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Colts owned Baltimore when they had Manning
kind of reversed since then
be careful... Bal might be the team to be able to frustrate Gardner with his short passing game and runs that relies on no drops, no holding penalties, etc
on the other hand, Baltimore covered vs Houston and won as a dog v Bengals... NFL teams don't cover game after game after game... so Indy has that going for themComment -
Would bad weather affect the Ravens or the Colts more in this game? It could keep the score down where 8 points could be a great spread to have.Comment -
Still enough to affect the outcome, especially the wind. Minshew's passes will be sailing all over the place. But the Ravens ground game isn't all that either. Usually it keeps the score down but a few turnovers could break this game wide open. I can't go against the Ravens at home, not with Richardson out. His ability to run would be key in a game like this, Minshew is not very mobile.Comment -
Fair enuf, Klemo. Respect your read on the game.
At the moment, Eastern Seaboard feels like the Calm After the Storm:
Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Tucker misses a 61-yard FG attempt. Wonder what kind of footing he had.
19-19. Colts have played a solid game.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Great call Raiders.Comment -
Thx for posting, Raiders. Very nice hit.
Colts were right there all day. The kicker had a historic game:
*First kicker to nail four 50+ yard FGs in one game.
And we did dodge Tucker making the game-winner at end of regulation. 61-yarder was short. Wonder if his footing was less than perfect.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Mustipher is the guy I called a bum C from the Bears earlier in the thread. You're probably right that he was the one who snapped it low though. I was watching all games but had the sound on the Indy/Bal game and thought they said a different name.
It wasn't my count. It was the count of almost all the publications and SIC. The public thought Richardson was the only injury that mattered when that may have been the only one that didn't matter.Comment -
https://ebonybird.com/posts/baltimor...s-01hawpcypx1xBaltimore Ravens could rule out 10 starters for Week 3 vs. Colts
As many as seven Baltimore Ravens starters were listed as DNP on Thursday's injury report and adding the players on IR the Ravens might miss up to 10 starters in Week 3 vs. Colts!Comment -
Raiders, your insight on the injuries was spot-on:
1) Richardson to Minshew was no problem. Minshew is normally viewed as the top backup in the league.
2) The Raven injuries made them less efficient.
I see one trend on how injuries impact the betting line:
*So many Fantasy players have crossed over to Betting Games.
...So, their knowledge is about 5 guys on each team. When the skill position players are out, it moves the #. Arguably too much.
I keep one eye on the Packers. Note that Jones/Watson were late scratches the L2 weeks (at ATL, vs NO).
...Both times, the # moved late significantly.
...If the Fantasy players can't NAME the backup, it must be a big dropoff.
...Well, the short-handed Packers covered the Late # each of the L2 weeks.
...The L2 games (GB/Atl and NO/GB) were great games for the line-shoppers. If the inactive list leads to an over-reaction, take the late #. GB covered +3 last week and covered +2.5 this week.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
Great point about the fantasy guys only caring about 5 guys on each team. I didn't even think of that angle. I'm trying to figure out Sea now. 3 more guys got hurt today but it probably doesn't matter because it's the Giants. Would need at least 3 to think about it.Comment -
FWIW, I played Giants +1.5 as my Best Bet in the NFL section.
Thx for the note re: SEA. I think we'll have more than enuf ammo to go anti-Seahawks on that game.Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?Comment -
ebonybird? really ????
You thought Kevon Seymour was next man up when he's just a special teamer. You have Brandon Stephens as a safety. You don't know who the slotback was or the guy replacing him so maybe whatever you're reading doesn't know what they're talking about ? You don't know any of these and you still want to argue that 10 starters is right because some no-name publication that's reading stale injury info like you says so ???
Mustipher snapped it low and the Ravens fumbled it 4 times because of the wet conditions, very little to do with them being backups. They, especially Lamar, tends to struggle in wet conditions, I'm pretty sure I even told you that
Mustipher by the way may be a bum but he has filled in admirably for 2 weeks now. Same as every other player I mentioned. The player he's replacing isn't some all-pro guy either. They're much closer than you think. Look at their PFF grades from last year if you don't believe me. Even Humphrey. He IS an all-pro but the guy replacing him who you think is a safety has played great in his place. And Humphrey hasn't played all season. Many others been out since Week 1. Stale injury information. Value above or below replacement. Are these really foreign concepts to you ??Comment -
see how the NFL works
Ravens covered big spread week 1
won as +150 dogs week 2
lose outright at home because the refs ignore defensive holding on Colts in OT on 4th and 3
this is why sometimes, you can just take capping out of the equation and just bet the +8 or +7.5 and sit and watch as it hilariously unfolds
FIRST PLACE COLTS
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Refs missed a few calls and Harbaugh had some bad clock management and decision-making but I thought Colts defense was what won them the game. They played really well especially their DL. Jackson seemed hesitant to push the ball downfield against that weak secondary. Maybe because it was wet/rainingsee how the NFL works
Ravens covered big spread week 1
won as +150 dogs week 2
lose outright at home because the refs ignore defensive holding on Colts in OT on 4th and 3
this is why sometimes, you can just take capping out of the equation and just bet the +8 or +7.5 and sit and watch as it hilariously unfolds
FIRST PLACE COLTSComment -
Colts always play Ravens tough. Payback for when they moved the team from Baltimore.Comment -
beat them on the way to both Super Bowl 41 and 44... i was there for the divisional win at home in 2009 playoffs 20-3. only fans worse than the ravens fans that day were the patriots fans earlier in the season in Indy when they blew a 31-14 4th Q lead and lost 34-35... the infamous 4th and 2 game where Bill was afraid to punt to Peyton with 2 min left and make him go 80 yards
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Yes Mustipher the guy you called a bum turns out had a 68.3 PFF grade against the Colts with 0 pressures allowed. Perfectly fine. Not as good as last week where he graded out as the best Ravens lineman but still a perfectly capable replacement player. You apparently think because of one bad snap in the rain you were proven right that he was a bum
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest graded <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a> Ravens vs. Colts (minimum 5 snaps):<br><br>Defense:<br>LB Roquan Smith (89.9)<br>S Kyle Hamilton (80.4)<br>OLB Jadeveon Clowney (80.2)<br>DT Travis Jones (76.6)<br>NT Michael Pierce (71.3)<br><br>Offense:<br>QB Lamar Jackson (71.2)<br>RT Morgan Moses (69.2)<br>C Sam Mustipher (68.3)<br>RG Kevin… <a href="https://t.co/ppg23FZplZ">pic.twitter.com/ppg23FZplZ</a></p>— Ryan Mink (@ryanmink) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanmink/status/1706352451027079248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >September 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Comment -
Why do you want to argue? The game's over. You deleted a ton of posts when you figured out you were wrong on a lot of things you were posting. Then you replaced with Lamar. Now your analysis post game is off again. They all said 7 starters out. 10 if you include IR. https://www.google.com/search?q=balt...-wiz-serp#ip=1
and if you pay for SIC, they'll give you the info. https://sicscore.com/nfl/games It tells you the injury and when they were injured. If a guy gets hurt week one he's still a starter. If Lamar gets hurt next week and is out for the season, he's still mentioned as a starter being out every week going forward.
Not mentioned in the article below is the practice squad guy you were praising Moon cost points by not jumping on a fumble.
Baltimore Ravens injuries that were too tough to overcome in loss to Indianapolis Colts
1. The Baltimore Ravens needed Tyler Linderbaum Sunday
If you could point to one player from the game that you wish Baltimore had back in their lineup, it has to be Tyler Linderbaum. This is for two seperate reasons. First, we all saw the bad snaps. Lamar Jackson made it work once or twice, but it cost the team a drive at point. These are small consistency issues that you do not get with a first-round starter.
Beyond that, Mustipher was not getting the drive in the run game. We knew that2. Losing Justice Hill and Gus Edwards cost the Baltimore Ravens
The Baltimore Ravens' running back core has seen a lot of shuffling in the early weeks of the season. This is another case where they could withstand the issues for a bit, but eventually, it became too much. The first big loss was Justice Hill.
The Ravens specifically were using Justice Hill as the backup for J.K. Dobbins, and they made sure to get Hill more experience this year than any others because they saw his role in the offense as valuable. Dobbins went down, and the team went to Hill, but it did not take long for Hill to end up on the IR. We are not sure when or if he will return.
So, the team went into the game expecting to split things up between Melvin Gordon and Gus Edwards, although they also added Kenyan Drake into the mix. Drake brings the speed element that Hill and Dobbins bring, but Gordon and Edwards do not.
The issue is that Drake fumbled early in the game when the Ravens had all of the momentum, and then Edwards left the game with a concussion. It put the Ravens in a tough spot. They had to trust Drake, despite just signing and fumbling, and had to role with Melvin Gordon.
When you consider Keaton Mitchel is on the IR, the Ravens are down to their fourth speed back behind Dobbins, Mitchell, and Hill. Then, Gordon is behind Edwards as the power back. They are onto their fifth and sixth running backs, and we are only three weeks into the season. That is going to cost this team
3. Odell Beckham's injury hurt the Baltimore Ravens
The Baltimore Ravens lost Odell Beckham in week two, and while they do not see him missing significant time, they also sat him out for the week three matchup with the Indianapolis Colts. Beckham has not been a huge impact player in the box score, but he has been a game-changer on the field.
Beckham is the deep threat on this roster. Lamar Jackson makes sure to take a chance or two every week to keep the defense honest. Beckham has drawn a few penalties and grabbed a few deep balls as well.
The key for this is that he opens up space for the rest of the roster. Beckham keeps safeties from creeping to one side, and it keeps defenders ticking their steps back so that Beckham does not burn them. Without Beckham, there was less of a threat for the ball to go down the field. First, it had defenses creeping up in general.
More than that, it brought attention to Zay Flowers.Last edited by raiders72001; 09-26-23, 12:12 AM.Comment -
https://pressboxonline.com/2023/09/2...-to-the-colts/The injuries were noticeable this week.The Ravens took the field today minus seven projected starters, including wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (ankle), tackle Ronnie Stanley (knee), center Tyler Linderbaum (ankle) and cornerback Marlon Humphrey, who has yet to play this season after undergoing foot surgery in August. Gus Edwards left the game to be evaluated for a concussion, and outside linebacker David Ojabo (ankle) also left the game with an injury.
The Ravens’ offensive line fill-ins, Patrick Mekari at left tackle and Sam Mustipher at center, performed extremely well at Cincinnati last week but had their hands full in this game. Mekari was beaten by Samson Ebukam on a sack that forced a fumble, though Jackson recovered it. Colts defensive tackle Taven Bryan also forced a fumble, and Mustipher sent an ankle-high snap to Jackson that proved to be the team’s third fumble on three second-quarter possessions.
The Ravens also were missing starting outside linebacker Odafe Oweh (ankle), and lost David Ojabo (ankle) during the game, leaving rookie Tavius Robinson and practice squad callup Jeremiah Moon, playing the first regular-season game of his two-year career, on the field for major minutes.Last edited by raiders72001; 09-25-23, 11:54 PM.Comment -
If Jones played behind a decent o-line and had a Jefferson, or Chase, or Lamb, or Kelce, or fill in any top twenty pass receiver you want he'd be in the Hall on the first ballot.
Jones, besides a Pop Warner Swiss Cheese line, has had an iron pawed TE Evan Engram to throw to, an equally iron pawed WR in Darius Slayton to throw to, Wayne Gallman, a washed up Golden Tate and Golladay, the list is endless of worthless pass catchers Jones has had.
I've seen Daniel Jones throw perfect 40 yard dimes to Slayton only to be dropped that would have been hauled in by both Ray Charles and Helen Keller, and not only are they both blind, but dead too.
It's beyond infuriating, NYG finally gets a top five TE in Waller, and he pulls a hammy that limits his cuts, Engram goes to Jacksonville and finally realizes how to hold on to a ball, God forbid Barkley should be healthy for seventeen games...Comment -
I was going to ignore this but had a change of heart. VORP? We aren't talking baseball, basketball or fantasy. Outside of a QB, most players aren't even worth a point unless it's a player such as TJWatt. Injuries in the NFL should be looked at exponentially, not linearly. If one player on the OL is OUT, the line may not move at all. If 5 players are OUT on the OL, then it should be considered.Last edited by raiders72001; 09-26-23, 02:34 PM.Comment -
Very nice call Raiders !Comment -
There is something seriously wrong with you
I edited posts THAT SAME NIGHT. Nothing I said was incorrect, what the hell are you even talking about ??
Why did I edit them ?
Because I said about 10 different things in reply to your original reply and you ignored everything except the one thing about Oweh... which you were completely wrong about too. So why am I going to continue a conversation with someone that can't even understand simple concepts like STALE INJURIES that have already been taken into account or REPLACEMENT LEVEL PLAYERS having no effect on the line.
That's why I edited them
I was wrong ?????
You can't find a single thing I said that was wrong. Everything I said was right, right down to Lamar fumbling the ball multiple times in the rain. it's literally right there in your post when you quoted me.
Tell me one thing I said was wrong. You can't
YOU'RE the one that said Kevon Seymour was starting WRONG he's a special teamer
YOU'RE the one that said Brandon Stephens is a safety WRONG he plays cornerback
YOU'RE the one that said Robinson was starting WRONG he's depth nothing more
YOU'RE the one that said Mustipher was a bum WRONG he's been perfectly fine since Week 1
YOU'RE the one that doesn't even know who the slotback or his replacement were but you're going to tell me that's a factor ??? WRONG
YOU'RE the one that kept saying over and over and over that Jeremiah Moon was starting in place of Oweh WRONG WRONG WRONG
Moon was NOTHING more than DEPTH. Clowney and Ojabo were going to start and DID start
My post that I edited corrected you on all these. You have no clue about anything on either team and I was just telling you this and you think I edited the post after the game ????
You can't even see the time and date they were edited ???
Are you ok ??Comment
