dont play anywhere FIRST FIDELITY

**rm18** · 12-16-05, 05:18 PM

I have had no problem getting withdrawals from youwager.com and betpop.com

I am pretty sure you would be the first, as the B+ rating mostly reflects annoying customer service and not any no play/slow pay incidents

**Aces** · 12-16-05, 05:25 PM

1st post hmmm BeenScrewed for a screen name hmmm.

Pretty evasive post here guy how about a little more detail on your problem.

Who --- screwed you

What --- what was their reasoning (what is it they cant back up)

When --- when did this happen

**natrass** · 12-16-05, 05:36 PM

Beenscrewed? So with that name you are only going to post on the one topic then.

If I understand right, we are not supposed to touch these books because some guy on the internet has told us so? Without reasons.

You can understand the lack of credibility Im sure.

**tacomax** · 12-16-05, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by beenscrewed

youwager.com
betanysports.com

your funds are not safe here, you can put it in, you can gable it for weeks, but when you want to take it out they will make an excuse with nothing to back it up and they will keep your money and give you back your initial deposit.

You should send details of the problem to Bill Dozer at assistance@sportsbookreview.com

It's unusual to hear a complaint against First Fidelity so I would expect that your problem can be swiftly rectified.

**Trouble Maker** · 12-16-05, 10:32 PM

Let me guess what happened. You came in on a bonus, didnt read the rules and when you found out you couldnt cash out the bonus until you played through you got pissed and abusive and they sent you back your money and asked you never to return. Sound about right?

**HAPPY BOY** · 12-17-05, 03:43 AM

first fidelity pays you sound like your pissed off cause you didnt get your way with some b.s. give us in detail what happned then contct sbr.

**Brick Tamland** · 12-17-05, 03:47 PM

great book...clockwork payouts by check. if this guy had a real prob he would tell us what happen.

**marc** · 12-18-05, 01:50 PM

Youwager's anti bearding security is second only to sportingbet (might even be better). They keep very good track of ip's, and they always force players to call for payouts and to set up aco****s in order to be able to log in thier phone numbers. So if you call from your friends phone, and your friend has an aco**** as well, that phone call will link your two accounts.

I'm guessing this is a case where they are accusing the player of having multiple aco****s. EIther that, or as was already mentioned, player got free play, player lost free play, player wants out, but can't get his money until he completes the rollover.

Screwed, if you give us some deatils we might be abel to help.

**pags11** · 12-18-05, 06:43 PM

any update on this?...

**beenscrewed** · 12-19-05, 06:26 PM

FIRST FIDELITY AND YOU WAGER.COM STOLE 10k FROM ME

FIRST FIDELITY AND YOU WAGER.COM STOLE 10k FROM ME

I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH YOUWAGER.COM, I HAVE ON TAPE THAT THEY ARE TAKING MY MONEY BECAUSE I HIRED A LAWYER TO GIVE ME ADVICE. THEY TOOK MY MONEY BECAUSE I WON TOO MUCH MONEY TOO FAST, AND IN THE END THEY ARE TAKING MY MONEY BECAUSE I HIRED A LAWYER OUT OF FEAR OF THEM STEALING MY MONEY. I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO CNN ABOUT A FOLLOW UP ON THEIR “IS IT SAFE” SEGMENT A MONTH AGO ABOUT ONLINE GAMBLING. SO I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO WARN PEOPLE AND I ASK YOU ALL DO WHAT YOU CAN TO KEEP US INNOCENT ONLINE GAMBLERS SAFE. MY SPAM TO ALL FORUMS WITH MY FRIENDS HELP ALONG WITH A NEWS SEGMENT MIGHT FEEL LIKE ENOUGH, BUT NOTHING WILL FEEL LIKE ENOUGH TILL I GET MY MONEY.

CHEERS. This is just the beginning.

**tacomax** · 12-19-05, 06:29 PM

Have you contacted Bill Dozer about this?

I would think that he could resolve this issue without going to the trouble which you appear to be going to.

**mad** · 12-19-05, 06:37 PM

Sound advice given by Taco, beenscrewed. Talk to "The Dozer", he's your man. Dozer where are ya? Show yourself.

**rm18** · 12-19-05, 06:50 PM

I'm not sure how legit this complaint is but this has me a little worried since I have won more money than that from their family last week, they must have got some bad karma from that bad break I got on pxp wagering last monday.

I will call and withdraw tomorrow morning and let you know how things go

**beenscrewed** · 12-19-05, 06:52 PM

ok here it is, I have every conversation on tape with these guys, they lie back and forth repeatadly. And the bottom line (ON TAPE) is that i am a good poker player and i dont bet enough sports, the poker room is for sports bettors only. I DO BET SPORTS and the poker room takes a rake. they just gave me final word today that because they found out i had hired a lawyer i am not getting my money, of course i hired a lawyer what would anyone else do over 10k, for the record i only tried to cash ou t5k of it i had no intention on leaving the site cause i had fun there. I took my fiancee to sanfrancisco becuase i had been winning so much then cashed out 5k to pay off the credit card. then all this happened, all this stuff about b+ and free play.... means nothing. THIS IS NOT A BONUS ISSUE there was none,

**beenscrewed** · 12-19-05, 06:55 PM

if you want more info just ask, it runs deeper then i can type in a short period, the bottom line is they wont give me my money i fyou have questions just ask. i got 2 hours of tape record from them sayong the betanysports.com software is identical to youwager.com software, but at one you can eneter risk amounts and not the other and you can wager play by play but not the other, i got many loopholes of lies coming out thier mouhts.

call me if you want a full exclusive i am not shy

1-604-318-8453

**beenscrewed** · 12-19-05, 06:58 PM

please let me know how it goes, I dont know who bill dozer is but feel free to call me at 1-604-318-8453 ANY TIME. or let me know what you think. The last i heard today which i have on tape is that there are no pro poker players allowed in their sportsbet poker room. EVEN though i bet sports every day. they have taken something personal that they never told anyone was a rule.

**rm18** · 12-19-05, 07:02 PM

Well I've never played online poker so I guess that is to my advantage, I can understand a book not wanting to pay a sharp bettor, if you win at poker you are just taking other clients money right?

**bigboydan** · 12-19-05, 07:15 PM

beenscrewed, please contact bill dozer at: Assistance@SportsbookReview.com so he can look into your complaint.

**marc** · 12-19-05, 07:26 PM

beenscrewed,

Are they accusing you of collusion. If so, there are quite a few players who have had their money confiscated from other poker/sports sites fro the same reason.

Really don't know how a lawyer will help you get money from a costa rican book

**BAUS** · 12-19-05, 07:56 PM

There is really no need to discuss lawyers, media, etc.

The best thing for you to do would be to get in touch with Bill. The people here at SBR are well connected in this industry and will do the best they can to help you.

Airing this dirty laundry won't help you get paid any faster.

BAUS

**marc** · 12-19-05, 08:09 PM

Beenscrewed,

A piece of advice, if you are going to take the time to post, it would be helpful if you can provide some details. All anyone here knows is that you have some gripe with you wager. No one here knows you, no one knows what the issue is, so if your goal is to get people angry or scared to play at youwager, it's not working. Unless you are willing to explain what's going on, people are going to stop reading this thread.

**mad** · 12-20-05, 01:10 AM

Don't know about your case beenscrewed but i think you should stop posting your phone number for your own sake. Alotta' loonies out there mate.

**Aces** · 12-20-05, 01:14 AM

Ok if you have it on tape with this book saying they took your money due to you winning to much to fast. Upload it to your computer and post the file for all to hear.
If you dont know how just ask and i'll walk you through it.

**natrass** · 12-20-05, 07:31 AM

Hmmm ... I wonder what the chances the argumentb went something like this :

bookie : you have XXXX (some form of cheating, beard accounts, bonus abuse, poker collusion)
beenscrewed : yeah, well, pay up anyway or I am going to give you bad publicity on all the forums and get everyone to stay away from you.

This just has all the hallmarks of the disgruntled chancer trying to blackmail a bookie.

the hallmarks being :

1. Pioster appears from nowhere
2. Case presented very aggressively
3. Poster is adament there is absolutley no doubt about his case
4. Poster attempts to be as vague as possible about the facts

The guy is probably a fraudster (just like betonstars-ensnare-me, etc). Same old tactics and its rather tiresome.

**isetcap** · 12-20-05, 07:50 AM

Yep, easy to spot.

I hired a lawyer and talked to CNN.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

**Winston Smith** · 12-20-05, 08:01 AM

You hired a lawyer?

Do you recall him saying anything along the lines of "Don't talk about the case."?

I can't imagine any lawyer saying "Go, spread news of this to every forum in the land in all caps."

**isetcap** · 12-20-05, 08:08 AM

no that is what CNN told him to do.

**HAPPY BOY** · 12-20-05, 12:09 PM

nothing but mad props about FF, matter of fact just withdreww again this am courtious, friendly and one of the fastest payouts around! This guy smells like a rat who got caught! sorry guy gotta come up with something better than the shit your shoveling so far!

**Funnyguy25** · 12-20-05, 01:15 PM

Been Screwed Where U At?

**rm18** · 12-20-05, 03:23 PM

$2500 payout went fine for me, got it at about 1:30 ET

**beenscrewed** · 12-20-05, 06:44 PM

sure my lawyer said he can't do anything, and all audio will be available as soon as i can do these things you ask of me. I am not a rocket surgeon or no brain scientist. so for me to get what i have on tape to my pc is taking some time. You guys are pretty quick to criticize, if everything i say comes out ranting and raving and hot headed, of course it does, ive never had 10k taken like this before. This is all about the poker room, nd yes in poker you take other clients money, they are going to take the poker money i won (10k) and refund me my original deposit + the money i made betting sports. having an online poker room is str8 profit they take a rake while players take each others money. when i get the audio figured ill be back

**tacomax** · 12-20-05, 07:00 PM

Have you forwarded the details of this case to SBR yet?

**beenscrewed** · 12-21-05, 04:33 AM

i have sent 2 emails and had no reply i am not sure if its going in sbr junk mail, or if they are just real busy, i am going to email bbd@sbrforum.com right now. I would like sbr to hear my audio first and give me some advice.

**marc** · 12-21-05, 12:00 PM

Beenscrewed,

Some of us having been having problems with our email. But I think your email to bbd should go through.

Also, please understand, its not that posters here are trying to be critical, but in all your posts you have never really taken the time to explain what occurred. And many of us have played with youwager without any problems. SO why not just take a minute to tell us what happened.