Betting Bot?

**Optional** · 03-06-23, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by jvegas216

I have been MIA for a while as life has gotten busy. But I wanted to ask if anyone here has ever used a bot to get plays in? I would love to build one that follow an account, but I have no idea where to start. My search on this site has not yielded anything. Thanks in advance for any advice!

I'd say start with sites who invite users to do that via an API. Like Betfair https://docs.developer.betfair.com/d...ni/Betting+API

And that should teach you the basic concepts needed.

**Optional** · 03-06-23, 08:18 PM

Side chat has been moved here.

**newton0038** · 03-07-23, 12:13 PM

MGM Ontario just updated their T&C to deal with the rampant use of bots on their site. They also have a clause of 100%funds confiscation if an account is suspected of using any automated play. It is more poker gaming but encompasses sports auto betting also.
The full account fund confiscation would be an interesting court battle.

**KVB** · 03-07-23, 12:55 PM

Not sure about an interesting court battle there newton.

Are you saying the terms and conditions to go too far or does MGM Ontario have the right to confiscate if bots are used? I definitely think it has to be more than suspected, and I would imagine there would have to be funds earned as a result of the bots.

Maybe it would get a little interesting after all.

**Jayvegas420** · 03-07-23, 01:18 PM

nice handle

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 03-07-23, 01:43 PM

It would be difficult to confiscate deposited funds, legally speaking.

I wonder what the issue is with bot plays for sports books? They must have data that suggests it could hurt them.

Are there any canadian sites that have an API available?

**jvegas216** · 03-07-23, 04:35 PM

So what I looking for is a bot that can take a play i enter and fire it out in multiple books at once.

**newton0038** · 03-07-23, 05:49 PM

MGM new T&C has 30000 new rules all surrounding the use of bots. A syndicate likely cleaned up on poker and was simultaneously betting some weak numbers at the same instance.

**Optional** · 03-07-23, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by newton0038

MGM Ontario just updated their T&C to deal with the rampant use of bots on their site. They also have a clause of 100%funds confiscation if an account is suspected of using any automated play. It is more poker gaming but encompasses sports auto betting also.
The full account fund confiscation would be an interesting court battle.

That's some one talking out their rear end.

under Common law in Canada no private company can impose a "fine" on anyone else. Only the govt can.

MGM can try but would lose if challenged, and be fined themselves potentially.

**Darkside Magick** · 03-07-23, 05:59 PM

Some guys are using Chatgpt to automate their plays... I use Api feed into a mechanical rules "black box", algorithm I created.

It don't automate the plays but it give me a signal for me to put in bets

**Optional** · 03-07-23, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Darkside Magick

Some guys are using Chatgpt to automate their plays... I use Api feed into a mechanical rules "black box", algorithm I created.

It don't automate the plays but it give me a signal for me to put in bets

I'd love to know more about that if you have a link or more info?

**Darkside Magick** · 03-07-23, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Optional

I'd love to know more about that if you have a link or more info?

**Jayvegas420** · 03-07-23, 06:43 PM

why wouldn't you just use the chatgdp to figure out lines before they open?

**Optional** · 03-07-23, 06:46 PM

Great video Darkside.

That guy makes the process understandable really well.

**Optional** · 03-07-23, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Jayvegas420

why wouldn't you just use the chatgdp to figure out lines before they open?

But that video DM posted will explain how you can do it with not much knowledge and just a little effort using ChatGPT.

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 03-07-23, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Darkside Magick

Fascinating. I am a programmer and I and going to try and play around with this. Thanks man!

**Jayvegas420** · 03-07-23, 10:21 PM

If he disappears again....we'll know the Program worked

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 03-07-23, 10:37 PM

Or they found me

**BOWLSZN** · 03-08-23, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by jvegas216

So what I looking for is a bot that can take a play i enter and fire it out in multiple books at once.

ive used a bot with a group we ran the accounts in the ground if you do build the bot would love to know how

**BOWLSZN** · 03-08-23, 05:29 PM

do it to find it plays it will get shut down if its automated

**jvegas216** · 03-08-23, 05:46 PM

This is a great start. The building a bot to find plays is cool and all, but i was looking for more of a bot like BOWLSZN used in the past. I know using an automated bot can get the account shut down, but i dont care.

**BOWLSZN** · 03-08-23, 10:34 PM

you gotta build it you need several APIS of sports-books so the bot can calculate inefficient Lines & then the account info so it can log in & place the bets but if you are running multiple accounts a python script wont do you need to host it in a third party like docker or AWS so it can run efficiently DM im down to try & build one together but it wont be easy

**biggie12** · 03-09-23, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by BOWLSZN

you gotta build it you need several APIS of sports-books so the bot can calculate inefficient Lines & then the account info so it can log in & place the bets but if you are running multiple accounts a python script wont do you need to host it in a third party like docker or AWS so it can run efficiently DM im down to try & build one together but it wont be easy

i dont think you will be sucessful.( from past experience) .. i had offered a few programmers on 2+2 large money to create something working and no one succeded.

**Auto Donk** · 03-09-23, 12:48 PM

hopefully it goes better than that lame "chat bot" that lame ass Microsoft created that got turned into a racist AI slur spewing bigot in less than 24 hours........

Twitter taught Microsoft’s AI chatbot to be a racist asshole in less than a day

https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

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**Darkside Magick** · 03-09-23, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by biggie12

i dont think you will be sucessful.( from past experience) .. i had offered a few programmers on 2+2 large money to create something working and no one succeded.

There are Quants like myself who are sucessful in this endeavor.. But we have created more advanced programs like deep neural networks and predictive analytics.

Also those who are successful tend to leave sportsbetting and focus on bigger endeavors like options and Forex which has unlimited caps

**euronet** · 03-09-23, 05:29 PM

Interesting video. But always is a catch.

1. Bookmakers will know that you are using bot. Especially if is it hosted in AWS, Azure or GKE.
2. Getting data from free odds api service is reliable? Even if exist arbitrage opportunity it will be below 0.5% and probably when you logged in to bookmaker site will disappear..
3. You probably forgot that bookies also have some kind of GPT AI logic at their side. So you need to beat their statistical analysis or their machine learning algorithm.
4. Thousands of math students every year write theirs Phd disertations where they try to find errors at bookmakers odds algorithm. They use a much more data samples for testing their algorithms. Some of them are probably successful, (their data is not available on yt) but most of them finds that bookies are smarter. And they can not beat their lines in long term period. This strategies can be found on github for free

I also wrote some bots from 2005 to 2015. At that time it was possible to get lucrative win-win arbitrages outcomes. But today in 2023 it is much much harder...

Good luck with coding

**newton0038** · 03-09-23, 05:39 PM

Unions and corporations receive/lay fines under contracts of reliability.

**Snowball** · 04-17-23, 09:23 AM

any program is only as good as its turning points, no matter what "neural network" it bounces around, the outputs
are only going to be based upon the API sets and subsets. So, if it's merely about scraping lines, I doubt it will be profitable enough to bother with especially considering the watchdogs at books who know how to read those patterns.

thinking outside the box about the nature of data - whether direct players or formations in play, or preferences, or eccentricities like dates, weather, historical trends, and coaching would be more interesting. It would also be undetectable. The machine or bot must be directed to store and pursue/compare perceived relevancies, or testing new possible contingencies in the formation of a new API.

There are deep, hidden facts in the historical data that long-time cappers think about subconsciously or consciously in their minds. Someday perhaps they will be integrated or tested; in the mean time if you're a winning bettor already, there is no reason to bother with this. Your mind is superior. If you're not, then ask yourself which is more likely, becoming a winning bettor using your own "neural network" on your shoulders, or using this stuff to get there? I know my answer.

**jamesrav** · 04-19-23, 11:29 PM

a good math student wouldn't go near betting with sportsbooks if an Exchange is available. Why would anyone fight this? Betfair (and Orbit, and Piwi) are almost zero-sum other than the commission. What I'm puzzled by is why AsianConnect forbids bots if they earn commissions on every win? Unless they are providing Lay liquidity and dont 'really' want you to be a winner too much (as opposed to Betfair)

Overrounds: Industry SP 113%, Betfair SP 99.8%

**Optional** · 04-20-23, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by jamesrav

a good math student wouldn't go near betting with sportsbooks if an Exchange is available. Why would anyone fight this? Betfair (and Orbit, and Piwi) are almost zero-sum other than the commission. What I'm puzzled by is why AsianConnect forbids bots if they earn commissions on every win? Unless they are providing Lay liquidity and dont 'really' want you to be a winner too much (as opposed to Betfair)

Overrounds: Industry SP 113%, Betfair SP 99.8%

Because it's not zero sum if you bet volume at all. Commission goes up to 8% for some people direct at Betfair. Not to mention the Premium Charge that almost anyone who uses a successful volume betting bot ends up with.

And at Orbit you run a significant chance of having your entire balance donked off and lost. And then you will be told they don't believe it wasn't you making weird big cricket bets.

Not as simple as it may sound to a new bot trader.

And yes Orbit and Piwi have agreements to take a forced % of your bets, so if all you do is win, Orbit and Piwi lose. They don't just operate on a commission. They are incentivized to see you lose just like any Sportsbook is.

**biggie12** · 04-20-23, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by newton0038

MGM new T&C has 30000 new rules all surrounding the use of bots. A syndicate likely cleaned up on poker and was simultaneously betting some weak numbers at the same instance.

a syndicate is not gonna wate their time on betmgm poker lol. There is a player base of 25-30 people playing ultra low limits.

That clause was added for another reason

**jamesrav** · 04-22-23, 01:22 PM

I won't comment on the 'bet volume' issue since it's not relevant to me. I came to the conclusion long ago via the data that "finding value" is a more 'encouraging' alternative to saying "finding errors", since errors are the only way to make money in the long run. And The Crowd is way too accurate in setting closing odds in the aggregate. Seeing a 5/1 'value' early on that you just somehow know is going to close at 5/2 takes a superhuman intelligence. It's like saying a person can divine the weather with a thermometer, barometer, and wind gauge better than the National Weather Service. But getting back to AsianConnect, either they don't like winners (who use bots) due to their own direct losses that may result from that (or that Orbit reports back to them that they are not happy, as you say), or they are worried that small groups will siphon off a good chunk of the winnings using bots and AI, discouraging their base. Same thing happened long ago with Benter and Woods, they were winning too much, and although The Jockey Club didnt directly lose anything due to Benter/Woods winning, the optics were bad for the Hong Kong bettors in general.

**bleedblue** · 04-23-23, 12:28 AM

They don’t want pros winning too fast otherwise you get….

Pros putting in good volume, recs start losing, recs put in less volume, pros put in less volume.

Similar concept for Pokerooms particularly at the mid-high stakes.