Ohio State Buckeyes might be an immortal deadbolt lock! +500

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I can't think of a game that figured to be a more Open-and-Shut case:

*Mich coaching staff departed.
...Ohio St coaching staff upgraded.

*Mich Off Line all departed.
...New Off Line was shaky.

*Mich QB was a 1st-round NFL draft choice.
...Mich left with scraps at QB.

*Mich top CB Johnson quit on the team.
...OhioSt paid for top 2ndary with guys like Downs.

*3x revenge. Chance to tilt it with big win.
...Mich had nothing. Loveland missed. Only two Def Tackles and a good Kicker.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I can't think of a game that figured to be a more Open-and-Shut case:*Mich coaching staff departed.
...Ohio St coaching staff upgraded.
*Mich Off Line all departed.
...New Off Line was shaky.
*Mich QB was a 1st-round NFL draft choice.
...Mich left with scraps at QB.
*Mich top CB Johnson quit on the team.
...OhioSt paid for top 2ndary with guys like Downs.

*3x revenge. Chance to tilt it with big win.
...Mich had nothing. Loveland missed. Only two Def Tackles and a good Kicker.

OSU was stacked from top to bottom. Probably the deepest team in NCAA history AND still lost 2 games with one more pending. I think they still get in the playoffs but are they deserved?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Buckeyes QB came up lame in clutch situations for KSU. Why would he improve in even bigger games and situations?

They went up-tempo before half down 3-10 with 2 min to work with and scored a TD. Why wouldn't you stick with that going forward v an injured secondary?

Days like today remind me why I am happy to be a college football fan but not a diehard loyal Buckeyes fan. Rest of Ohio will be depressed for the next week and I won't give a damn

My family are diehard Buckeyes. Most played for OSU. They are all sick. They rather lose a national title than lose to Michigan.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

OSU was stacked from top to bottom. Probably the deepest team in NCAA history AND still lost 2 games with one more pending. I think they still get in the playoffs but are they deserved?

Hey, Mac. I've been talking about the playoff scenarios in my weekly thread.

If there had been FEWER upsets, OhioSt would have an issue. As is, I don't see a scenario where OhioSt is not an At-Large team. Alab/OleMiss/MiaFL all had damaging losses.

Un-thinkable that they'd lose this game. Who did they lose to? A walk-on QB, a WR who plays lacrosse, a makeshift coaching staff. The top Mich CB (Johnson) quit on the team, b/c it wasn't worth his trouble.

[mjsuax13]

My family are diehard Buckeyes. Most played for OSU. They are all sick. They rather lose a national title than lose to Michigan.

Ohio State seems to win the offseason and 364 days and 20 hours every single season but come that last Saturday in November they somehow become soft. That was Michigan for most of the last 20 years… soft against Ohio State and Michigan State. I’m a Michigan grad so have been through all the bumps and bruises but this series turned and it turned hard. It’s definitely not a talent issue. It’s a coaching, culture and mindset issue. I’d like to see Ryan Day get a lifetime deal.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Ohio State seems to win the offseason and 364 days and 20 hours every single season but come that last Saturday in November they somehow become soft. That was Michigan for most of the last 20 years… soft against Ohio State and Michigan State. I’m a Michigan grad so have been through all the bumps and bruises but this series turned and it turned hard. It’s definitely not a talent issue. It’s a coaching, culture and mindset issue. I’d like to see Ryan Day get a lifetime deal.

Day surely has to make the CFP Semi-Finals or even better. WTF is he doing with this team?

As for Day's replacement? Urban Meyer - Part Two? Time heals, and people forget.

[mjsuax13]

Day surely has to make the CFP Semi-Finals or even better. WTF is he doing with this team?

As for Day's replacement? Urban Meyer - Part Two? Time heals, and people forget.

Ohio State has to be careful with whatever they do here. I understand this rivalry more than most. Grew up with it, lived it and have been to 10 of these games. I think of Nebraska canning a guy who was winning 9-10 games annually and it backfired. Firing Day for a guy that probably only will win the game 50% of the time anyway and possibly not recruit as well or make the playoff could backfire. It will never be enough. Spoiled fan base. Ohio State didn’t matter much for decades pre Tressel/Meyer, same as Michigan the last 20 years until the last 3 year run.

The reality is the college game has shifted so much where it’s less about natural/historic rivals and more about getting in the playoffs/money. You will have half your roster turnover every year so many passing through for a NIL check and not seeing it through anyway. That’s the reality of college football. Granted- this game is an all or nothing situation for most people in both fan bases but they can’t recruit, coach or play so all they do is bitch. Mac said it about how the fan bases/alumni view it. Winning this is more important than most everything else but that’s a regional thing with the playoff now in play. Losing this game doesn’t end your season like years past. That is a huge psychological shift. Certainly you want to win this and every game but it’s not the end of your season. Urban looks and sounds tired on the broadcast. He left burned out and the slow drip of how bad of a guy he is continues.

I don’t know what they do.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

One key sentence from your post: Losing this game doesn’t end your season like years past.

I thought about this at the end of the game. Is there any chance OhioSt really DIDN'T view this as a must-win game? The fallout is that they won't be a top-4 seed. But they're going to be an At-Large team. You still have to beat every opponent in front of you.

The only excuse they have is the two missing Offensive Linemen. But that shouldn't be a deal-breaker. The QB (Howard) and the Kicker came up incredibly lame.

One guy who should be SMILING ear-to-ear tonite = McCord:
1) Syracuse upsets Miami-FL and likely knocks out the Canes.
2) He can watch the hi-lites with knowledge that the Bucks thought they were getting an upgrade in Howard.

[mjsuax13]

One key sentence from your post: Losing this game doesn’t end your season like years past.

I thought about this at the end of the game. Is there any chance OhioSt really DIDN'T view this as a must-win game? The fallout is that they won't be a top-4 seed. But they're going to be an At-Large team. You still have to beat every opponent in front of you.

The only excuse they have is the two missing Offensive Linemen. But that shouldn't be a deal-breaker. The QB (Howard) and the Kicker came up incredibly lame.

One guy who should be SMILING ear-to-ear tonite = McCord:
1) Syracuse upsets Miami-FL and likely knocks out the Canes.
2) He can watch the hi-lites with knowledge that the Bucks thought they were getting an upgrade in Howard.

18-23 year old kids who mostly grew up watching Michigan lose to these guys… probably expected to win by just showing up. They also still have the ultimate goal in front of them. It’s a mindset so who knows? McCord got chased out. Expect more of that.

[Eddy Munny]

OSU was stacked from top to bottom. Probably the deepest team in NCAA history AND still lost 2 games with one more pending. I think they still get in the playoffs but are they deserved?

That's a bit of a head scratching comment... They're not the deepest team in NCAA history and I'd argue they're not even the deepest Ohio State squad in the school's history. I'm not even sure it's possible to hoard talent to that degree in the NIL/portal era.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Across all sports the past 5-10 years or so, how often does trying to buy the best team work? Not very often...

[stevenash]

^
Cowboys, umm no.

Steinbrenner's NYY from 40+ years ago, and the current Dodgers, after that my mind goes blank, and my mind never goes blank.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

^
Cowboys, umm no.

Steinbrenner's NYY from 40+ years ago, and the current Dodgers, after that my mind goes blank, and my mind never goes blank.

How about recent examples of the Mets and Padres in 2023 and Brooklyn Nets a few years back with their "super team"? All of those were total failures...

There are many more that are not coming to me at the moment.


The 2024 Padres and Mets both did great after shedding ~$100 million from the 2023 payrolls.


Will all that talent gel? Will star players concede their stats for the good of the team? Team chemistry? These are all very important factors that get lost at times whilst trying to accumulate as much talent as possible.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_San_Francisco_49ers_season

...1994 Niners were one of the great mercenary teams. They brought in an all-star cast to dethrone the Cowboys.

[stevenash]

How about recent examples of the Mets and Padres in 2023 and Brooklyn Nets a few years back with their "super team"? All of those were total failures...

There are many more that are not coming to me at the moment.


The 2024 Padres and Mets both did great after shedding ~$100 million from the 2023 payrolls.


Will all that talent gel? Will star players concede their stats for the good of the team? Team chemistry? These are all very important factors that get lost at times whilst trying to accumulate as much talent as possible.

Teams that grow up together win together.

2014-2015 Royals core four (Hosmer, Sal Perez...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Omaha.
They were a band of friends.

1996-2000's Yankees core four (Jeter, Posada, Pettitte...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Columbus.
They were a band of friends.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_S...o_49ers_season

...1994 Niners were one of the great mercenary teams. They brought in an all-star cast to dethrone the Cowboys.

My SD Chargers had the misfortune of playing that juggernaut in the SB

Teams that grow up together win together.

2014-2015 Royals core four (Hosmer, Sal Perez...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Omaha.
They were a band of friends.

1996-2000's Yankees core four (Jeter, Posada, Pettitte...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Columbus.
They were a band of friends.

That definitely helps, nasher

[mjsuax13]

Across all sports the past 5-10 years or so, how often does trying to buy the best team work? Not very often...

The absolute truth.

[mjsuax13]

Teams that grow up together win together.

2014-2015 Royals core four (Hosmer, Sal Perez...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Omaha.
They were a band of friends.

1996-2000's Yankees core four (Jeter, Posada, Pettitte...) all grew up together beating the minor league bushes in Columbus.
They were a band of friends.

This is the truth. Anyone with a groups of friends like that understands this. Those are the guys you know and will go to battle with. The process and pain of the process forged a bond for those teams. You have seen their dark moments, moments of uncertainty, times they were lost, am I gonna make it, what am I gonna do, etc… and also the times of triumph, success, etc….

[ChuckyTheGoat]

This is the truth. Anyone with a groups of friends like that understands this. Those are the guys you know and will go to battle with. The process and pain of the process forged a bond for those teams. You have seen their dark moments, moments of uncertainty, times they were lost, am I gonna make it, what am I gonna do, etc… and also the times of triumph, success, etc….

Sounds like the old JJ Gold speech: "I made it. You didn't make it like me."

[mjsuax13]

Sounds like the old JJ Gold speech: "I made it. You didn't make it like me."

Unfortunately for JJ, he’s probably somewhere trolling with a collection of excuses

[ChuckyTheGoat]

This guy (Joey Knish) is a Michigan homer. Last week, he jokingly said: 14-10, MICH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAa00QKpWkU&list=PLik3RJPE2HUni_Y8Qh9oW0D8qfppl6eQI

I still can't believe OhioSt lost. You have to question everything in your program after losing that game.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Ohio State seems to win the offseason and 364 days and 20 hours every single season but come that last Saturday in November they somehow become soft. That was Michigan for most of the last 20 years… soft against Ohio State and Michigan State. I’m a Michigan grad so have been through all the bumps and bruises but this series turned and it turned hard. It’s definitely not a talent issue. It’s a coaching, culture and mindset issue. I’d like to see Ryan Day get a lifetime deal.

If he doesn’t win the national title, he is done this season. He is on a huge hot seat. $20 million roster and this is what they get for their money. Unacceptable. I really think Day got tricked into playing Michigans game by trying to play tough guy, tough team. He should have been airing the ball out deep but he wanted to keep running the rock trying to pound. Stupid.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Go back to post #76 and #77. This loss is much worse than 1969 and 1995. The Wolverines had future pros on those teams:

*1969: Dierdorf, Mandich
*1995: Jansen, Biakabatuka

2024 will go down as an all-time bad loss. The best Wolverine Off/Def players (Loveland/WJohnson) were out. Even the most diehard Wolverine fan would not have made a case for them winning this game.

You make a good case about throwing the ball. OhioSt has two WR who will surely be 1st-rd draft choices.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

A few more comments on this game:

1) MICH won with a patchwork Off Line, a German TE, a WR who played lacrosse, a walk-on QB b/c the top-guy can't throw. Credit the MICH defense, they won a lot of those matchups. The two DEF tackles made themselves a lot of money.

2) If I was a draft scout, I'd downgrade Will Johnson. Why draft a guy who is going to quit on his team? The remaining DBs played well, real team guys.

3) If I put a prospectus on Day, I think he has to win two games and get to the Semifinal.
...Put me in the minority. I would actually look at the Championship odds on OhioSt. They're talented enough to win it. Something like +700 is probably +EV.

4) Day looks so bad. If he is canned, think about the names to replace him:
*Chip Kelly is sitting there. But he would have to be viewed as being part of the problem.
*Urban Meyer: more realistic than people think. Only asterisk is that he wouldn't be the LONG-TERM solution.
*Mike Vrabel? He played there, it's in his blood. He was respected as an NFL Head Coach.

[Mac4Lyfe]

A few more comments on this game:

1) MICH won with a patchwork Off Line, a German TE, a WR who played lacrosse, a walk-on QB b/c the top-guy can't throw. Credit the MICH defense, they won a lot of those matchups. The two DEF tackles made themselves a lot of money.

2) If I was a draft scout, I'd downgrade Will Johnson. Why draft a guy who is going to quit on his team? The remaining DBs played well, real team guys.

3) If I put a prospectus on Day, I think he has to win two games and get to the Semifinal.
...Put me in the minority. I would actually look at the Championship odds on OhioSt. They're talented enough to win it. Something like +700 is probably +EV.

4) Day looks so bad. If he is canned, think about the names to replace him:
*Chip Kelly is sitting there. But he would have to be viewed as being part of the problem.
*Urban Meyer: more realistic than people think. Only asterisk is that he wouldn't be the LONG-TERM solution.
*Mike Vrabel? He played there, it's in his blood. He was respected as an NFL Head Coach.

I agree, I think the odds on OSU is pretty good to win it all. A part of me thinks maybe Day lost that game on purpose. Do you really want to play in the B1G championship game? What for? OSU will be in better shape than Oregon and might get an easier path. I think that was a good loss, even though it was Michigan. But he better get to the title game. Semifinals will not do with a rabid fan base. They already want his blood. Tennessee will not be an easy out.

I was hoping the Browns would fire Stefanski and promote Vrabel but it looks like they’re sticking with KS. Vrabel would be good at OSU. Fans really would take Urban back. Heck Gator fans would take Urban back too. Fans are pissed at Kelly’s and the pathetic offense he showed. Nobody wants to promote him.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Hi, Mac. Have to admit I've been out of the game on the Future odds.

My read on the market was off:

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/ncaaf?tab=national-championship

...OhioSt is +400 at FanDuel. Not fat enough to play, they have to win four games.

Put me in the camp of being an Oregon non-believer:
1) Their schedule was too favorable. IE, Buckeyes traveling west, game was not in Columbus.
2) I'm not CONVINCED that Gabriel has the arm-strength. He might be 1st-team All-Amer, but not a rocket arm.

I've been pretty impressed by the Texas talent:
1) They landed a haul on the WR transfers.
2) Sark's mix on the 2-QB system appears to be just right.

If I had to place two wagers, it might be:
*Tex +380: Winning this game would give them a bye.
*Tenn +2000 as my longshot. This QB looks colt-like, but I like the Defense. Vols COULD do it (imho).

Will give one more opinion. Boise is 100/1 to win it.
...I don't think they're a contender to win the whole thing. But I think they're good enuf to win one CFP game.

[homie1975]

they are going to the playoff. loss to rival means zilch

[homie1975]

Go back to post #76 and #77. This loss is much worse than 1969 and 1995. The Wolverines had future pros on those teams:

*1969: Dierdorf, Mandich
*1995: Jansen, Biakabatuka

2024 will go down as an all-time bad loss. The best Wolverine Off/Def players (Loveland/WJohnson) were out. Even the most diehard Wolverine fan would not have made a case for them winning this game.

You make a good case about throwing the ball. OhioSt has two WR who will surely be 1st-rd draft choices.

CHUCKer they are going to the playoffs

the loss to meeechigan means nada, zilch

cfb is nfl light now. just get to the playoff is all you need

[ChuckyTheGoat]

CHUCKer they are going to the playoffs

the loss to meeechigan means nada, zilch

cfb is nfl light now. just get to the playoff is all you need

Who said the Buckeyes would miss the playoffs? I said (above) that they'd be in for sure.

Loss to MICH doesn't matter? Please. You want to be tuning up at the end of the year. Ohio St whiffed on that one. Confidence may be shaken (especially for the QB).

It's a terrible data point. They lost to a roster that was flawed 5x over.

Talent is there to win NCAA. But they missed out on the bye. Road to title is now much tougher.

[homie1975]

Who said the Buckeyes would miss the playoffs? I said (above) that they'd be in for sure.

Loss to MICH doesn't matter? Please. You want to be tuning up at the end of the year. Ohio St whiffed on that one. Confidence may be shaken (especially for the QB).

It's a terrible data point. They lost to a roster that was flawed 5x over.

Talent is there to win NCAA. But they missed out on the bye. Road to title is now much tougher.

CHUCKer i hear you.
UM was sneaky good this year, especially on D

considering they do not have a clear #1 qb they had a pretty decent season. only lost to highly ranked Indiana by 5 pts on the road. beat ohio state. beat SC when SC was playing well early in the season.

i think ohio state will be a big favorite, probably top 3 favorite behind oregon and texas to win it all. they already beat indiana handily and beat penn state on the road.

they will be very formidable in the playoffs in my opinion

[Mac4Lyfe]

I still think Day loss to Michigan on purpose. He was calling run plays off tackle 80% of the time. I think it was brilliant. Who gives a shit about that B1G title game. Rest up for Tennessee. The team looked fresh, fast am]nd invigorated. Now, they are in a groove to rematch Oregon. I think they beat Oregon easily in the Rose bowl. I was going to hedge but now I’m thinking no way. Let er ride.

[Headsterx]

I still think Day loss to Michigan on purpose. He was calling run plays off tackle 80% of the time. I think it was brilliant. Who gives a shit about that B1G title game. Rest up for Tennessee. The team looked fresh, fast am]nd invigorated. Now, they are in a groove to rematch Oregon. I think they beat Oregon easily in the Rose bowl. I was going to hedge but now I’m thinking no way. Let er ride.

Idk as I think he was on the hot seat tonight. If he would’ve lost against Vols, I think he would’ve been fired. So why risk job by losing to Wolves.

It was hilarious with Ohio St fans chanting S-E-C! S-E-C! 🤣

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I still think Day loss to Michigan on purpose. He was calling run plays off tackle 80% of the time. I think it was brilliant. Who gives a shit about that B1G title game. Rest up for Tennessee. The team looked fresh, fast am]nd invigorated. Now, they are in a groove to rematch Oregon. I think they beat Oregon easily in the Rose bowl. I was going to hedge but now I’m thinking no way. Let er ride.

Ohio St +1.5 (vs Oreg) is on my play list.
...It's a fascinating game. How do these teams match up on Neutral?
...I made one point about Oregon during the Regular season. Their schedule was so favorable. Buckeyes going west to Eugene, dodging a lot of tough trips.
...Oregon is fast, they're good. I still have some hesitation on Gabriel. His arm-strength is ?able.

[Shark]

Isn’t the scheduling still favorable? It’s the rose bowl. Not like Oregon is traveling to Atlanta or something.

[Spite]

If they get past Oregon they are definitely winning it all. They should already have a W against Oregon this season. You know Chip Kelly is gonna have something for em' too, no doubt in my mind. Would love to see it. Not even a Buckeyes fan but I am so sick of hearing from dipshits wanting to fire Ryan Day. That guy is an excellent football coach.