Irving Suspended And Might be released

**budwiser** · 11-14-22, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

Most of the black talking heads are saying that his punishment is too severe.
A lot of white folks said a lot less the past few years and got cancelled and had their lives ruined.
So it is ok for blacks to be racist against other groups but not the other way around?
Not breaking news or anything but a lot of these people are the biggest hypocrites.

Youth. A lot of these guys in their 20s with barely an education and most never held a real job in their lives. But...they have a "platform" (never seen it). Think they know everything, that the world centers around them and everyone can't wait to hear what they have to say.

Interestingly LeBron said Irving should play, he's done enough. Seems LeBron got older and wised up.

**asiagambler** · 11-14-22, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by cincinnatikid513

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One of the more bizarre stories I read in crypto this year

**jjgold** · 11-14-22, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

Youth. A lot of these guys in their 20s with barely an education and most never held a real job in their lives. But...they have a "platform" (never seen it). Think they know everything, that the world centers around them and everyone can't wait to hear what they have to say.

Interestingly LeBron said Irving should play, he's done enough. Seems LeBron got older and wised up.

yep plus they have 8th grade IQ's

Irving should never be allowed in league again, if a white guy said something about blacks he is done

**budwiser** · 11-14-22, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

yep plus they have 8th grade IQ's
Irving should never be allowed in league again, if a white guy said something about blacks he is done

for all the talk about fighting racism, how many of these NBA veterans after they're done playing and making million$ are out there running companies and providing jobs lol

Michael Jordan. Magic Johnson. LeBron James is making something of himself. Not a lot of others..

Tom Brady and Giselle, who we all look up to, were spokespeople for FTX which was a pile of garbage

We put too much expectation on these guys to be smart. They can play sports. Doesn't mean at all that they're smart. But, whatever. New generation. lol

**budwiser** · 11-14-22, 02:59 PM

lol

**jjgold** · 11-14-22, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

for all the talk about fighting racism, how many of these NBA veterans after they're done playing and making million$ are out there running companies and providing jobs lol

Michael Jordan. Magic Johnson. LeBron James is making something of himself. Not a lot of others..

Tom Brady and Giselle, who we all look up to, were spokespeople for FTX which was a pile of garbage

We put too much expectation on these guys to be smart. They can play sports. Doesn't mean at all that they're smart. But, whatever. New generation. lol

They are just dumb jocks

**IBetYou** · 11-20-22, 01:37 PM

Apologies out the way now so he can get back to his old shtick; blame everything on the media.

**jjgold** · 11-20-22, 02:34 PM

Is he playing tonight?

**IBetYou** · 11-20-22, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Is he playing tonight?

nets starting irving/ harris/ o'neale/ durant/ simmons

**play4win** · 11-20-22, 07:51 PM

the ultimate fade project right now and ever.

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by IBetYou

nets starting irving/ harris/ o'neale/ durant/ simmons

yeah coach was quoted as saying he wanted to start out small, and admitted that didn't work

Barring injury or some sh!t, Nets are going to be favorites to win the East. Simmons is playing elite ball. Watanabe is coming out of nowhere. They have the talent to win it all.

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 09:56 AM

I don't believe in rules for black coaches. You do it naturally.

That said, Steve Nash hire was ridiculous. You are talking about experienced black players with coaching experience, and they took a white Canadian with 0 head coaching experience. And it showed. Ranks up there as the worst NBA coach since what, Wes Unseld? I might take Wes over Nash. Clear example of white privilege imo.

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by play4win

the ultimate fade project right now and ever.

Said it before I'm on Nets Eastern Conference and title.

either i'm crazy or everybody else is lol

**bigtymer56** · 11-21-22, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

I don't believe in rules for black coaches. You do it naturally.

That said, Steve Nash hire was ridiculous. You are talking about experienced black players with coaching experience, and they took a white Canadian with 0 head coaching experience. And it showed. Ranks up there as the worst NBA coach since what, Wes Unseld? I might take Wes over Nash. Clear example of white privilege imo.

Dont think that was white privilege. Owners and execs seem to have a hard on for point guards as coaches. If Curry and Paul announced they were retiring and wanted to coach, would not be surprised if somebody gave them a chance fairly quickly.

The funniest thing about the Nash's hire was the Nets already had experienced a star point guard with no experience failing miserably as a coach (Jason Kidd).

**IBetYou** · 11-21-22, 12:50 PM

It's 2-time MVP privilege... They all have at least a half-dozen assistants giving them input - most of them more qualified than themselves - so it's just a matter of are they humble enough to listen. Larry Bird got a HC gig with no experience and he led the Pacers to the finals. Rick Carlisle (future hall of famer) and DIck Carter were his assistants. It's a very privileged job in general.

I'm sure there have been black coaches that have been afforded the same generosity. 0-time MVP Billups got the hire the same summer and he had just 1 year as an assistant.

**IBetYou** · 11-21-22, 12:54 PM

Larry Bird had good leadership on his team. Nash had Durant & Irving..... and it just filters down to guys like Cam Thomas.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PJSjRNQupp0

**jjgold** · 11-21-22, 12:58 PM

Ben Simmons has decided to start playing hard Nets could be good now

**IBetYou** · 11-21-22, 01:30 PM

Tough to win with American stars. Billy Donovan - the ultimate player's coach - getting chastised by LaVine in the media two days in a row for benching him in crunch time (he played like shit). Spurs recognized this a long time ago; they'll take one at a bargain but otherwise they prefer foreigners.

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by bigtymer56

Dont think that was white privilege. Owners and execs seem to have a hard on for point guards as coaches.

Maybe so, they replaced a point guard (Nash) with a point guard (Vaughn)

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 01:46 PM

I have a hard time believing a white Canadian star point guard can relate to Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Most especially if he has 0 coaching experience and credentials to rely on
Durant said lately he begged coach (that would be Nash) to tell people to practice. A player asked that a coach tell the team to put in effort.

Cynic in me says the team tanked the first 6 games to get Nash fired

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Ben Simmons has decided to start playing hard Nets could be good now

Simmons is on fire playing like a top 10 player in the league the last 2 games. i don't expect it to last but who knows the guy is coming into his prime age 26. he played better than both durant and irving no joke

**budwiser** · 11-21-22, 03:05 PM

Tonight of course the big Ben Simmons returns to Philly night. Embiid took a rain check. And they call Simmons fragile

**IBetYou** · 11-21-22, 07:22 PM

He's out a minimum of two games; one because he doesn't want to face the Nets and the other because he doesn't want it to look like he's dodging the Nets

**Bostongambler** · 11-21-22, 07:24 PM

Sprained ankle. Tape it up Mary.

**IBetYou** · 11-22-22, 09:33 PM

No embiid, no maxey, no harden... it wasn't Nash. Soft team, mentally and physically.

**Bostongambler** · 11-22-22, 09:45 PM

I Lyle Love it.

**budwiser** · 11-22-22, 09:46 PM

No watanabe either. And at Philly

Agree the issue is they are soft, especially on d. But imo over time vaughn will figure it out. I love his experimenting to find out what works

**budwiser** · 11-22-22, 09:48 PM

They need a big in the worst way. 20 to 4 offensive rebounds. That's the game.

I would hope they trade a shooter for some goon in the midfle

**budwiser** · 11-22-22, 09:53 PM

Vaughn has emphasized d and rebounding. When you watch him on the sideline you can see him thinking

It's early and my conference and title nets wager was they'll figure it out over time

**IBetYou** · 11-22-22, 10:03 PM

Sims (Knicks) would be a good target for them. He looks like a young D.Howard! These string bean shot-blocker centres are no good.

Nets & Knicks would in theory be good trade partners; Knicks need shooters/ Nets need toughness.

**IBetYou** · 11-22-22, 10:09 PM

Sims went 58th in the draft a couple years ago... strange. He's certainly got the physical profile of a starting centre (size/ athleticism/ wingspan).

**IBetYou** · 11-22-22, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

Vaughn has emphasized d and rebounding. When you watch him on the sideline you can see him thinking

It's early and my conference and title nets wager was they'll figure it out over time

All coaches emphasis defense & rebounding. These are buzzwords. If you ever take the time to follow the local beat writers of every team in training camp you'll hear every coach talk about defense & rebounding, and accountability, and ubuntu, and pushing pace. It's all stuff players don't want to do.

**budwiser** · 11-23-22, 12:20 AM

Sims would be great. yeah they don't need another Claxton, a string bean center who can block. They need beef. It's plain obvious to everyone.

Supposedly the Nets are trying their best to offload Irving. As I said I doubt any team will take him. The Lakers reportedly are uninterested in a Westbrook-Irving trade, which would make perfect sense. The last thing the Lakers need is defense down low with LeBron and unibrow. What the Lakers need is a pure scorer, and though Irving sux at d he is an elite scorer-they don't need his d. But the Nets could use Westbrook to crash the boards, he can't shoot the 3 but they got all kinds of guys who sit at the perimeter and wait for the jump shot. But, the Lakers are stupid-their window is this year only-LeBron is on fumes, they won't have one more year, and they suck right now, they have to do something-getting Irving at least gives them a shot.

Nets also have one more year, because imo Durant is showing small signs of decline. He's had an achilles injury.

Mills, Curry, Harris, these guys are the same. Good at shooting 3's but can't play defense. So they are trade bait. Nobody wants Harris' salary, and Mills looks like garbage. But, who knows. Shooting 3's is a luxury in this league, and Harris and Curry hit a high percentage.

But you have to give up something to get something. Watanabe as good as he is, is a great addition to the Nets. But, they need a guy in the middle way more than anything else. They will have to get something big for Watanabe.

The Nets HAVE to keep Simmons. He provides any chance at a title.

It's a matter of if, not when, the Nets make a trade. Lots of rumors.

As for buzzwords, yeah every coach is going to say that. The difference was Vaughn said it in the huddle, and he said it to the press. And most importantly, he is subbing guys out who don't play defense. As for Nash, my sense was they could care less what he had to say.

As for Irving, I think he plays harder. He has every reason to gain back his reputation. I can't tell you how many times he was staring out in space while Steve Nash was the coach.

It's one game, they won the last 2, so we'll see. But I like where the team is headed. Steve Nash had no clue what he was doing-during the playoffs he even said he had no answers, as he had Blake Griffin on the bench. So how can you have no answers and not try things. This is what makes Vaughn different-you can see him putting players into the game. He puts Thomas and Sumner into the game for 3 minutes to see if these guys can do anything at all. He's more like Pop he'll take a guy out if he stinks. As we know Pop would take out the entire starting lineup for playing like garbage. Nash would have a limited bench no matter what these guys did. Blake Griffin got in his doghouse and never got out.

**IBetYou** · 11-23-22, 12:30 AM

Well Griffin is with the Celtics now, and guess who's ahead of him in the rotation besides Horford? Vonleh who played in the CBA last year, and Kornet who was in the GL.

I like the Nuggets as dark horse contenders. They have something in Jokic & Murray obviously. Made some bad decisions at the forward spots with Gordon & Porter, but if they can swing a trade..... slightly longer odds than the Nets yet a more solid foundation. I doubt Durant or Irving ever sniff a title again.

**budwiser** · 11-23-22, 12:32 AM

Maybe the Lakers would trade with the Nets. That's another team that would do great in a trade with the Nets-lots of defense and toughness can't score vs a team that can score but can't play defense. And both teams are in their final year of having any shot at a title imo.

"Rumors" the Lakers won't trade could be just bs to get a better deal. Who knows with all the crap out there