Beware Of Bet Royal

**Kane** · 11-24-05, 03:00 PM

Hi Sota and Raiders,

I was after some reassurance and asked the customer services people for my account manager who was someone called Andre, and I mentioned to him that I might go to sportsbookreview with my concerns. He said payouts werent really his dept, and mentioned George and someone I think was called Richard, who he would get to phone me within the hour.
The call didnt come, and I phoned back and spoke to Richard, who said it would be in my account the following Friday (this was Monday, and I had first requested the money on the Tuesday before that).
Within 24 hours of speaking to Richard, the money dissapeared from my account balance (at last), and athough I didnt get it on Friday, it was in my account on the following Monday. Much to my relief. It was stressful. Betting is stressful enough without worrying that you may not get any winnings you may be fortunate enough to make.

I personally believe mentioning sportsbookreview helped, but thats just my opinion.

The payout was by bankwire. I was told by Andre that Royal have never not paid anyone, but I just cant understand the delay? I would never use them again.

I hope you get your money Sota, and like me, we never use badly rated sportsbooks again.

**jumper** · 11-24-05, 03:15 PM

i,d like to report that when i got home from work wednesday i saw a $2500 deposit from royal as requested.i became alarmed when i didnt have it tuesday then read this thread ,as my balance is unusually large there.i understand that royal may have been hammered with losses but i truly believe that ill be paid,although it may require patience.richard is obviously on top of this as he read my post almost when i placed it then called me.if a book is having problems i believe its best for everyone (including their competition)to help them survive,and if i need to withdraw slowly thats better than being stiffed.richard has told me that it is no problem to request 2 netellers($2500 max-total $5000) per week.i would like to report back to this forum near the end of january that my entire balance of $34000 has been paid as per their posted payout policy.i understand that royal isnt pinnacle where they will send you $50000 in 2 minutes,but pinny doesnt offer 25% 5x either.happy thanksgiving to all

**SBR_John** · 11-24-05, 03:41 PM

Hi everyone!

Well, I'm here because of Bet Royal. To be fair , I got my money (over $4k) , but only after what seemed a blimmin long two weeks, and after mentioning sportsbookreview after the first week.

I wouldnt use them again, whatever the bonus. Its not worth the stress if you need a withdrawal.

Welcome Kane,
Its scary for players that have never been stalled or slow payed. Glad you got paid.

**Kane** · 11-24-05, 04:33 PM

Thanks John, and I wish Jumper he best of luck.

**Truthteller** · 11-24-05, 04:39 PM

John, you notice the crew that is on the take from Tej keeps mentioning that Jumper might be a crook but doesn't say a word about Sota30's case?

**jay88** · 11-24-05, 05:30 PM

I know that jumper is a straight out guy...

**SBR_John** · 11-24-05, 06:39 PM

TT,
Tej directs his clones to 1) Discredit who ever is reporting the slow pay 2) Discredit the player.

That gives them time to find a face saving reason why the guy has not been paid. I dont care anymore; just pay the players that come to us requesting help with their royal slowpay.

I'm sorry that royal will hurt many players when they pull another Pyramid/Scoressportsbook but we have warned as many as we can.

**Quarm** · 11-24-05, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Brick Tamland

With that said...I would play there for a 100% bonus but make sure they knew I posted here.

Even at places like Royal a 100% bonus is a no-brainer.
Say you dep 100 get 100, you can try to scalp it out to another book. You have 2 tries until your balance may be too high for a bet on the whole royal balance.

And if you end up with lets say 1000$ it still shouldnt be a problem, they will pay such rather small amounts.
And for Royal its not a bad deal either, 100% looks big but they know about the scalpers and they know that they want to lose the royal money.
The guys that win have to go through a 10x or more Ro prolly.

AK · 11-24-05, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

TT,
Tej directs his clones to 1) Discredit who ever is reporting the slow pay 2) Discredit the player.

That gives them time to find a face saving reason why the guy has not been paid. I dont care anymore; just pay the players that come to us requesting help with their royal slowpay.

I'm sorry that royal will hurt many players when they pull another Pyramid/Scoressportsbook but we have warned as many as we can.

First post finally hit majorwager with these complaints.

lets see how long that post stays up.. I guess 13 minutes.

They like to bring up and defend them at other forums but how good is that when no one advertises them at them other forums.

Royal Sports Currently owes 2 players over $20,000 which have not been paid for months.

Be very careful and remember to check www.sportsbookreview.com before selecting any shop to play at.

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I Have Been Having Some Major Problems With Bet Royal Of Getting Ut Any Of My Money. I Recently Went On A Pretty Good Run, And Was Able To Get A Nice Bank Roll Built Up In My Account, And For The Last 4 Weeks Have Been Trying Any And Everything To Pull Money Out Of My Account, Needless To Say I Have Received $0. I Can't Say Enough Good Things About Bill At Sbr, I Gave Him A Call And He Was A Lot Of Help And Gave Me A Ton Of Information (most Of It Was Not Too Good About Bet Royal), But Was Atleast Willing To Try To Help Me Get What Is Mine. I Will Keep Those Updated As To The Staus Of This Withdraw Request For A Total Over $20,000. Would Appreciate Any Insight Or Advice From Those That Have Encountyered Any Problems
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bill,please add me to the list.royal owes me $22239.was told today the payment processor wasnt working.my hope is that with time ill get out but alot of scary news recently
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Payment processor wasnt working?
Thats a new one. I don't even think Camalot or Aces Gold made that excuse up but let me tell you it dont matter to the owners of this site as they will defend them religously until they stiff everyone.

**SBR_John** · 11-24-05, 08:27 PM

NO one at MajorWager plays at royal not even russ. In fact, the first signs of royal going down will probably start there. MW touting big royal bonuses and not defending tej would be signs that the end is near. You could also see Majorbetting pulled from tej. Of course all final payouts would be Solidpay vouchers... hmm

**Truthteller** · 11-24-05, 08:32 PM

Word around town today in CR is Royal is near their end. I hope someone can come and buy them out or at least do a bail out.

**TOW** · 11-24-05, 08:39 PM

TT,

There have been a number of royal employees approaching other books in the last couple of days. This has been shared by three bookmakers I know and respect.

Other than that I reported about a month ago that Tej was no longer available to bankroll the joint. He did it few times in the past, however current losses induced him to tell management to pay with what they manage to get in the door (new deposits).

Additionally everyone in the industry knows that royal has burned many bridges by stiffing agents and advertisers.

In view of this scenario your prediction might as well apply.....

**SBR_John** · 11-24-05, 08:42 PM

We have heard they have got themslf in a bind either betting out or hedging but yea, they got some problems.

But Tej has plenty of money. The scam he was convicted of in the US netted him $5 mil and the Scores scam was another maybe $1mil and the pryamid scam another $1mil. The other 500 scam books and casinos probably netted a couple of mil.

So I think he has money but if he thinks he can make more by grabbing the players escrow then he will wiyhout thinking twice.

**tacomax** · 11-24-05, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

We have heard they have got themslf in a bind either betting out or hedging but yea, they got some problems.

But Tej has plenty of money. The scam he was convicted of in the US netted him $5 mil and the Scores scam was another maybe $1mil and the pryamid scam another $1mil. The other 500 scam books and casinos probably netted a couple of mil.

So I think he has money but if he thinks he can make more by grabbing the players escrow then he will wiyhout thinking twice.

I do hope they don't shut up shop - the only losers will be the players; the owners will swipe the balances and run off to the next venture. If you're in the scam business then what would you prefer - a solid 10% p.a. return on your investment or running away with 100% of the player balances. It's a no-brainer really.

AK · 11-24-05, 08:47 PM

Would It be a good time to email Royals Database with this info? Would hate any player to reup there and be toast

**Truthteller** · 11-24-05, 08:50 PM

Roberto, I am good friends with one of the bookmakers who was approached by at least 3 employees from Royal. Those employees say the players who don't complain on the forums are not getting paid, period.

The employees are looking for other jobs not because of the no pays but they think Royal will not be in business in a short time.

**tacomax** · 11-24-05, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by AK

Would It be a good time to email Royals Database with this info? Would hate any player to reup there and be toast

From his tone, John is speculating although he could well be saying less than he knows. In all honesty if there really is something going on, then telling everyone to withdraw their balances at Bet Royal would only speed up the inevitable.

But I'm sure that raiders and jjgold will be spamming the forums tonight telling everyone how Bet Royal is in better shape than ever so we can all stop worrying.

**raiders72001** · 11-24-05, 09:12 PM

Taco- I didn't realize that you were such an expert on the offshore world. Royal's been in business for 8 years and has bailed out Gamblers Avenus and Lay107. They have also bailed out numerous players that needed help from books going under. The slow pays are nothing new. Bottom line is that everyone gets paid.

**tacomax** · 11-24-05, 09:30 PM

The 8-year past of Royal is pretty much irrelvant, raiders. The Post-Tej period most definately is. If a child-minding agency running for 8 years appointed Gary Glitter as their owner, would you tell people to send their kids there? Well, I guess if he paid you enough you'd say anything he wanted.

Originally posted by "SBR_John

The scam he was convicted of in the US netted him $5 mil and the Scores scam was another maybe $1mil and the pryamid scam another $1mil. The other 500 scam books and casinos probably netted a couple of mil.

That tells you all you need to know about the book. The owner has been involved in a number of scams - are you denying this or claiming that the leopard has now changed his spots?

But well done on fulfulling my prophecy and posting what a class joint that Bet Royal really are. I would have offered odds better than 57% for you doing that.

**raiders72001** · 11-24-05, 09:46 PM

If I'm not mistaken Tej has been there for years and was there while Roberto was CEO of Royal during the bailout of GA. Is that relevant enough for you.

**tacomax** · 11-24-05, 09:55 PM

Roberto advised that Tej bought Royal in August 2003, but that's not the issue really.

Are you saying that Tej with the scams he "was convicted of in the US netted him $5 mil and the Scores scam was another maybe $1mil and the pryamid scam another $1mil. The other 500 scam books and casinos probably netted a couple of mil." has now turned over a new leaf?

And come to think of it, is he bailing out those people who have lost money from his other "ventures"?

**SBR_John** · 11-24-05, 10:07 PM

From his tone, John is speculating although he could well be saying less than he knows. In all honesty if there really is something going on, then telling everyone to withdraw their balances at Bet Royal would only speed up the inevitable.

Taco we have an office in Costa Rica. We get a lot of information that by itself does not lead us to a conclusion.

You have read in this thread basically what we know but that is not enough to predict the collapse of Royal. We have lowered them slightly to D- and I feel it is currently accurate. Also, Royal has many haters, tej has many haters he needs a small army to protect him. So sometimes information like you have read here is blowun up and exaggerated.

**raiders72001** · 11-24-05, 10:15 PM

Taco- As Roberto would say, this business isn't filled with a bunch of nuns.

**pags11** · 11-24-05, 11:37 PM

I read as much bad stuff on the net about betroyal as I do any book out there...not good at all...

**raiders72001** · 11-24-05, 11:43 PM

John

sometimes information like you have read here is blowun up and exaggerated.

**pags11** · 11-24-05, 11:48 PM

I'd let anyone who has an account with them to stop playing with them immediately, and to let them know it's going to be a fight to get their funds out...especially if they have big balances...

**Bill Dozer** · 11-25-05, 01:50 PM

I do hope they don't shut up shop - the only losers will be the players; the owners will swipe the balances and run off to the next venture. If you're in the scam business then what would you prefer - a solid 10% p.a. return on your investment or running away with 100% of the player balances. It's a no-brainer really.

That is the problem assessing Royal. You know the owner has money because you know the amount he stole. You also know that he is willing to steal in order to maintain his wealth.

Unless Royal offers to pay TNT, Score and Pyramid players, it is always going to look like a matter of Tej doing what is most profitable for him at the time.

**pags11** · 11-26-05, 02:46 AM

I'm amazed these guys still get people to open accounts with them...

**raiders72001** · 11-26-05, 03:03 AM

Risk/reward

**Brick Tamland** · 11-27-05, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Risk/reward

nonforum marketin/suckers

**mw11111** · 11-28-05, 12:03 PM

I read the posts about BETROYAL.
I was looking around the internet and found a site that advertised BETROYAL. I thought I would give them a try. I was given a 25 percent bonus on a $500 deposit. I asked what the stipulations were. The guy on the PHONE, his name was ERIC told me that IF I deposit $500 I would have to roll it over 5x. Sounded easy enough and I could keep the 25 percent = $125 plus transaction fees = $43. I was unaware of any problems with BETROYAL. I increase my balance to $1900. Also, meeting the requirement for roll over wagering somewhere around 3300. I requested a withdrawal of $1000 on OCTOBER 30, 2005. Figuring if I lose any money past that point will be theirs and not mine. I received a check FEDEX no more than 2 weeks later.
I have recently requested another withdrawal in the amount of $1500. I requested this one as of 11-14-05. The money was taken from my account the same day. But as of this date, November 28. 2005 havent received a tracking #.
I thought I would check their rating on here and viewed the problems I was not aware of. I dont believe I will have a problem receiving my request. The customer service seems to be good. Very friendly and they have returned a call already stating they are looking into the delay of the Tracking #. I hope that my relationship continues to be positive. I would definately be concerned If I had a significant amount of money In this sports book that wasnt PROFITS.
I thought I would post my dealings with this company that not everyone is having a bad experience with BETROYAL. OR at least not yet.

**Illusion** · 11-28-05, 02:30 PM

Welcome to SBR mw11111

If they continue to stall you on that tracking number send Bill Dozer an email and he should be able to help you: assistance@sportsbookreview.com

**marc** · 11-28-05, 06:04 PM

MW1111,

Royal seems to have problems sending checks. IF the amoutn is just $1500, I would ask them to send it by neteller, and not waste time chasing after a tracking number.

The thing to remember about Royal is that they have a lot of active non forum players. Before betJM came into existence, SPiro was looking at posisbly buying Royal. Tej and Co. paid good money for ROyal. And becuase of thier cusotmer base, Royal still has value. I would imagine, that if things were really bad, Tej would approach Spiro, or someone else and try to sell off Royal before Royal collapses.

**JoshW** · 11-29-05, 12:44 PM

Talked to two players I know who requested Neteller withdrawals yesterdays and have already been paid. I don't have all the information that other people have on this, and more importantly there are MANY warning signs even before recently slow pay reports, but some payouts are happening promptly.

**Illusion** · 11-29-05, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by lakerfan

Talked to two players I know who requested Neteller withdrawals yesterdays and have already been paid. I don't have all the information that other people have on this, and more importantly there are MANY warning signs even before recently slow pay reports, but some payouts are happening promptly.

That's good news laker, but how much were the withdraws for?