What makes a PPH (Pay Per Head) service illegal?

**sweep** · 02-05-13, 01:03 PM

You live in the U.S. guy?

**jpveltri** · 02-05-13, 01:07 PM

Yes. What is illegal about it in the US?

**sweep** · 02-05-13, 01:20 PM

Pay Per Head Sites- Legal?

**LVHerbie** · 02-05-13, 01:20 PM

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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/coder-charged-for-gambling-software/

**InsiderHer** · 02-05-13, 01:45 PM

Booking is illegal, while using a PPH site is not illegal. The act of booking is what gets you in trouble not the act of using a PPH company. PPH is an accounting service.

**jpveltri** · 02-05-13, 01:53 PM

Than why are all these PPH companies not in the US? You're saying it's completely 100% legal to open a PPH service....C'mon. I'm shocked no one on this forum really knows.

**TheStandard.ag** · 02-05-13, 02:01 PM

It is certainly grey area, but most PPH sites sit outside of the real problem areas. The main issue that is certainly illegal is the taking of bets from US citizens, a PPH site doesn't handle any bets from anyone, they merely license the software to local agents for a set weekly fee. It is up to a local agent to handle any money and determine what is legal or illegal in their jurisdiction.

The Wired article referenced above doesn't really apply here since that is a case where the software developer is being prosecuted, though if you read the article it doesn't sound like there is much of a case. Prosecuting a software developer opens pandoras box to any industry that has software being used for illegal purposes. I'm sure something illegal is being done through Google right now, is Google liable for that? Most PPH providers license the software and are not the developers themselves.

**InsiderHer** · 02-05-13, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by jpveltri

Than why are all these PPH companies not in the US? You're saying it's completely 100% legal to open a PPH service....C'mon. I'm shocked no one on this forum really knows.

you're fishing here jpveltri. So, I could only surmise the real question goes something like this. I'm thinking about opening up my own pph company, is that legal?

**jpveltri** · 02-05-13, 02:24 PM

not at all InsiderHer. I do have a business idea, but it is not a PPH service. My business idea is related to it though and I just really need to know what specific action deems a PPH service illegal.

I just don't understand because you have companies like WagerMinds and these Facebook games where you can bet on sports with play money. Are these technically illegal? Is the $10 a week that the bookie pays the PPH service the illegal part?

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**InTheDrink** · 02-06-13, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by jpveltri

not at all InsiderHer. I do have a business idea, but it is not a PPH service. My business idea is related to it though and I just really need to know what specific action deems a PPH service illegal.

I just don't understand because you have companies like WagerMinds and these Facebook games where you can bet on sports with play money. Are these technically illegal? Is the $10 a week that the bookie pays the PPH service the illegal part?

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**playersonly69** · 02-06-13, 07:14 PM

The main problem is the evasion of taxes

**8ArIvd5** · 02-06-13, 07:32 PM

I didn't shoot him. I drove my cousin to his house, called him outside, then watched it happen.

**Epope3LV** · 02-15-13, 11:02 PM

The act of booking a wager across state lines or booking a wager in states where gaming is illegal is illegal.

That's like owning a company that helps people transfer files back and forth. If you know someone is distributing child porn in your state or across state lines than you are aiding that person in the commission of a crime.

Now having a PPH site that's registered in Nevada with someone else who has a gaming license is legal.

**jpb383** · 02-16-13, 12:39 AM

Because the bets are being made through you service you're liable. Additionally most serious bookies only use PPH services which they generally have a stake in or a prior relationship with. It's very difficult to "break into" the PPH industry.

**Fishhead** · 02-16-13, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by playersonly69

The main problem is the evasion of taxes

**touchback** · 02-16-13, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

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