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  • buztah
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 03-23-07
    • 7470

    #36
    Billy Martin
    Lou Holtz
    Bob Knight
    Mike Ditka
    Don Cherry
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    • The Seer
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-29-07
      • 10641

      #37
      Originally posted by buztah
      Billy Martin
      Lou Holtz
      Bob Knight
      Mike Ditka
      Don Cherry
      Holtz is one of the greatest motivators ever. He makes millions form companies as a motivational speaker. Anyone who hasn't heard him should do so.
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      • mofome
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-19-07
        • 13003

        #38
        Originally posted by The Seer
        So you are saying he had nothing to do with getting the talent there in the first place? Interesting. I always thought it was part of the job to get that talent. I put him there because he is one of the best talent evaluaters ever and that is part of the job. Switzer won with Johnson's talent so no, I would not put him on the list. I could argue for or against anyone on these lists. Phil Jackson had the best players in the league when he won so did John Wooden. It was Johnson that chose to take Troy Aikman when everyone else wanted Tony Mandarich.

        Johnson made few decisions that he was not told to make and Troy Aikmen? i mean thats a nice pick but he's not what made the team. He was the 4th or 5th best player on that offense. Jimmy Johnson didn't trade Walker, in fact he left the Boys because of Jerry's controlling nature. Then he went to Miami and did what, exactly?

        btw, didnt the canes win a national title the year before Johnson got there? they have the most players in the NFL now and they have for years. Miami grows talent, i wouldn't give him all the credit. Hes been a great coach, but certainly not one of the top 5 of all time.
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        • mofome
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-19-07
          • 13003

          #39
          Originally posted by The Seer
          Holtz is one of the greatest motivators ever. He makes millions form companies as a motivational speaker. Anyone who hasn't heard him should do so.

          My mom doesn't like the guy. I think she calls him a pig.

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          • buztah
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 03-23-07
            • 7470

            #40
            Originally posted by The Seer
            Holtz is one of the greatest motivators ever. He makes millions form companies as a motivational speaker. Anyone who hasn't heard him should do so.
            Agreed. I saw a pre-game interview once where he basically said his guys were just happy to play the other team and knew they really couldn't compete with em. Well that naturally fired up ND and they came out blazin' and won. LOL! Good motivator for sure!
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            • thegreatdiatchi
              SBR MVP
              • 03-07-08
              • 1154

              #41
              Originally posted by swede96


              Why is he getting no love?

              So help me lucifer if anyone calls him a cheat....

              Well from what I read it turns out they actually videotaped every NFL team except for the Chiefs (they felt KC wasn't competitive enough). Then further down it said they used the Chiefs tapes for the Super Bowl. (You could tell by the offensive performance for that game)

              I'm sorry but Billy can't even shine the shoes of Lombardi.
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              • The Seer
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 10-29-07
                • 10641

                #42
                Originally posted by mofome
                Johnson made few decisions that he was not told to make and Troy Aikmen? i mean thats a nice pick but he's not what made the team. He was the 4th or 5th best player on that offense. Jimmy Johnson didn't trade Walker, in fact he left the Boys because of Jerry's controlling nature. Then he went to Miami and did what, exactly?

                btw, didnt the canes win a national title the year before Johnson got there? they have the most players in the NFL now and they have for years. Miami grows talent, i wouldn't give him all the credit. Hes been a great coach, but certainly not one of the top 5 of all time.
                It wasn't til later that Jones starting taking more control over personel. At the beginning it was mostly Johnson and Larry Lacewell. Johnson was FOR trading Walker. Johnson was for getting Emmitt Smith. He drafted Leon Lett after he went and watched him play a basketball game. He also pushed to get speed over size which was a huge key for them at that time. He knew they would have a better chance to win with speed on defense and they did. Notice how the Cowboys started on a decline after he left. Sure Switzer won one but they still had plenty of good years left but couldn't get back to that level. Aikman and Emmitt and those guys had only been in the league for 5 or 6 years at that point. Miami was too much of an aging team. He would have had to gut it. He did draft Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor which have been probably the two best players on that team since.
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                • thegreatdiatchi
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-07-08
                  • 1154

                  #43
                  Holtz was another ND great but I think Knute was better and he's not even on my top 5.

                  Jimmy Johnson is the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports. Anybody could win with the talent he had.
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                  • swede96
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-05-07
                    • 3875

                    #44
                    Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi
                    Well from what I read it turns out they actually videotaped every NFL team except for the Chiefs (they felt KC wasn't competitive enough). Then further down it said they used the Chiefs tapes for the Super Bowl. (You could tell by the offensive performance for that game)

                    I'm sorry but Billy can't even shine the shoes of Lombardi.
                    1. Don't believe everything you read.

                    2. Is anyone here actually stupid enough to think that no other NFL team has taped things they shouldn't have?

                    3. Belichick is a great coach and a good man. Anyone who says different is either on the anti-Pats bandwagon or is just plain stupid.
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                    • 2Pac
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-12-07
                      • 1474

                      #45
                      Originally posted by mofome
                      because you know how good the Vols tradition is, so why would a smart man like yourself be surprised?

                      Tennessee football tradition not even in top 5
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                      • thegreatdiatchi
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-07-08
                        • 1154

                        #46
                        Originally posted by swede96
                        1. Don't believe everything you read.

                        2. Is anyone here actually stupid enough to think that no other NFL team has taped things they shouldn't have?

                        3. Belichick is a great coach and a good man. Anyone who says different is either on the anti-Pats bandwagon or is just plain stupid.
                        1 & 2. The video statements were jokes in order to bring out the numbers 18-1.

                        3a. Belichick is a very good coach - maybe tops in the league right now. However, his attitude towards the media stinks and he was blatantly unprofessional when he lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl. On top of this LT also had an issue with him in the 2006 playoffs.

                        3b. Remember Belichick with the Cleveland Browns? Schottenheimer had that team in the playoffs and what did he do to them? Finished with a 36-44 record in 4 years and based on his performance, many fans in Cleveland think of him as an uncommunicative, dictatorial and arrogant coach who made many questionable moves, including benching and then cutting much-beloved quarterback Bernie Kosar in 1993 in order to replace him with Vinny Testaverde, a move that sparked great controversy in the area.
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                        • mofome
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-19-07
                          • 13003

                          #47
                          Originally posted by 2Pac
                          Tennessee football tradition not even in top 5

                          Ranked the #1 gameday atmosphere by many. They have a recent title, they have the only team to ever hold their opposition scoreless for an entire year, they put as many players into the nfl as anyone.

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                          • swede96
                            SBR MVP
                            • 12-05-07
                            • 3875

                            #48
                            Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi
                            3a. Belichick is a very good coach - maybe tops in the league right now. However, his attitude towards the media stinks and he was blatantly unprofessional when he lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl. On top of this LT also had an issue with him in the 2006 playoffs.
                            Belichick is a coach. He cares about his team, not the media. I have a feeling he would never even speak to them if he could help it. Unprofessional or pissed off at himself and his team for blowing it? And who doesn't LT have a problem with? Seriously, that guy has no right to make any assumptions on anyone else's class level.

                            3b. Remember Belichick with the Cleveland Browns? Schottenheimer had that team in the playoffs and what did he do to them? Finished with a 36-44 record in 4 years and based on his performance, many fans in Cleveland think of him as an uncommunicative, dictatorial and arrogant coach who made many questionable moves, including benching and then cutting much-beloved quarterback Bernie Kosar in 1993 in order to replace him with Vinny Testaverde, a move that sparked great controversy in the area.
                            Well, Pats fans love the guy...so what's your point?
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                            • 2Pac
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-12-07
                              • 1474

                              #49
                              Originally posted by mofome
                              Ranked the #1 gameday atmosphere by many. They have a recent title, they have the only team to ever hold their opposition scoreless for an entire year, they put as many players into the nfl as anyone.

                              recruiting violations
                              a whole slew of criminal charges against players
                              very poor academic standards

                              i agree that the atmosphere at Neyland is amazing.
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                              • mofome
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-19-07
                                • 13003

                                #50
                                Originally posted by 2Pac
                                recruiting violations
                                a whole slew of criminal charges against players
                                very poor academic standards

                                i agree that the atmosphere at Neyland is amazing.

                                Academic standards are not considered 'very poor' these days. Recruiting violations? well then i guess bama doesn't have tradition either? anything you can list against the vols is mild at best.

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                                • BadNina
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-27-07
                                  • 10491

                                  #51
                                  Adolph Rupp
                                  Vince Lombardi
                                  Bear Bryant
                                  Pat Summitt
                                  Rod DeDeaux
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                                  • mofome
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-19-07
                                    • 13003

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by BadNina
                                    Adolph Rupp
                                    Vince Lombardi
                                    Bear Bryant
                                    Pat Summitt
                                    Rod DeDeaux


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                                    • Kellen
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-19-08
                                      • 3484

                                      #53
                                      Holtz sure couldnt motivate anyone at SC. Bellicheat shouldnt be on any list. Id say Spurrier is a candidate. if you only look at his College Career. Of course Im gonna say Bobby Cox since Im a Braves fan. Plus he has the most ejections all time, gotta love that. I really like Coach K at Duke. Bob Knight could make the list as well. Its tough to really narrow it down to top 5 all time.
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                                      • Tsoprano
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 04-14-08
                                        • 26374

                                        #54
                                        Dont know about 5, but for sure:

                                        Bobby Knight and..

                                        current -

                                        Doc Rivers, he really put together the best team, rolls with the deepest bench there is. Went and got guys out of retirement that are killin it out there and knows what it takes to ensure blow outs every night.
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                                        • The Seer
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 10-29-07
                                          • 10641

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi

                                          Jimmy Johnson is the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports. Anybody could win with the talent he had.
                                          Again, he was responsible for alot of that talent. Younger people don't know about the rebuilding job he did at Okl. State that got him the Miami job to begin with not to mention what he did as an assistant.
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                                          • The Seer
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 10-29-07
                                            • 10641

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Kellen
                                            Holtz sure couldnt motivate anyone at SC. Bellicheat shouldnt be on any list. Id say Spurrier is a candidate. if you only look at his College Career. Of course Im gonna say Bobby Cox since Im a Braves fan. Plus he has the most ejections all time, gotta love that. I really like Coach K at Duke. Bob Knight could make the list as well. Its tough to really narrow it down to top 5 all time.
                                            Holtz turned around a pathetic SC team that went on to beat some good Ohio State teams in bowl games. He's did as good as spurrier there where recruiting is a challenge. Cox choked more games away than Marv Levy with as much talent. Belichick has forgotten more football than most coaches will ever know.
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                                            • BadNina
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-27-07
                                              • 10491

                                              #57
                                              Now, Mo, the man won at every school he was at with possibly the fewest Heismann players ever. He had the ability to get more out of lower talent players than some coaches can get out of blue chippers. I see some of that in Houston Nutt now. The ability to mold young players like that, IMO, is a sign of a great coach.
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                                              • mofome
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-19-07
                                                • 13003

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by BadNina
                                                Now, Mo, the man won at every school he was at with possibly the fewest Heismann players ever. He had the ability to get more out of lower talent players than some coaches can get out of blue chippers. I see some of that in Houston Nutt now. The ability to mold young players like that, IMO, is a sign of a great coach.

                                                The SEC has less Heisman winners than Ohio State, so im not sure what your point is there. the SEC didn't matter with regard to the heisman until about a week ago. Neyland whooped him.
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                                                • BadNina
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-27-07
                                                  • 10491

                                                  #59
                                                  Not every time, my biased friend. And I wasn't just referring to the Alabama history. I also include Maryland, Kentucky and A&M.
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                                                  • mofome
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-19-07
                                                    • 13003

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by BadNina
                                                    Not every time, my biased friend. And I wasn't just referring to the Alabama history. I also include Maryland, Kentucky and A&M.

                                                    md 1 year and had to leave because MD was too tough for him
                                                    am he was 1-9 one year? i forget the rest, but 1-9 is not up to neyland standards.
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                                                    • seaborneq
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 09-08-06
                                                      • 22556

                                                      #61
                                                      Coach K
                                                      Pat Summitt
                                                      Old Ball Coach Spurrier
                                                      Jim Leyland
                                                      Belicheat
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                                                      • Sportsgirl
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-10-06
                                                        • 4493

                                                        #62
                                                        Chuch Noll
                                                        Vince Lombardi
                                                        Phil Jackson
                                                        Tom Landry
                                                        Mike Krzyzewski
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                                                        • BadNina
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-27-07
                                                          • 10491

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by mofome
                                                          md 1 year and had to leave because MD was too tough for him
                                                          am he was 1-9 one year? i forget the rest, but 1-9 is not up to neyland standards.
                                                          Left Maryland to go to Kentucky. You are so biased it's cute.
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                                                          • jackpot269
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 09-24-07
                                                            • 12808

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by mofome
                                                            The SEC has less Heisman winners than Ohio State, so im not sure what your point is there. the SEC didn't matter with regard to the heisman until about a week ago. Neyland whooped him.
                                                            How many National Titles did he have how many games total did he win?
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                                                            • jackpot269
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 09-24-07
                                                              • 12808

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by mofome
                                                              because you know how good the Vols tradition is, so why would a smart man like yourself be surprised?

                                                              they do have tradition and play in a ever demanding confence i really don't know that much about Gen Neyland im sure he was a great coach!!!!!!
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