Should I start using legal in state books over bookmaker?

[EGrecu]

My frustration is that BM doesn't post lines early enough. I was looking to hit the bulls line immediately when I saw it was 2-3... by time BM posted, it was a 4-4.5. This happens all the time

However BM does 108 lines with a big bonus. The legal books are all 110 lines. I'm betting 8K a game.

What do you guys think?

[stevenash]

My frustration is that BM doesn't post lines early enough. I was looking to hit the bulls line immediately when I saw it was 2-3... by time BM posted, it was a 4-4.5. This happens all the time

However BM does 108 lines with a big bonus. The legal books are all 110 lines. I'm betting 8K a game.

What do you guys think?

8 dimes at -110 you're laying 880 in juice
8 dimes at -108 you're laying 864 in juice

Do the math

[EGrecu]

8 dimes at -110 you're laying 880 in juice
8 dimes at -108 you're laying 864 in juice

Do the math

But I consistently miss the best lines I want to hit cause BM doesn't post early enough

Even today. Celtics were 217 at some places. Bm posted and it was 216 and is falling hard

[stevenash]

But I consistently miss the best lines I want to hit cause BM doesn't post early enough

Even today. Celtics were 217 at some places. Bm posted and it was 216 and is falling hard

I have Heritage as my main, go to out.
Let me check out the Celtics line there.

[stevenash]

214
Anyone injured?

[EGrecu]

214
Anyone injured?

None of the big name offensive players are out

Couple of Dallas starters are questionable but it shouldn't matter too much. Both teams have lots of good defensive players and great defensive minded coachs


I got that as a 108-103 kind of game

[stevenash]

None of the big name offensive players are out

Couple of Dallas starters are questionable but it shouldn't matter too much. Both teams have lots of good defensive players and great defensive minded coachs


I got that as a 108-103 kind of game

Agreed.
Logical thinking.

[Waterstpub87]

If your winning, you wont have the -108 at Bookmaker very long. I logged into my bookmaker account, they took away bonuses and betpoints a long time ago. I have -110 on NBA lines.

Legal books are pretty good. Honestly, I was a big skeptic. I am in NJ, there are 2 that always post NBA totals night before, and maybe another 7 books that always have all the spreads.

[stevenash]

If your winning, you wont have the -108 at Bookmaker very long. I logged into my bookmaker account, they took away bonuses and betpoints a long time ago. I have -110 on NBA lines.

Legal books are pretty good. Honestly, I was a big skeptic. I am in NJ, there are 2 that always post NBA totals night before, and maybe another 7 books that always have all the spreads.

I'm in Ct.
DK and FD are fine by me, would prefer a lower standard vig, but I guess you have to take what's offered, it's not like you can haggle with them.

[Waterstpub87]

Draftkings and Fanduel are good.

Personally, I like wynnbet, they have very off lines at open. BetMGM is decent as well.

At the point you can lineshop at 9 books, you get to a better place than reduced juice.

Only thing I will miss is the reduced juice baseball.

[big joe 1212]

I have them all funded

I shop for the best lines

I take advantage of the promos and boosts at USA books

If I get the same exact line, I’m playing it offshore where I’m getting -108

[stevenash]

Draftkings and Fanduel are good.

Personally, I like wynnbet, they have very off lines at open. BetMGM is decent as well.

At the point you can lineshop at 9 books, you get to a better place than reduced juice.

Only thing I will miss is the reduced juice baseball.

Tell me about it.
MLB is my bread and butter.

[jjgold]

Juice is a killer if you can’t get reduced juice if you’re a serious gambler just do not gamble ever

[Waterstpub87]

Tell me about it.
MLB is my bread and butter.

Is the white pizza with clams a big thing in Connecticut? Do you like it?

[d2bets]

My frustration is that BM doesn't post lines early enough. I was looking to hit the bulls line immediately when I saw it was 2-3... by time BM posted, it was a 4-4.5. This happens all the time

However BM does 108 lines with a big bonus. The legal books are all 110 lines. I'm betting 8K a game.

What do you guys think?

Why is it either or? Why not use both?

What state are you in?

Amazingly enough, it's true that most knshores post libes before the major offshores.

[stevenash]

Is the white pizza with clams a big thing in Connecticut? Do you like it?

Love it.
My office where I worked before COVID was up the street from Yale in New Haven.
New Haven has four amazing pizza restaurants, and a dozen other solid ones.

I live and work remote now from home in Fairfield County, Frank Pepe's in Fairfield is to die for.
A large will run you thirty dollars, worth every dollar though.

[Waterstpub87]

I dont know how people keep a lot of money in offshore books. It's eventually going to end. There will be legal sportsbooks in 48 states and all of Canada. They are going to crack down on bitcoin. All the square money will be going to legal books. The only ones left on offshore will be sharper players.

It's not sustainable. And then you are gambling that a foreign company that's going bankrupt is going to pay you, when they have no incentive at all to do so. Even during the height of offshore, I wasn't keeping more than a few thousand offshore.

[BuckyOne]

If your winning, you wont have the -108 at Bookmaker very long. I logged into my bookmaker account, they took away bonuses and betpoints a long time ago. I have -110 on NBA lines.

Legal books are pretty good. Honestly, I was a big skeptic. I am in NJ, there are 2 that always post NBA totals night before, and maybe another 7 books that always have all the spreads.

Agreed, they do not give bonuses to lifetime winning players. They know precisely what everybody’s lifetime record is and can tell you on any given call.

[Crusherrr]

Agreed, they do not give bonuses to lifetime winning players. They know precisely what everybody’s lifetime record is and can tell you on any given call.

False. Smaller books may not. Betnow, Youwager, GTBets, Mania/Sky/Phoenix, and those types of books. But my bonuses have only gotten better over time. I dont bet small markets, don't bet opening lines, give them casino action and most books have not shown me the door at all.

[Waterstpub87]

Love it.
My office where I worked before COVID was up the street from Yale in New Haven.
New Haven has four amazing pizza restaurants, and a dozen other solid ones.

I live and work remote now from home in Fairfield County, Frank Pepe's in Fairfield is to die for.
A large will run you thirty dollars, worth every dollar though.

I get it at the shore sometimes, but I'm sure its a knock off of the real thing. Something to consider if I ever find myself in Connecticut.

[jjgold]

Nobody can beat -110
As far as money lines if they’re not $.10 baseball and $.20 on everything else never ever gamble at that book

[Crusherrr]

I dont know how people keep a lot of money in offshore books. It's eventually going to end. There will be legal sportsbooks in 48 states and all of Canada. They are going to crack down on bitcoin. All the square money will be going to legal books. The only ones left on offshore will be sharper players.

It's not sustainable. And then you are gambling that a foreign company that's going bankrupt is going to pay you, when they have no incentive at all to do so. Even during the height of offshore, I wasn't keeping more than a few thousand offshore.

Maybe so- but if we are only left with legal books then I'd probably quit betting entirely. I have money spread across a bunch of offshores, twitter books, and some on legal books. But legal books probably get about 5% of my action currently.

I was listening to a podcast and one guy was saying advertising spend is so great because the average lifetime of an account is less than a year. In that time people get addicted and lose everything and quit, or they get tired of it and get bored and stop or slow down dramatically.

That's why they want to give you those odds boosts, and daily promos. They want you to check back every hour, every day, whatever it is. They want you hooked.

Friends of mine that are new to betting love the legal books. However, some have started looking into better options. Sites like BetOpenly are WAY better than "legal" books. It's very difficult to win at -110. That's why offshore is still better for right now. I will always prefer using crypto, too. I don't like KYC stuff or wanting my VIP account managers at DraftKings asking me what line of work I'm in and stuff like that.

Offshore knows their place. They still do it better than any USA book does. I don't think they will be going anywhere, anytime soon. Bitcoin isn't going anywhere, either.

[Waterstpub87]

What is a Twitter book?

[jjgold]

Maybe so- but if we are only left with legal books then I'd probably quit betting entirely. I have money spread across a bunch of offshores, twitter books, and some on legal books. But legal books probably get about 5% of my action currently.

I was listening to a podcast and one guy was saying advertising spend is so great because the average lifetime of an account is less than a year. In that time people get addicted and lose everything and quit, or they get tired of it and get bored and stop or slow down dramatically.

That's why they want to give you those odds boosts, and daily promos. They want you to check back every hour, every day, whatever it is. They want you hooked.

Friends of mine that are new to betting love the legal books. However, some have started looking into better options. Sites like BetOpenly are WAY better than "legal" books. It's very difficult to win at -110. That's why offshore is still better for right now. I will always prefer using crypto, too. I don't like KYC stuff or wanting my VIP account managers at DraftKings asking me what line of work I'm in and stuff like that.

Offshore knows their place. They still do it better than any USA book does. I don't think they will be going anywhere, anytime soon. Bitcoin isn't going anywhere, either.

you nailed it to a tee

[Pete0]

False. Smaller books may not. Betnow, Youwager, GTBets, Mania/Sky/Phoenix, and those types of books. But my bonuses have only gotten better over time. I dont bet small markets, don't bet opening lines, give them casino action and most books have not shown me the door at all.

what plays do u like today crusherrr?

[BuckyOne]

False. Smaller books may not. Betnow, Youwager, GTBets, Mania/Sky/Phoenix, and those types of books. But my bonuses have only gotten better over time. I dont bet small markets, don't bet opening lines, give them casino action and most books have not shown me the door at all.

Bookmaker has not shown me the door / I still use them when they have the best number. But, they have told me my account is not eligible for a bonus due to my winning record. But, that has been ten years ago and I do not respond to any email promos of any kind from them.

But, I do not / have not / never will play their casino. Only take their number when it is the best in the marketplace. So, maybe their profile is that sophisticated? I didn't just win as I had won there every year since online gambling started especially when it was CRIS. I have nothing against them / it is all different now that all the banking is online.

CRIS paid but used to bitch on a paper check and charged like 200 bucks. They also did book to book transfers but would charge back if the other book went teats up.

[themike78]

I dont know how people keep a lot of money in offshore books. It's eventually going to end. There will be legal sportsbooks in 48 states and all of Canada. They are going to crack down on bitcoin. All the square money will be going to legal books. The only ones left on offshore will be sharper players.

It's not sustainable. And then you are gambling that a foreign company that's going bankrupt is going to pay you, when they have no incentive at all to do so. Even during the height of offshore, I wasn't keeping more than a few thousand offshore.

People have been saying offshore is going to end the past 5 years. It's not going anywhere. It's stronger than ever. These U.S books are all garbage. No customer service and take too long to pay. Also the U.S is not offshores only market. Look at all those books that voluntarily banned U.S players 10 years ago and they are all doing fine.

[ABEHONEST]

Nobody can beat -110
As far as money lines if they’re not $.10 baseball and $.20 on everything else never ever gamble at that book

JJ, good for you. I am surprised because I always thought you "promoted gambling overall? Not actually advise against it?
Alright, and you may be right with what you say? A losing streak with -110's can suck your winnings out before a blink of an eye.

[jjgold]

I am getting anywhere 10 to 40 cents better every tennis line offshore

I try and give PA books a chance but then I say I am getting ripped off with juice

I tried pointsbet it is terrible

[gauchojake]

This fukkin guy

[Waterstpub87]

People have been saying offshore is going to end the past 5 years. It's not going anywhere. It's stronger than ever. These U.S books are all garbage. No customer service and take too long to pay. Also the U.S is not offshores only market. Look at all those books that voluntarily banned U.S players 10 years ago and they are all doing fine.

I doubt its stronger than ever. Its only going to get tougher. Many events can trigger the dominoes falling, some of which are in the works right now.

Be careful, for yourself.

[jjgold]

Offshore is massive unless they cut off coins

They are too ingrained everywhere with lots of credit agents too every city

The smaller books will fall off but that is about it

[eidolon]

When will legal books in the US start to run like Matchbook?
The overhead has to be so minimal, so they can easily just charge a small minimum, and rake in 1 or 2% of the bet.

[Crusherrr]

When will legal books in the US start to run like Matchbook?
The overhead has to be so minimal, so they can easily just charge a small minimum, and rake in 1 or 2% of the bet.

Take a look at BetOpenly. Legal in USA

[DontTailMe]

But I consistently miss the best lines I want to hit cause BM doesn't post early enough

Even today. Celtics were 217 at some places. Bm posted and it was 216 and is falling hard

You're allowed to play at more than one book. That way you get the best of everything.