San Diego State

**d2bets** · 03-26-23, 04:30 PM

Anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul doesn't know how to officiate at all.

**Otters27** · 03-26-23, 04:35 PM

Wow. Nice johnny

**JIBBBY** · 03-26-23, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul doesn't know how to officiate at all.

Disagree. This is a foul..

**bjb7223** · 03-26-23, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Disagree. This is a foul..

**KVB** · 03-26-23, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Disagree. This is a foul..

**texhooper** · 03-26-23, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul doesn't know how to officiate at all.

Anyone who thinks that wasn’t a foul bet on Creighton. You and I did not, because we are smart

**jrgum3** · 03-26-23, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by texhooper

Anyone who thinks that wasn’t a foul bet on Creighton. You and I did not, because we are smart

I bet on Creighton and I definitely thought it was a textbook foul. He had his hand on the guys hip which is a foul by the book. I just don't know if I were reffing if I would have had the balls to make that call because I'd want the players to decide the game. It's a tough one though because just because the games on the line if you see a foul then your hand is pretty much forced to call the foul in that situation. Exactly why I never want to be a ref because no matter what you're never right.

**johnnyvegas13** · 03-26-23, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Disagree. This is a foul..

Lol is this edited ???

**texhooper** · 03-26-23, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by jrgum3

I bet on Creighton and I definitely thought it was a textbook foul. He had his hand on the guys hip which is a foul by the book. I just don't know if I were reffing if I would have had the balls to make that call because I'd want the players to decide the game. It's a tough one though because just because the games on the line if you see a foul then your hand is pretty much forced to call the foul in that situation. Exactly why I never want to be a ref because no matter what you're never right.

Yeah i agree with you on the whole. But to me, the player is deciding because he’s the one fouling. I’ve never liked the whole “refs deciding the game” take. I mean I hate refs, they are awful in all major American sports, but do we want them to just leave the game with a minute to go?

**pavyracer** · 03-26-23, 10:01 PM

They don't call fouls like that in the NBA. Look how much contact on Lebron. They are hacking him to pieces and no foul at the last possession.

**pimike** · 03-26-23, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

They don't call fouls like that in the NBA. Look how much contact on Lebron. They are hacking him to pieces and no foul at the last possession.

Lol

NBA is the fixed flop league

No comparison

Lol

**pimike** · 03-26-23, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

That was ticky tack. Such a weak foul to determine the game if it was one. Touched his hip. Didn't effect the shot.

He was also pushed in the back while shooting

Lol

**homie1975** · 03-27-23, 12:39 AM

rooting AZTECS as i only live 80 miles from their campus but that was an extremely weak call to decide the game.

refs should have swallowed the whistles there.

**homie1975** · 03-27-23, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul doesn't know how to officiate at all.

i disagree on the timing of it. it was not enough IMO with merely seconds to go, to call it.

and trust me, i am rooting SDSU. i am a SoCal guy and i like their HC who was AHC under fisher for about 30 years at UM/SDSU combined.

not a good call.

**hehfest** · 03-27-23, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by jrgum3

I bet on Creighton and I definitely thought it was a textbook foul. He had his hand on the guys hip which is a foul by the book. I just don't know if I were reffing if I would have had the balls to make that call because I'd want the players to decide the game. It's a tough one though because just because the games on the line if you see a foul then your hand is pretty much forced to call the foul in that situation. Exactly why I never want to be a ref because no matter what you're never right.

Its the context of the game. They let them play like that the whole dam game. A hand on the hip without pushing him or altering his shot movement is not a foul based on how the whole game was played. If I were a ref, there is no way in hell I decide the game on a clearly embellished fall to the ground. The guy did a flop figuring if the shot misses maybe he gets the foul called.

Hell, even if I called the game tight all game, I still don't call that a foul. NFWay

**goduke** · 03-27-23, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

No, I watched it again. Looks even more clear than I thought. He not only touched his hip, he followed through with an extended arm. He pushed him to the ground. I don't even think it was acting. You're in mid air and you get shoved, you're gonna fall.

And, notice how the ball came off flat with zero rotation. The reason for that was the shove before he could follow through on the shot. Watch again and see how his hand just stopped following through and actually recoiled. Totally unnatural. Had he not been pushed, he would have followed through on the shot.

People arguing otherwise are biased or blind.

It’s not that it wasn’t a foul it’s that you could call that same type of foul(hand/arm contact to the body) a ton of times per game and it doesn’t get called
It’s like holding in the nfl, holding happens every single play but it’s just subjective when the refs want to call it.
If you don’t have straight consistency in how games are going to be called you are always going to have opposing views. Was it a foul? Yes. Was it an outlier call and not consistent based on how the game had been called up to that point? Yes.

**goduke** · 03-27-23, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

He pushed a shooter in the air. Show that in refs school without the situation and it's a unanimous foul 100% of the time. Period. Arguing that they missed some call some other time is not relevant. There are always missed calls, but that is not an argument to miss a separate one.

How can you say that? If the game is established all game in a way that allows defenders to guard a certain way then changes at the end how can you say that the call is mutually exclusive?

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by homie1975

i disagree on the timing of it. it was not enough IMO with merely seconds to go, to call it.

and trust me, i am rooting SDSU. i am a SoCal guy and i like their HC who was AHC under fisher for about 30 years at UM/SDSU combined.

not a good call.

Sorry, but you're completely wrong. That's a foul in every situation. 77% of shooting fouls are less blatant.

And it very clearly directly affected the shot. He didn't block it, but at the last second pulled his shooting hand back in an unnatural manner rather than a natural follow thru and the ball was completely flat rather than backspin. Any shooter can see why that happened. The shove threw his hand back.

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by hehfest

Its the context of the game. They let them play like that the whole dam game. A hand on the hip without pushing him or altering his shot movement is not a foul based on how the whole game was played. If I were a ref, there is no way in hell I decide the game on a clearly embellished fall to the ground. The guy did a flop figuring if the shot misses maybe he gets the foul called.

Hell, even if I called the game tight all game, I still don't call that a foul. NFWay

It did alter his shot. You've obviously never played basketball.

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by goduke

How can you say that? If the game is established all game in a way that allows defenders to guard a certain way then changes at the end how can you say that the call is mutually exclusive?

Show me the video where another shooter in the air was shoved and it wasn't called. Just point me to the video.

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 03-27-23, 08:26 AM

I see ALOT of SBR posters here that were ex D1 players & officials……. Respect

**stevenash** · 03-27-23, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

I see ALOT of SBR posters here that were ex D1 players & officials……. Respect

I was a D2 catcher does that count?

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

I was a D2 catcher does that count?

Not for basketball, no. But that's cool.

**homie1975** · 03-27-23, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

I see ALOT of SBR posters here that were ex D1 players & officials……. Respect

i lettered in 3 sports in HS (basketball, soccer, baseball) and am 6'2" and up until i was about 33yo i could dunk with either hand.

does that mean i get some respect too ? LOL

(i was average at best in all sports except basketball but even then i was not good and plus i could only duck a youth soccer ball not a basketball so i was lying and only left handed not right handed, and with a running start)

BTW, in watching the tournament since 1986 (think "never nervous" pervis ellision) and i can tell you that yesterday's "foul" was one of the weakest calls I have seen in the waning seconds of a game in 37 years.

period.

again, i had no bet on the game and was rooting SDSU (and will root them next saturday too) because i am SoCal born and bred,
but that simply did not rise enough to foul level to call.

in that instance, unless it is somewhere near the hand, elbow, arm, etc, the ref has to blow the whistle in that spot.

down, distance, time, space, know-your-craft.

it needs to be obvious in order to break a 56-56 tie.

**homie1975** · 03-27-23, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Sorry, but you're completely wrong. That's a foul in every situation. 77% of shooting fouls are less blatant.

And it very clearly directly affected the shot. He didn't block it, but at the last second pulled his shooting hand back in an unnatural manner rather than a natural follow thru and the ball was completely flat rather than backspin. Any shooter can see why that happened. The shove threw his hand back.

2er
you just indicated a percentage on a subjective item. fouls are subjective. the blatancy level of more or less is also subjective.

come on Mate.

SDSU won the game. I am happy about that. i just wish a 56-56 tie in a hard fought game, did not end a slight nudge in the back that did not push the shot to the left at all. it was short of the basket so the shooter did not have enough Ooomph behind it.

just a really weak call.

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 03-27-23, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by homie1975

i lettered in 3 sports in HS (basketball, soccer, baseball) and am 6'2" and up until i was about 33yo i could dunk with either hand.

does that mean i get some respect too ? LOL

(i was average at best in all sports except basketball but even then i was not good and plus i could only duck a youth soccer ball not a basketball so i was lying and only left handed not right handed, and with a running start)

BTW, in watching the tournament since 1986 (think "never nervous" pervis ellision) and i can tell you that yesterday's "foul" was one of the weakest calls I have seen in the waning seconds of a game in 37 years.

period.

again, i had no bet on the game and was rooting SDSU (and will root them next saturday too) because i am SoCal born and bred,
but that simply did not rise enough to foul level to call.

in that instance, unless it is somewhere near the hand, elbow, arm, etc, the ref has to blow the whistle in that spot.

down, distance, time, space, know-your-craft.

it needs to be obvious in order to break a 56-56 tie.

Homie I officiated bball up until the D3 level. Honestly that’s not a call I’d make but hey more power to him

I have a very good friend who officiates D1. I text him after the game FOUL? He replied back w the 2 open eyes emojis.

I had Creighton ML FWIW.

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by homie1975

2er
you just indicated a percentage on a subjective item. fouls are subjective. the blatancy level of more or less is also subjective.

come on Mate.

SDSU won the game. I am happy about that. i just wish a 56-56 tie in a hard fought game, did not end a slight nudge in the back that did not push the shot to the left at all. it was short of the basket so the shooter did not have enough Ooomph behind it.

just a really weak call.

I was being facetious, but you get the point. That's a foul in every game at any time, plain and simple. Seems that many disagree, so it is what it is. But I could watch it over and over and I'm having a hard time understanding anyone who says otherwise. It's as plain as day to me. And I had a fair amount unfortunately on O131.5, so I was sort of hoping for OT.

People keep saying he just touched his hip. But it was clearly much more than that. His arm began as bent but ended up extended. It was much more than a touch. As he reached to block with the other hand, he used that arm as leverage and pushed, and his arm ended up extended. Plain as day. That's a shove and it clearly affected what otherwise was a fairly easy shot after he beat him off the dribble.

**JIBBBY** · 03-27-23, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by pimike

He was also pushed in the back while shooting

Lol

He flopped with the so called push in the back..

Total acting job. Should have won an Oscar award for that. He had a clear look at the basket and missed the floater. Little hand on his waste. You don't call a a bitch like foul like that with one second left on the clock!

**homie1975** · 03-27-23, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

He flopped with the so called push in the back..

Total acting job. Should have won an Oscar award for that. He had a clear look at the basket and missed the floater. Little hand on his waste. You don't call a a bitch like foul like that with one second left on the clock!

but that is LeBron. mount rushmore of basketball along with MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, etc.

those guys will get calls all day long.

we are talking NCAA tourney with a bunch of guys nobody knows except the star frosh who stay 1 year then leave

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 03-27-23, 10:20 AM

SDSU an odds on favorite to make the NCAA Championship game...never thought I'd see the day!

**jackpot269** · 03-27-23, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by jrgum3

I bet on Creighton and I definitely thought it was a textbook foul. He had his hand on the guys hip which is a foul by the book. I just don't know if I were reffing if I would have had the balls to make that call because I'd want the players to decide the game. It's a tough one though because just because the games on the line if you see a foul then your hand is pretty much forced to call the foul in that situation. Exactly why I never want to be a ref because no matter what you're never right.

above in bold

**jackpot269** · 03-27-23, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21

SDSU an odds on favorite to make the NCAA Championship game...never thought I'd see the day!

NCAAB Tournament where dreams are made!!!!!!!!!

**johnnyvegas13** · 03-27-23, 12:27 PM

They r making a big deal of the calls at the end here

it was a foul and then the clock ran out ...

**KVB** · 03-27-23, 12:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">San Diego State heads to the line in a tie game with 1.2 remaining ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarchMadness?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc% 5Etfw">#MarchMadness</a> <a href="https://t.co/zRP3Hc2KGu">pic.twitter.com/zRP3Hc2KGu</a></p>— NCAA March Madness (@MarchMadnessMBB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarchMadnessMBB/status/1640088979549880321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**d2bets** · 03-27-23, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by KVB

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Among other indicators, notice:

1. That the only way he was able to jump high extend the right arm/hand high was by pushing off on the body and lifting himself.
2. That his left arm begins bent on the him but ends up fully extended out. Had he only placed the hand on the hip and not pushed, that arm would have remained bent.
3. That the shooter just suddenly stopped his follow through at the moment of the push off and the ball just popped out of his hands completely flat rather than naturally through follow through.

Anyone arguing that this is not a foul needs to continue to watch and watch for these things. He didn't just place a hand on his hip. He used the hand on the hip to push himself into the jump in the block attempt. There is just no way you can do that to a shooter and not be a foul. No way.