Will Pinnacle Try And Get In USA??

**d2bets** · 01-19-23, 12:31 PM

I'd assume they'd want to, but they longer they wait the harder it gets.

The difference in USA is it's not a county thing. Every state is unique. The best states are already saturated.

**jjgold** · 01-19-23, 03:56 PM

D2 correct

**Brock Landers** · 01-19-23, 04:00 PM

They were in Canada from the start, they voluntarily left the US

**Optional** · 01-20-23, 03:42 AM

I'd guess more likely to offer B2B services to other operators if they can get that sort of license.

**Fishhead** · 01-20-23, 10:53 AM

Even if they did, better options for USA citizens

Great book no question about it, but overrated by most recreational players.

**jjgold** · 01-20-23, 01:39 PM

Fisher yes

Its not beatable either

**Brock Landers** · 01-20-23, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Even if they did, better options for USA citizens

Great book no question about it, but overrated by most recreational players.

If pinnacle hung -3.5 on SF this weekend, every book in the world would eventually follow them

**weeminer** · 01-20-23, 03:27 PM

With the way taxes are set up in a lot of states they wouldn't be able to operate with the same margins that they currently do. I guess they could bump vig up or something in a specific state, but they'll be forced to hold a higher % than they currently do in lots of places.

**jjgold** · 01-20-23, 04:40 PM

Everyone copies 3 books

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-20-23, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by weeminer

With the way taxes are set up in a lot of states they wouldn't be able to operate with the same margins that they currently do. I guess they could bump vig up or something in a specific state, but they'll be forced to hold a higher % than they currently do in lots of places.

Guess you don't have an account there. Margins are the same as most books out there, and even worse than some. Here is a current sample of tonight's College Baskets. See for yourself...

00 PM	889	VCU	+1.5-108	+103	Over 131-118	+Props
Live!	890	Richmond	-1.5-112	-124	Under 131-106
20:00 PM	891	Villanova	+4-112	+146	Over 150-121
Live!	892	St. John's	-4-108	-179	Under 150-104
21:30 PM	893	Toledo	-5-109	-217	Over 168.5-117
Live!	894	Buffalo	+5-111	+175	Under 168.5-107
20:00 PM	306533	Central Connecticut	+4.5-109	+157	Over 124.5-113
Live!	306534	Wagner	-4.5-111	-192	Under 124.5-111
20:00 PM	306535	Stonehill	-5.5-108	-237	Over 145-108
Live!	306536	Long Island	+5.5-112

**jjgold** · 01-20-23, 06:10 PM

Who's lines are those?

**Optional** · 01-20-23, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

Guess you don't have an account there. Margins are the same as most books out there, and even worse than some. Here is a current sample of tonight's College Baskets. See for yourself...

00 PM	889	VCU	+1.5-108	+103	Over 131-118	+Props
Live!	890	Richmond	-1.5-112	-124	Under 131-106
20:00 PM	891	Villanova	+4-112	+146	Over 150-121
Live!	892	St. John's	-4-108	-179	Under 150-104
21:30 PM	893	Toledo	-5-109	-217	Over 168.5-117
Live!	894	Buffalo	+5-111	+175	Under 168.5-107
20:00 PM	306533	Central Connecticut	+4.5-109	+157	Over 124.5-113
Live!	306534	Wagner	-4.5-111	-192	Under 124.5-111
20:00 PM	306535	Stonehill	-5.5-108	-237	Over 145-108
Live!	306536	Long Island	+5.5-112

Every regular Pinny user knows their LIVE betting is below average.

Talking about pre-match lines.

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-21-23, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Who's lines are those?

Copied and paste from my Pinnacle account.

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-21-23, 06:55 AM

OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

All wager amounts are:
Risk
Win
Base Amount
Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago

01/21
NCAA

Game

Handicap

Moneyline

Total

13:00 PM	601	Mississippi	+9-113	Over 138.5-113	+Props
Live!	602	Arkansas	-9-107	Under 138.5-111
13:00 PM	603	Detroit	-13-106	Over 143.5-110
Live!	604	IUPUI	+13-114	Under 143.5-114
13:00 PM	605	Miami Florida	+5.5-106	Over 148.5-103	+Props
Live!	606	Duke	-5.5-114	Under 148.5-122
13:00 PM	607	College Of Charleston	-8-112	Over 144-109
Live!	608	Northeastern	+8-108	Under 144-115
13:00 PM	609	Syracuse	-2.5-118	Over 143-112	+Props
Live!	610	Georgia Tech	+2.5-103

**jjgold** · 01-21-23, 07:06 AM

Looks like Pinnacle taking Euro model

**biggie12** · 01-21-23, 09:06 AM

told you guys this about 3 months ago. No one listens here thats the problem

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-21-23, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by biggie12

told you guys this about 3 months ago. No one listens here thats the problem

That is the reason I copied and pasted it directly from my account. They all can read.

**Fishhead** · 01-21-23, 09:53 AM

Even with no vig Pinnacle, can often and most times find better lines/odds elsewhere.

PINNY great for non-USA sports and for taking big action on major USA sports.

Otherwise, overrated.

**biggie12** · 01-21-23, 10:13 AM

Marathonbet could of given pinny a run for there money but they also scared now and wont take any big action. They used to best pinny lines by 4-5 cents on most events.

**jjgold** · 01-21-23, 10:25 AM

Pinnacle is better for non-USA sport good point Fisher

**kakad** · 01-21-23, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

All wager amounts are:
Risk
Win
Base Amount
Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago

01/21
NCAA

Game

Handicap

Moneyline

Total

13:00 PM	601	Mississippi	+9-113	Over 138.5-113	+Props
Live!	602	Arkansas	-9-107	Under 138.5-111
13:00 PM	603	Detroit	-13-106	Over 143.5-110
Live!	604	IUPUI	+13-114	Under 143.5-114
13:00 PM	605	Miami Florida	+5.5-106	Over 148.5-103	+Props
Live!	606	Duke	-5.5-114	Under 148.5-122
13:00 PM	607	College Of Charleston	-8-112	Over 144-109
Live!	608	Northeastern	+8-108	Under 144-115
13:00 PM	609	Syracuse	-2.5-118	Over 143-112	+Props
Live!	610	Georgia Tech	+2.5-103

The lines you posted yesterday were wider than the lines in SpankOdds line history and the lines I saw on my account. Same with these ones. SpankOdds' line history show's 16c wide for Miss/Ark at time of your post. I guess Pinnacle thinks you're special?

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-21-23, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by kakad

The lines you posted yesterday were wider than the lines in SpankOdds line history and the lines I saw on my account. Same with these ones. SpankOdds' line history show's 16c wide for Miss/Ark at time of your post. I guess Pinnacle thinks you're special?

Guess so I beat them for plenty when they were rolling.

**jjgold** · 01-21-23, 01:02 PM

Spank Odds is very inaccurate
A lot of scrapping not real feeds

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-21-23, 05:02 PM

You can see Pinnacle odds delayed if you do a little searching. Same garbage spreads.

**Optional** · 01-21-23, 05:24 PM

Not really seeing your problem here

**d2bets** · 01-21-23, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Not really seeing your problem here

Not real-time.

**Optional** · 01-21-23, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Not real-time.

So?

He is claiming Pinny spread is bad.

Do you think it is?

**jjgold** · 01-21-23, 05:44 PM

You need a lot of volume to offer tight juice

**Brooklyn Dick** · 01-22-23, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Not really seeing your problem here

Big deal NFL. Lines are like rocks. Look at other sports that can be beat. Like Basketball, Tennis, etc. And get back to me with your numbers. And their Live lines are a complete joke, along with their limits.

**Fishhead** · 01-22-23, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

Big deal NFL. Lines are like rocks. Look at other sports that can be beat. Like Basketball, Tennis, etc. And get back to me with your numbers. And their Live lines are a complete joke, along with their limits.

As stated before, have access to Pinny no vig lines which is even better than their actual lines, granted have lots of outs, but the vast majority of time will find better lines/odds elsewhere.

The NFL and non-traditional USA sports tremendous at Pinny

**Fishhead** · 01-22-23, 07:49 AM

Anyone in the United States not wagering over 5k per game and bets mostly USA sports............... should be hoping for CIRCA by about a 2-1 margin over Pinny coming to their state.

**eidolon** · 01-22-23, 01:47 PM

Do they still have -103 lines? I haven't been to their site in like 15 years

**xKMACKx** · 01-22-23, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Brooklyn Dick

OK you want pre game odds. These are copied direct from Pinnacle at the time I am posting. Note the spread and now the current limit is a dime. ....Look at the spread on totals. Not even a 10 cent line. And the limit on totals is 500.

And these are obviously Pre Game lines even though it says Live. Check for yourself the start times and my post time...

All wager amounts are:
Risk
Win
Base Amount
Green - Recently added / Red - Just changed / Orange - Changed 60s ago / Blue - Changed more than 60s ago

01/21
NCAA

Game

Handicap

Moneyline

Total

13:00 PM	601	Mississippi	+9-113	Over 138.5-113	+Props
Live!	602	Arkansas	-9-107	Under 138.5-111
13:00 PM	603	Detroit	-13-106	Over 143.5-110
Live!	604	IUPUI	+13-114	Under 143.5-114
13:00 PM	605	Miami Florida	+5.5-106	Over 148.5-103	+Props
Live!	606	Duke	-5.5-114	Under 148.5-122
13:00 PM	607	College Of Charleston	-8-112	Over 144-109
Live!	608	Northeastern	+8-108	Under 144-115
13:00 PM	609	Syracuse	-2.5-118	Over 143-112	+Props
Live!	610	Georgia Tech	+2.5-103

Their college basketball lines have been garbage for nearly a decade now. It's about volume and college basketball has little volume on Pinnacle.

**jjgold** · 01-23-23, 06:13 AM

Pinnacle is a Euro book people

Its not for USA sports any longer other than generic lines