does the ncaa not have that rule? ball definitely hit the ground at one point.
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Is it a fumble if it's a lateral?Comment -
I think that only applies to a fumble that goes forward. This play involves a series of backward laterals. Not a fumble.Comment -
A lateral (backwards) can be recovered by anyone can it not?Comment -
100% sure. From NFL rulebook:
If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.Comment -
"If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half...."
aint no 2 minute deal in college ball hossComment -
Key word there is a fumble. "Fumble" and "Backwards Pass" (aka lateral) are separately defined actions. They are not the same thing. Take a look at this doc that defines them.
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Step back and think, bro. A backward pass IS a pass.
And a "pass" includes a BACKWARD PASS (aka lateral) which is exactly what this was. Take a look at Section 7, Article 1. A backward pass is not the same as a fumble. If it was, it would not need to have a separate section defining it.
Notice in the definition of fumble it doesn't reference FORWARD pass, only says pass. That's because it;s intended to include both forward pass and backward pass. A backward pass is not a fumble. This is not rocket science.Comment -
A DROPPED backwards pass is a fumble. Jesus Fukkin Christ.Comment -
Lateral = backwards pass....
if your to stupid to understand the rules I posted then maybe you should stop betting bro.Comment -
NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
/discussionLast edited by d2bets; 12-24-14, 04:32 PM.Comment -
That blows my mind because I swear to God I have seen the play blown dead after a dropped lateral (backwards pass). Will try to find a video.Comment -
I would love to know how then the refs can distinguish between a lateral and a fumble in which the player is hit as he is lateraling and the ball falls to the ground.NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
/discussionOriginally posted by Dark HorseComment -
NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
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Dude is a complete moron talking about me watching a football game...fu king retardComment -
Backwards pass = lateral
Its about the intent...FUMBLES ARE NOT INTENDED....Comment
