FanDuel rules question

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 08-30-22, 08:35 PM

He might be lying to you; investigate further.

**TheMoneyShot** · 08-30-22, 08:54 PM

If pitchers are listed... automatic refund. No action.

**jjgold** · 08-30-22, 08:57 PM

Managers make $14 an hour and and absolutely dummies at any sports book like someone said investigate further

**Optional** · 08-31-22, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by playersonly69

So I had a parlay with Marlins under 3.5 for the first 5 innings and under 6 for the game.

My ticket SPECIFICALLY says McClanahan vs. Luzardo on it.

But it was graded a loser at the book here in Louisiana. I always thought that a change in pitcher voids ALL total bets.

But the manager called the main office and they said that a change in pitcher ONLY voids moneyline bets and prop bets.

I guess that different book have different rules but this sucks

Here are the FanDuel rules;

4.2 Action vs. Listed Pitchers

When wagering on baseball Money Lines, you may choose to apply one of the following methods to each wager:

Action: All Money Line wagers are defaulted to “Action” meaning all wagers struck will stand if a pitcher change occurs. Wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal
One Specified Pitcher (Home Listed/Away Listed): A wager on or against one Listed Pitcher, regardless of the other Listed Pitcher. In the event that the Listed Pitcher does not start, the wager is “No Action” and will be refunded. Non-refunded wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal.
Both Specified Pitchers: A wager in which both Listed Pitchers must start the game. If both actual starting pitchers are not the ones listed on the wagering ticket, the wager will be deemed “No Action” and refunded. Non-refunded wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal.

All other game markets are considered “Action” and wagers will remain open regardless of any personnel change. Wagers will be settled at the odds at bet placement.

Listed Pitchers are not relevant to World Baseball markets and bets on such markets will stand regardless of whether any Listed Pitchers do in fact start. Should a game end in a tie, Money Line wagers will be graded as a push with all other markets settled as per the result.

I'm afraid they are correct on your grading :\

**pologq** · 08-31-22, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Managers make $14 an hour and and absolutely dummies at any sports book like someone said investigate further

that is all they make? damn

**Stallion** · 08-31-22, 08:57 AM

Should be no action

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 08-31-22, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Here are the FanDuel rules;

4.2 Action vs. Listed Pitchers

When wagering on baseball Money Lines, you may choose to apply one of the following methods to each wager:

Action: All Money Line wagers are defaulted to “Action” meaning all wagers struck will stand if a pitcher change occurs. Wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal
One Specified Pitcher (Home Listed/Away Listed): A wager on or against one Listed Pitcher, regardless of the other Listed Pitcher. In the event that the Listed Pitcher does not start, the wager is “No Action” and will be refunded. Non-refunded wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal.
Both Specified Pitchers: A wager in which both Listed Pitchers must start the game. If both actual starting pitchers are not the ones listed on the wagering ticket, the wager will be deemed “No Action” and refunded. Non-refunded wagers will be honored at the odds at bet placement and settled as normal.

All other game markets are considered “Action” and wagers will remain open regardless of any personnel change. Wagers will be settled at the odds at bet placement.

Listed Pitchers are not relevant to World Baseball markets and bets on such markets will stand regardless of whether any Listed Pitchers do in fact start. Should a game end in a tie, Money Line wagers will be graded as a push with all other markets settled as per the result.

I'm afraid they are correct on your grading :\

Correct on their grading? He had both pitchers specified and one of them didn't start. According to their rules, it should be no action and a refund.

**Brooklyn Dick** · 08-31-22, 02:24 PM

So I had a parlay with Marlins under 3.5 for the first 5 innings and under 6 for the game.

What book would take that correlated bet anyway. Under 5 inn parlay with UND game?

**OldBill** · 08-31-22, 02:40 PM

nahhhhhhh mgrs make more tha $14 per hr at brick n mortar books

As of Mar 8, 2021, the average annual pay for a Sportsbook Manager in the United States is $61,452 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $29.54 an hour. This is the equivalent of $1,182/week or $5,121/month.

thats comes out to $40,033.80 net after taxes based on 35% off al taxes state fed city and SSI payments

**KS1986** · 08-31-22, 02:42 PM

Read their rules again. Totals aren't ML's, this is clearly all other markets "action".

**Emily_Haines** · 08-31-22, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by pologq

that is all they make? damn

I got reoffered $78 on a bet.

The suit said that was all I could have.

I said fuk that I'm going to the kiosk and betting it ten times.

He said he didn't care just don't do it on the kiosks near the book or he would get in trouble

**LT Profits** · 08-31-22, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

Correct on their grading? He had both pitchers specified and one of them didn't start. According to their rules, it should be no action and a refund.

Does not matter at Fan Duel per the rules posted above, only says Money Lines when applying Listed. Totals fall under "All other game markets", which are all Action.

Certainly a weird house rule, but it is what it is.

**DrunkHorseplayer** · 08-31-22, 05:46 PM

Right; didn't notice the "money lines" and "all other markets". One (or more) too many rum and cokes.

**TheMoneyShot** · 08-31-22, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Does not matter at Fan Duel per the rules posted above, only says Money Lines when applying Listed. Totals fall under "All other game markets", which are all Action.

Certainly a weird house rule, but it is what it is.

It's a terrible rule. Huge advantage if you get information that they may pull a reputable starter for some newbie kid.... and the original overnight total is set for like 8 o/u and you know it definitely could go over with a kid on the mound.

I still think it's total BS though.

**Optional** · 09-01-22, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Stallion

Should be no action

Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer

Correct on their grading? He had both pitchers specified and one of them didn't start. According to their rules, it should be no action and a refund.

Not having a go at you guys, but every time I explain a grading, no matter which way I go, people come out and say stuff like this.

Sportsbetting rules and gradings are not always simple or intuitive and just because it's not what you assumed it would be, does not mean it's a bad rule.

People here have complained bitterly about rules that advantage them more than the book, if it's unexpected for them.

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

It's a terrible rule. Huge advantage if you get information that they may pull a reputable starter for some newbie kid.... and the original overnight total is set for like 8 o/u and you know it definitely could go over with a kid on the mound.

I still think it's total BS though.

^^^ and a good example to illustrate it.

TMS just explained why this rule is a big advantage to sharp bettors, and then calls it BS?!

I'd bet no one complaining can explain what is bad or BS about this rule from a bettor perspective...

**Stallion** · 09-01-22, 11:42 AM

I wasn't taking a shot at you Optional, or anyone in this thread. The rules at Fanduel that you posted are a little confusing at 1st but after I re read it a couple times, yes that bet was "action" instead of listing pitchers. I am sorry if I offended Optional or anyone in this thread.

**Optional** · 09-01-22, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Stallion

I wasn't taking a shot at you Optional, or anyone in this thread. The rules at Fanduel that you posted are a little confusing at 1st but after I re read it a couple times, yes that bet was "action" instead of listing pitchers. I am sorry if I offended Optional or anyone in this thread.

I did not want to offend you either. I only pointed it out as it really is normal, and then MoneyShot made the perfect post to help illustrate why most weird rules are usually not good or bad, just different and a rule being different offers up options for bettors which are often to our advantage.

I am sure some people who read this thread are already thinking they should join FanDuel to have this grading option as a choice for the future.

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-01-22, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Not having a go at you guys, but every time I explain a grading, no matter which way I go, people come out and say stuff like this.

Sportsbetting rules and gradings are not always simple or intuitive and just because it's not what you assumed it would be, does not mean it's a bad rule.

People here have complained bitterly about rules that advantage them more than the book, if it's unexpected for them.

^^^ and a good example to illustrate it.

TMS just explained why this rule is a big advantage to sharp bettors, and then calls it BS?!

I'd bet no one complaining can explain what is bad or BS about this rule from a bettor perspective...

Yes, I called it BS because there is no other book that allows you to LIST PITCHERS.... a pitcher doesn't start... how is anything really LEGAL about the wager? Offshore... every book says... if a pitcher doesn't START... all wagers are cancelled.

I remember THE GREEK a long time ago. Pedro Martinez was coming back from injury... I knew he was going to start. But they listed some 5th rotation dude for Boston around 8PM the day before and I think the ML was -163. I wagered 1,630/1000 and had ACTION ON BOTH PITCHERS. So, if there was a pitching change... the wager would still stand. Pedro Martinez did start... and my wager DID HAVE ACTION. But THE GREEK adjusted the ML price to -260... claiming it was our opening line on the NEW STARTER... yes your wager had ACTION on the NEW STARTER. I said that was TOTAL BS!!!! So it was risking 1,630 to win 626.92. And we paid you 626.92. I said you guys are thieves!

I learned my lesson... I only LIST PITCHERS because I'd rather have a REFUND.... then to have ACTION on a new opening line set price. It's BS.

**Optional** · 09-01-22, 01:41 PM

^^^ I agree that pitcher rules for MLB betting are a bloody minefield.

And changing your odds on an action bet is a Barnum & Baily style rule. As a non-us person who was never used to it, it always seemed completely unfair.