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**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by AK

These guys are no good. Im upset don best let them buy there way in for an advertising spot.

Grand Central Sports and david rockwell are no good.

I'm like a saint to this group.

Amen...these guys are bad news.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 12:50 PM

Really? You guys feel that strongly about them?

We wanted to give them a chance to have a good football season. SBR is a big fan of Rick the head linesman who has given us his personal guarantee that their will never be another occurrence of what happened before under his watch.

**bigboydan** · 08-13-05, 01:15 PM

i remember AK having bonus issues with them in the past john but, other than that i don't know anything really about them.

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Really? You guys feel that strongly about them?

We wanted to give them a chance to have a good football season. SBR is a big fan of Rick the head linesman who has given us his personal guarantee that their will never be another occurrence of what happened before under his watch.

Rick was a great addition...the best move yet for the group and a sign they are headed in the right direction. But Rick was still there when they tried to stiff the guy for $85,000.

My whole issue is that they are allowed to advertise WITHOUT proving themselves. I think a lot of books have good intentions (not sure that is the case with GC Sports though)...but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to get prime ad spots when they have a terrible history and reputation.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 01:35 PM

Clip,
One quick and minor correction. Rick was not there when this happened. He was there after the story broke and was the driving force in getting this player paid. After explining to him for only a couple of minutes what happened he agreed with SBR and never once waivered.

I agree they have not proved themself. We have words and personal guarantees but now we need some history which will take some time. So lets watch them and see.

AK · 08-13-05, 02:19 PM

edited by ak

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I agree they have not proved themself. We have words and personal guarantees but now we need some history which will take some time. So lets watch them and see.

I realize Rick wasn't there during the initial part of the dispute...but he was there when the shit hit the fan and he WAS NOT all for just paying the player. That is not true.

But yet they have great support and ad spots...that to me isn't right. Those should come once they have proven themselves...not during the trial and error periods.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 04:00 PM

I agree, they should have come down for a while.

SBR rates the MyBookie group a C. I know AK's opinion but do you guys think they are rated too high or maybe too low?

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I agree, they should have come down for a while.

SBR rates the MyBookie group a C. I know AK's opinion but do you guys think they are rated too high or maybe too low?

I think a "C" is justified in comparison with other books. Maybe D+ but you guys have a much better grasp of your ratings system than I do.

They claim to only cater to suckers yet allowed themselves to lose 300 dimes (or whatever it was) to that player. Now they are moving to the nine.com site and trying to be a mini BoDog. I wouldn't trust that group at all though. Very dishonest group.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 04:30 PM

Thanks Clip.. pretty solid points.

We like to give books another chance because they all make mistakes. That chance though is not given upfront, they need to put in a solid rest of the year but we don't hold a grudge. I see we upgraded Royal a bit as they continue to show signs of improvement.

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Thanks Clip.. pretty solid points.

We like to give books another chance because they all make mistakes. That chance though is not given upfront, they need to put in a solid rest of the year but we don't hold a grudge. I see we upgraded Royal a bit as they continue to show signs of improvement.

How do you handle situations like Royal?

I personally could never accept a rating above a C for that book as long as Tej is there...unless he paid EVERY player he stiffed from his other book. I don't see how a known stiff can get any grade above that because he has already proven he will stiff and walk away. Until that is accounted for and made right, Royal will never be a legit book.

Couple that with all of their slow pays and other bs and that book is trash.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 05:05 PM

Couple that with all of their slow pays and other bs and that book is trash.

Not much opinion on them I see?

Well its not easy and we don’t always agree even within SBR. Its a weighted rating in all aspects. And in Royals case, yes, Tej's past is weighed in. But the heaviest weight is given to what are they doing now and in the past few months.

I could write a book on the subject but the very short answer is we have to give incentive for books to improve. We cant do anything about the Scores players but we can try to inform present and future players to exactly their condition.

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Not much opinion on them I see?

Well its not easy and we don’t always agree even within SBR. Its a weighted rating in all aspects. And in Royals case, yes, Tej's past is weighed in. But the heaviest weight is given to what are they doing now and in the past few months.

I could write a book on the subject but the very short answer is we have to give incentive for books to improve. We cant do anything about the Scores players but we can try to inform present and future players to exactly their condition.

So all a stiff needs to do is open or buy a new book and they can get an A rating? That doesn't seem fair.

Does that mean you don't have a problem with BOS?

AK · 08-13-05, 05:17 PM

Very dishonest group.

To say the least.

They need to be put back at a F

I play at D- books and they pay!

Here you go john. I help you find there True Grade
Note these are all recent and don't include 2 years ago depression. Rick old linesman from allworld cannot save this group.

TOW

The player wanted to complete his rollover and eventually he cannot call in his bets.

In this scenario Mybookie should have either allowed the player to wager (maybe with lower limits) on the net or boot him without confiscating his bonus (not the player's fault he cannot complete his rollover).

Bad stuff.

ORBIT

These guys are a joke .... I used them about a month ago and won my first 2 bets ...then they limited me to $1 online ... AFTER 2 BETS!!! and then asked me to phone in all my bets ... which I was cool with .... so I did and the FIRST call I made they asked me to leave.

Inside the pylons

I wonder how books like Pinny and Cris like being on the same list as MyCrookie?

I like that one.

Ladeba

How the fukk is this book that continually takes shots at players in diguesting immorral ways still allowed to advertise here?

$$ is the answer Ladeba

DougJ

I'll never play there !

chuck sims

MyBookie are bums

chuck sims

My Bookie tried to STIFF a bettor out of $85,000. This place does not sound like a small recreational bettors place to me.

5teamparlay

If you play there and win you are screwed no matter what

redpimp

I just feel sorry for the dumb kid who doesnt even know of theRx who signs up and gets stiffed by shoddy operations like this!!!

Shack

Mybookie is not a place for me

PokerKing

I can remember these scammers slow paying me when they were Grand Central Sports. I was lucky to get my money out of there. I guess they blew up that name so they had to change names.

Pancho Sanza

They flat out blow, no two ways about it.

Truthteller

We have to ask how many other players are gettting the shaft by Mybookie who do not know about these forums.

The Shrink

Both The General and I worked very hard to get this player paid behind the scenes

SBR only 7 months ago

They do not have a "good rep", unless you consider slow pays and the verge of bankruptcy in their recent past a "good rep". And they certainly can not handle a player of your size. You will probably get paid this time because you have made noise and this will be dressed up like a pig with lipstick and the ole "miss understanding" thingy. Next time you might not be so lucky.

Walk of Life

good forum book??... By no means!!!

Ya they like to give clients the big stiff.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 05:45 PM

So all a stiff needs to do is open or buy a new book and they can get an A rating? That doesn't seem fair.

NO. Do you see any stiffs rated A? But BM's have their ups and downs and I know you know this. These books will have to pay every player they owe, every single penny if they want to ever get above even average. Without checking I think BOS is a D+ or C- and thats pretty much my opinion of them.

**Clip Joint** · 08-13-05, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

NO. Do you see any stiffs rated A? But BM's have their ups and downs and I know you know this. These books will have to pay every player they owe, every single penny if they want to ever get above even average. Without checking I think BOS is a D+ or C- and thats pretty much my opinion of them.

But could they possibly be raised to an "A" without paying their past debts? Namely Tej.

Let's say Royal goes on best behavior...can they ever improve without him having to pay his debts? That wouldn't seem fair if so.

AK · 08-13-05, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Clip Joint

But could they possibly be raised to an "A" without paying their past debts? Namely Tej.

Let's say Royal goes on best behavior...can they ever improve without him having to pay his debts? That wouldn't seem fair if so.

I remember when john would flat out rip the shit out of the major and tow for backing up ****tards like mybookie. My favorite quote of from john, "Inbetween cashing their advertising checks, why don't you save your rubbish for the player getting slow paid".

Do not sale out, keep your name solid lower the rating back to a D atleast

**SBR_John** · 08-13-05, 06:17 PM

These books will have to pay every player they owe, every single penny if they want to ever get above even average.

Average is in the 'C' area.

AK · 08-13-05, 06:24 PM

Average is in the 'C' area.

betcom is not average

You know they are lying, they know they are lying but that’s their job. Like Roberto in this thread, he knows MyBookie is not solid, and of course he knows BCN is not higher rated than WWTS but he's already been bought.

Looks like john was right.

Lower the rating John

**Walk of Life** · 08-14-05, 02:35 AM

AK;

Now I have seen it all... AK suggesting ratings on book he doesn't know shit about and getting an ear?

LMFAO!!!

Maybe they won't let you **** around with them and that's why you got a woody, hey AK???

What do you think of Bodog.com??? Another 'scum joint' according to you??? MVBSKI got you busted there and gave the book a heads-up on your little running scam...

In all seriousness, bro... you don't know shit about honesty... how can you tell if somebody is honest or not?

Take it form me... Nine.com will be HUGE after this NFL season... good forum book??... By no means!!! They are aiming for squares and nothing but that...

AK · 08-14-05, 08:56 AM

bodog is solid

good forum book??... By no means!!!

I add that to the list. I wonder how many people that gcs group has tookin that don't know about sbr.

I bet SBR has saved clients over 250,000 from that no good book.

**SBR_John** · 08-14-05, 10:13 AM

Do you remember Peter? He and Rockwell made a heck of a team.

I tried to get you some good history on them but our search only goes to like early 2002. Too bad, we had them on the blacklist while they were a MW favorite. 6 months later they were in full slow pay and down for the count. Jazz then saved them.

This is a book with some good folks but still the David Rockwell's too. Lets see how it goes.

AK · 08-14-05, 10:16 AM

Do you remember Peter? He and Rockwell made a heck of a team.

I remember Peter, what a non solid kind of guy.

**SBR_John** · 08-14-05, 10:21 AM

non solid kind of guy

LOL..

**marc** · 08-14-05, 10:23 AM

Betcom is very quick in limiting players to phone only wagers. I don't know how it is now that rick is there, but it used to be when you called in for the line, they would give you something different than the posted line. So often you were wasting your time, because you'd call hoping for 1 line, and the line they'd quote, would be something very different. Combine this with the fact that the bonus is sticky, so if you withdraw (because they won't let you bet), you have to give back the bonus, you're going to have a lot of players complaints.

I'd be curious to know if nayone has noticed any signifcant difference since Rick became the head linesman.

**why** · 08-14-05, 10:33 AM

Never have used them, I have heard a lot of nasty rumors about GCS but then again this industry seems to be filled with rumors and shady charactors.

**SBR_John** · 08-14-05, 10:50 AM

I'd be curious to know if nayone has noticed any signifcant difference since Rick became the head linesman.

We will pay them a visit next month. I will even ask about AK's issue while I'm there. But I think they had their fill of sharp players. Remember the first time they hit the canvas it was due to sharp action cleaning their clock.

**Clip Joint** · 08-14-05, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

We will pay them a visit next month. I will even ask about AK's issue while I'm there. But I think they had their fill of sharp players. Remember the first time they hit the canvas it was due to sharp action cleaning their clock.

Integrity is something you either have or you don't have...Rockwell fits into the latter.

AK · 08-14-05, 09:10 PM

edited...

**jjgold** · 08-15-05, 06:03 AM

Betcom is a C type book

**Walk of Life** · 08-15-05, 12:58 PM

Hey coach, by definition what's a 'C-type' book?

Thanks in advance for the knowledgeable response...

Now -and just for the record- I'm not protecting anybody here... but I just thought it was funny how much credit AK's words were awarded -at least in appearance-, when the kid really is just a con-artist and i would really like to know where you guys draw the line...

AK · 08-15-05, 05:11 PM

GCS and myself had some misunderstandings between the account and everything is fine.

Mybookie group is on there way to take over industry.

You heard that here first.

**SBR_John** · 08-15-05, 05:52 PM

Mybookie group is on there way to take over industry.

Cha-Ching$