With Trout's Injury, Angels Are Done This Year

[teecee]

It's not about winning. It's about earning money.

[mcaulay777]

Artie Moreno had no intention of winning,He signed A lot of players just to putt butts in the seats he declined to sell the team.I think only till the end of the year.When Ohtani leaves he sells.He is one of the worst owners ever and for some reason he gets a pass!

[VeggieDog]

This injury for Trout, Angels are 0-4 and outscored 34-17. 5 games out of the WC.

Through Sunday 7/16 their Trout-less record is now 1-6 and outscored 62-43. 6 games out of the WC.

[stevenash]

Their bullpen pitching shit the bed.
Unreal.

[VeggieDog]

Through Sunday 7/16 their Trout-less record is now 1-6 and outscored 62-43. 6 games out of the WC.

Halos swept the Damn Yankees. Now 4-6 without Trout. Outscored 69-59 and 4.5 games out of the WC. NL Central basement-dwelling Pirates in Anaheim for 3 games.

[stevenash]

Halos swept the Damn Yankees. Now 4-6 without Trout. Outscored 69-59 and 4.5 games out of the WC. NL Central basement-dwelling Pirates in Anaheim for 3 games.

40 games is a fair sample size.

[VeggieDog]

40 games is a fair sample size.

I'm just tracking them while Troutie is out with this wrist injury to support my theory that it will knock them out of a playoff run. It will be interesting to see what they do with Ohtani if they claw their way into a WC spot.

I might have written them off a little too early. However, it's the Angels and they always seem to shoot themselves in the foot.

[gauchojake]

I'm just tracking them while Troutie is out with this wrist injury to support my theory that it will knock them out of a playoff run. It will be interesting to see what they do with Ohtani if they claw their way into a WC spot.

I might have written them off a little too early. However, it's the Angels and they always seem to shoot themselves in the foot.

Some pitcher will probably just die and that will be the end of the run until next year

[OldBill]

dont care how many hitters you have if you aint got 3 pitchers and solid b p to close out games you never winning a world series

i was happy when our ace curt shilling went on to win with the mosnter leftie in colorado then with redsox

[stevenash]

dont care how many hitters you have if you aint got 3 pitchers and solid b p to close out games you never winning a world series

i was happy when our ace curt shilling went on to win with the mosnter leftie in colorado then with redsox

Goater doesn't get that point.

[Goat Milk]

Goater doesn't get that point.

So why doesn't Trout get on the phone and start recruiting people to help him win....after all these years? Because he's not a true leader, that's why. True leaders do things that they don't have to do, that they're not paid to do, but they do them to win. Did it say in Tom Brady's contract that he had to let Antonio Brown live in his house with his wife and kids, or did he do it because he knew that having Brown would give him a chance at a superbowl? You know I'm right.

[stevenash]

So why doesn't Trout get on the phone and start recruiting people to help him win....after all these years? Because he's not a true leader, that's why. True leaders do things that they don't have to do, that they're not paid to do, but they do them to win. Did it say in Tom Brady's contract that he had to let Antonio Brown live in his house with his wife and kids, or did he do it because he knew that having Brown would give him a chance at a superbowl? You know I'm right.

I'm not doing this with you any longer.
Having said that, you are more than entitled to your opinion.
I do like most of your NBA takes though.

Peace Goater, Nasher still loves ya.

[Goat Milk]

I'm not doing this with you any longer.
Having said that, you are more than entitled to your opinion.
I do like most of your NBA takes though.

Peace Goater, Nasher still loves ya.

I still love you too

[mjsuax13]

A lot has been said here about Mike Trout, legacy, hall of fame, winning, etc… does it all even matter? Do the stats matter? I won’t beat that up anymore. Trout is a great baseball player. A winning individual baseball player. Hall of Fame lock. There’s no doubt. He’s not a championship winning player though and a lot of the factors in this thread are why. It’s just fact, his teams have sucked and I don’t get the sense he is a guy that is going to demand more from a mediocre organization. So be it. Baseball is truly a stat head sport and a sport were pitching/bullpen rule at the end of the day. It’s an individual/team game at the end of the day, it’s about your contributions and those contributions being maximized in key winning moments. Mike is on a bad organization and does not have the will/desire to rock the boat and demand better so he gets what he gets.

We may never know how good Mike Trout is or could be without seeing him in the postseason, in those clutch moments, those playoff moments, the moments that ultimately become iconic. Where guys become legends.There are 100’s of those postseason heroic moments in my head of players/teams right now. He doesn’t have one significant one that I can point to, yet he has hours of great highlights. On another organization we probably have a different perspective.

On an entirely different but relevant note:

The truth is, Baseball has become a regional/local sport under this current commissioner and has a major game/star marketing problem. The commissioner should be fired. The All Star Game ratings speak for themselves. The World Series ratings speak for themselves. This is also why the rules were changed up this year. Baseball has great players everywhere that nobody outside of the team market even know. Trout is one of them. My 6-8 year old boys love baseball, absolutely love it and we watch it daily, we win little league championships in our community and they DO NOT want to be Mike Trout, matter of fact they don’t even care about Mike Trout. That is very sad but speaks to what baseball has become under this commissioner.

[VeggieDog]

Halos swept the Damn Yankees. Now 4-6 without Trout. Outscored 69-59 and 4.5 games out of the WC. NL Central basement-dwelling Pirates in Anaheim for 3 games.

Angels took 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh. Now they travel to Detroit, who is 9 games under .500. Record during this Trout injury is 6-7, outscored 82-74 and 4 games out of a WC spot. Speeding towards the Trade Deadline.

[gauchojake]

Angels -170 to keep Ohtani

[gauchojake]

Re-sign him as a FA that is

[stevenash]

Angels -170 to keep Ohtani

I hope Ohtani stays with Trout, the brass picks up a few quality arms in the next year or two via trade or FA,
I need to check to see what pitchers are going to be FA in 2024, but if Moreno and his inner circle pick up two arms, Angels will be a serious playoff team.

They're top five in MLB in hitting, the Angels don't need any more sticks, they need two more live arms.
How does Moreno not know this Jaker?
You're out there, you know more about Cali sports than me, Moreno said in a presser last year he knows his team lacks in pitching depth, said he'll do something about it (I'm paraphrasing here, not his exact words) and yet does nothing about it.

What am I missing?
I know Moreno isn't stupid, or is he just like Dolan in NYC?

[gauchojake]

I have no idea nasher. He's like a dog when a squirrel comes by when there's a big hitter FA. It's infuriating.

The biggest problem that I can see is that he's too involved in operations and doesn't let his general managers do their job without meddling. He loves giving massive deals to the wrong guys.

The franchise is also snake bitten. Pitchers for the angels are like drummers for Spinal Tap. Look at the Rendon deal, the Pujols deal, etc etc - I mean he makes the bobby bonilla contract look good. Vernon Wells, Josh Hamilton, my god it's painful to think about.

I think most fans were really hoping he would sell the team. They had the scandal with the Anaheim city council and you kind of just thought sweet, let's get a good owner in here... But no.

I hope Ohtani stays but I'm not convinced that Arte will do the right thing and invest in pitching. Who knows. I'm rooting for them.

[sportgeek]

The biggest problem that I can see is that he's too involved in operations and doesn't let his general managers do their job without meddling. He loves giving massive deals to the wrong guys.

Perry did say Arte wanted to go after Trea Turner which makes sense because you see who Arte has wanted and paid for in the past but Perry convinced that they need depth vs superstar which is why they traded for Renfroe and Urshella plus signed Drury because last year the Angels had no depth in their lineup. Last year the pitching was the strength for the Angels. Their starters ERA was #9 in the league I believe. However most dudes aren't pitching as good as they did last year and right now the pitching is bad and main issue with losing.

[stevenash]

^
I've always loved Brandon Drury.
How can you not love a dude that can play six positions and hit 20 plus taters a season?
I've been watching Drury (I'm a MLB DFS junkie, I watch them all) since he was a kid in 'Zona

Here's one for ya.
Did you know the last Angels pitcher that won a Cy Young Award was fat Bartolo Colon.

[sportgeek]

Colon is the only Angel ever to win the Cy Young. It was his 2nd year of his big 4 year deal and it was his only good year as a pitcher for the Angels.

^
I've always loved Brandon Drury.
How can you not love a dude that can play six positions and hit 20 plus taters a season?
I've been watching Drury (I'm a MLB DFS junkie, I watch them all) since he was a kid in 'Zona

Here's one for ya.
Did you know the last Angels pitcher that won a Cy Young Award was fat Bartolo Colon.

[VeggieDog]

The stupidity coming from Anaheim just boggles my mind sometimes. They've pulled Shohei off the block and traded away their #2 and #3 prospects to attempt to limp into the playoffs. Then Ohtani will say sayonara to the Hapless Halos and they'll continue to finish in the bottom half of the division for years to come. SELL THE TEAM!!!!!

[JIBBBY]

Fading the Angels and Ohtani in this early game on the road today +1.5 at -135.

I think Ohtani is a bit overrated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels-detroit-tigers-430727206/

[19th Hole]

I have no idea nasher. He's like a dog when a squirrel comes by when there's a big hitter FA. It's infuriating.

The biggest problem that I can see is that he's too involved in operations and doesn't let his general managers do their job without meddling. He loves giving massive deals to the wrong guys.

The franchise is also snake bitten. Pitchers for the angels are like drummers for Spinal Tap. Look at the Rendon deal, the Pujols deal, etc etc - I mean he makes the bobby bonilla contract look good. Vernon Wells, Josh Hamilton, my god it's painful to think about.

I think most fans were really hoping he would sell the team. They had the scandal with the Anaheim city council and you kind of just thought sweet, let's get a good owner in here... But no.

I hope Ohtani stays but I'm not convinced that Arte will do the right thing and invest in pitching. Who knows. I'm rooting for them.

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Gaucho-
Excellent writing.
Excellent insights.
You bring a smile to my face.

[VeggieDog]

After they leave Detroit tonight, the Angels have 19 series left to play this year. 4 opponents have losing records. 1 is currently at .500. 14 have winning records.

[mjsuax13]

After they leave Detroit tonight, the Angels have 19 series left to play this year. 4 opponents have losing records. 1 is currently at .500. 14 have winning records.

TRANSLATION: Game Over

[stevenash]

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Gaucho-
Excellent writing.
Excellent insights.
You bring a smile to my face.

Jaker and Eddy (leaving myself out of the equation) are the best word crafters we have.
I love wordsmiths, Bob Costas is the GOAT, Kevin Harlan is a great wordsmith too, Dennis Miller...

[gauchojake]

Jaker and Eddy (leaving myself out of the equation) are the best word crafters we have.
I love wordsmiths, Bob Costas is the GOAT, Kevin Harlan is a great wordsmith too, Dennis Miller...

Very kind of you sir (and 19th holer) but I am def not in the same league as mr eddy.

Interestingly the LA Times published an update on the Anaheim City Council scandal and FBI probe which is still ongoing. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hall-officials

I am happy Arte gave Minassian some leeway to make moves. We'll see if they can do something. Still a few days left for more moves so maybe this gets more interesting.

[stevenash]

Very kind of you sir (and 19th holer) but I am def not in the same league as mr eddy.

Interestingly the LA Times published an update on the Anaheim City Council scandal and FBI probe which is still ongoing. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hall-officials

I am happy Arte gave Minassian some leeway to make moves. We'll see if they can do something. Still a few days left for more moves so maybe this gets more interesting.

Eddy is the Bard of SBR

[kingdom]

Trout would have been drafted by the Yankees in 2009 but New York had to ship that pick to Anaheim as compensation for signing Mark Teixeira.

The Angels snapped up Trout in a New York minute.
The Yankees were up next with a compensation pick of their own.
New York drafted Gerrit Cole out of HS in 2008, they couldn't sign him, Cole's agent wanted beau coup money for a HS kid, opted out, and went to UCLA instead.

Would we be having this conversation if Trout played in New York, you know a team with a real pitching staff with a real chance of a playoff berth every year, instead of a clown pro baseball team that sniffs a post season once a decade.

I've always said if he became a yankee he would be a much bigger star with more playoff appearances and chances to win a ws. Most east coasters aren't staying up to watch the angels. Bonds was a bomber that played in sf and was more watched because of his home runs. Bonds also played against a classic rival in the dodgers. Even the casual fan is aware of what Judge is doing from week to week.

[Goat Milk]

I've always said if he became a yankee he would be a much bigger star with more playoff appearances and chances to win a ws. Most east coasters aren't staying up to watch the angels. Bonds was a bomber that played in sf and was more watched because of his home runs. Bonds also played against a classic rival in the dodgers. Even the casual fan is aware of what Judge is doing from week to week.

all that matters is the playoffs, the dodgers own la just like the lakers do. if the angels or clippers actually knew how to win they would get their due as well. no one cares about the angels because they're not relevant at all. all the hrs in the world isn't gonna change ohtani's likeness/popularity if he doesn't win championships or at least compete for them. how hard is it to bring in a few guys who can consistently hit singles and a couple pitchers?

The Yankees blow. Whoever is the GM there has no idea what they're doing. You're not gonna win a championship by stacking the lineup with guys who just hit bombs every chance they get. The guys who can get on base, those are the teams who always win the world series.

[mjsuax13]

all that matters is the playoffs, the dodgers own la just like the lakers do. if the angels or clippers actually knew how to win they would get their due as well. no one cares about the angels because they're not relevant at all. all the hrs in the world isn't gonna change ohtani's likeness/popularity if he doesn't win championships or at least compete for them. how hard is it to bring in a few guys who can consistently hit singles and a couple pitchers?

The Yankees blow. Whoever is the GM there has no idea what they're doing. You're not gonna win a championship by stacking the lineup with guys who just hit bombs every chance they get. The guys who can get on base, those are the teams who always win the world series.

Get them on, get them over, get them in. The Yankees lack basic foundational understanding of baseball.

[Goat Milk]

Get them on, get them over, get them in. The Yankees lack basic foundational understanding of baseball.

For sure. It's perplexing. It's common sense. Like in the playoffs, everyone knows the pitching gets much sharper. You're not going to blast a bunch of HRs. A lot of the guys they always bring in, their numbers go to shit in the playoffs. Even a guy like Judge, he was awful last year in the playoffs if I remember right. Guy just swings as hard as he can and hopes to connect. That's why I always say what Trout does in the reg season doesn't really matter, cause a lot of pitchers don't even care. It's a 160 game season. A lot of guys coast. It's like the NBA where Bradley Beal averages 30, but the points always feel meaningless cause no one takes the wizards seriously anyway during his tenure there.

I remember when we (the tigers) stacked our lineup with long ball hitters. We made it to the WS then couldn't score a run, literally, against the Giants. We had amazing pitching too. No one could get on base. But in the reg season, those guys were coming home left and right. I don't understand why it's so hard to figure this simple concept out. This is coming from a guy in me who knows nothing about baseball.

[mjsuax13]

For sure. It's perplexing. It's common sense. Like in the playoffs, everyone knows the pitching gets much sharper. You're not going to blast a bunch of HRs. A lot of the guys they always bring in, their numbers go to shit in the playoffs. Even a guy like Judge, he was awful last year in the playoffs if I remember right. Guy just swings as hard as he can and hopes to connect. That's why I always say what Trout does in the reg season doesn't really matter, cause a lot of pitchers don't even care. It's a 160 game season. A lot of guys coast. It's like the NBA where Bradley Beal averages 30, but the points always feel meaningless cause no one takes the wizards seriously anyway during his tenure there.

I remember when we (the tigers) stacked our lineup with long ball hitters. We made it to the WS then couldn't score a run, literally, against the Giants. We had amazing pitching too. No one could get on base. But in the reg season, those guys were coming home left and right. I don't understand why it's so hard to figure this simple concept out. This is coming from a guy in me who knows nothing about baseball.

I’m a Tigers fan as well. They did that more than once! We wasted great pitching and almost every one of those guys left and won a championship. Totally agree. Judge was atrocious, hell he is still boom or bust but the boom matters most in the playoffs. He was bust last year but so were the lineup of bums around him.

Aaron Judge batted .139 with 5 hits, 2 homers, 3 RBIs and 5 runs scored in 9 games in the 2022 postseason.

Boat racing a .400 team in July/August and inflating stats doesn’t matter, you should do that! Angels are back down to earth now. They were hot for a minute but they played the Pirates, Yankees and Tigers.