid really almost a prohibitive 2:1 (almost) odds on to beat Jokic, Luka, Giannis and the 'field'?
I remember seeing one prop bet in late January Embid -160/FIELD Ev

I won't lay 60 cents juice or I would have bet FIELD +100 right then and there.

Value, it's all about value.
Would you tie up money at mid season, laying -130 on one singular player or team?

Another example of value.
Our blockheaded idiot here at the All Star Break last season laid -130 that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.

I'll set it up for you.
I have certified tech degree, and majored in math, concentration on probability and statistics.

At the break there were 28 games remaining,
Knicks were in fourth place, four games ahead of the sixth place team and eight games ahead of the play in teams.
The proposition he bet at Knicks not to make the playoffs and he laid the -130

I broke it down for him.

"I said dude, that's a poor bet and I'll tell you why. For the Knicks with 28 games left to miss the playoffs the four teams below you will all have to win at least five games more than NY.
I said if the Knicks go 12-16 in the last 28 they still comfortably get in.
.
I told him the real odds of all that happening for the Knicks to miss the playoffs is closer to 2:1 against (I figured later it was +150)
I said you're flushing money down the toilet.

He lost that bet.

To save his sorry face he says "I told you all the Knicks would get exposed in the playoffs"
Well yeah, they were carried by Randle to the playoffs, but that wasn't the bet.

He's been doing this for three years.

[stake1]

17 posts. Just need 2 more to cash

[Holtgetsback]

Thank you for the words.
Yeah, you pretty much understand what I do.

Value.
Once you truly understand what value is, good thing happen.

Very much agreed Nash.

More attention should be brought to value, it's really all you can control-- that is getting a good price. Everything is a series of probabilities and possible outcomes. Outcome bias is a trap-- By that I mean taking a bet at bad odds that wins and thinking it was a +EV play just because it worked this time. Locking in good value is what's important and it's rewarded with outsized returns on decent relative volume. Value gets bot quick and actual bad lines are rarely left hanging long. Too many sharp participants and arbitrageurs exist for free money to last.

With that said, this space is bettor driven, as you have said, and I do not believe in efficient market theories. There are and always will be great opportunities like this one you have found, we just have to wait for the fervor and money to flow too far on one side to find it. Mean reversion often hits like a truck and the ones most passionate, who aren't open to other possibilities are left losing their bag. Anyone who speaks in absolutes should be ignored in these spaces. The only thing absolute is that nothing is guaranteed. The games can be beat but it's done by sticking to what you're good at and getting the best number and managing risk. Most gamblers can not do even one of these.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool"
-Shakespeare

[thomorino]

Hey Morino?
Talk to me about that Super Max contract.



Pathological liar.

Told you to just walk away from me.
You don't listen to me, which is why you lose

You were once again proven wrong. Embiid isn't on a supermax contract, not close.

[thomorino]

And Giannis is being rested tonight - zero chance he's the MVP.

[stevenash]

Jokic
First Half.

24/5/5

Embid can't distribute, Jokic is an elite distributor.
Embid can't dish like Jokic, Jokic is outrebounding Embid by 2.5 boards a game.
Jokic is outrebounding Embid by almost 25 percent.

He's 8th in the NBA in assists, the closest NON GUARD to him is James and he's barely top 20, and he'll probably not even quality.
He's SECOND in the league in rebounds.
And he's the most improved defensive player of the year.

Jokic is top ten in every category known to man.


Nikola JokicUnstoppable efficiency


CDEN NBA

Mar 31, 2022
Jokic provided 37 points (15-19 FG, 7-8 FT), 13 rebounds, nine assists, one block and two steals over 36 minutes during Wednesday's 125-118 victory over Indiana.
ANALYSIS
Jokic shot over 75 percent from the field for the seventh time this season. Pairing Wednesday's dominance with a 13-for-15 shooting performance Saturday against the Thunder, Jokic is showing no signs of fatigue down the stretch.

UNSTOPPABLE EFFICIENCY.

Not my words.
He's having the most efficient season in NBA history.
Not my opinion, that's a fact.

Turn off the lights, it's over.

[IBetYou]

Another impressive showing for Jokic. Took a nasty blow to the head early in the game. His team played like shit without him as usual. He returned and they made up the deficit. Then his head starts bleeding again and the Grizz take over again. He returns a 2nd time and this game vs the #2 team in the west quickly turns into a laugher. All with a bloodied headband on -media love that shit. Nail, hammer, coffin.

[shadymcgrady]

I can't believe embiid is going to choke this away without health being an issue. Probably between joker and the freak now

[CJ]

Lol, dumbfukkmo can light those Embiid futures on fire, it's over. Jokic first ever w/2K points, 1K rebounds and 500 assists in a season. He is going to need serious back surgery this Summer with how much he's carried that trash Nuggets team. Put Jokic on the Sixers instead of Em-bum and they're easily 1st in the East. Probably hovering around the 60 win mark too.

[IBetYou]

Embiid thinks winning the scoring title helps his case for MVP... it;s actually the opposite. Media in general are a bunch of liberal cucks; they want accolades distributed evenly!

[stake1]

[thomorino]

[
I hedged a long time ago, and posted the hedge, learn to read.

[CJ]

Embiid thinks winning the scoring title helps his case for MVP... it;s actually the opposite. Media in general are a bunch of liberal cucks; they want accolades distributed evenly!

I'm just glad LeBum didn't get it and his lack of eligibility didn't even matter.

[stake1]

Jokic +105 now.

I posted six weeks ago where I grabbed it when Jokic shot up to +300 (when the idiot public was reacting off that three-week run Embid had and bet Embid down to a ridiculous -150)

Great hit nasher!

[Booya711]

Great hit nasher!

A fukking shame that mod ran him off over a bitch like morino

[stake1]

A fukking shame that mod ran him off over a bitch like morino

oh no nash left? what happened?

[IBetYou]

Been 4 years now since an American won the award, and going to be a long time until once does again.

Going to be tossed around between Jokic, Doncic, Embiid, Anteto' for the next decade.

[Str8Mush4Life]

Been 4 years now since an American won the award, and going to be a long time until once does again.

Going to be tossed around between Jokic, Doncic, Embiid, Anteto' for the next decade.

100% agreed unless Tatum or Ja somehow wedge their way in there. Or Korkmaz ()

Then again if Luka wins next year then the race baiters will NOT be happy about that. Even if he averages 30/10/10 and the Mavs go 74-8 the Woke will not be happy.

[IBetYou]

Well that's not 100% is then you dumb fu( k. You think 100% means sometimes?

[Str8Mush4Life]

That's where the word unless comes into play.

You're now 1 of 2 people on this forum that attempts to slander someone while writing a completely incoherent sentence leading up to the attempted insult.

While we are on numbers and percentages, what do you think of 28.9% and 403?

Because that's the three point field goal percentage and player ranking of Furkan Korkmaz, who you labeled as 'ELITE' earlier in the season when the Sixers-Nets trade was going down.