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  • greenwave67
    SBR Rookie
    • 08-27-08
    • 47

    #1
    4 Pt. Field Goals
    Should be instituted in College & the NFL from 55 yards minimum... This rule is ridicoulous why it was never established like all the other changes the NFL makes!
  • TodaysAction
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    • 08-01-08
    • 12762

    #2
    Originally posted by greenwave67
    Should be instituted in College & the NFL from 55 yards minimum... This rule is ridicoulous why it was never established like all the other changes the NFL makes!
    Yea and then for baskets any made shot from beyond half court should be a FOUR POINTER as well.
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    • ShamsWoof10
      SBR MVP
      • 11-15-06
      • 4827

      #3
      That longest FG would be broken within the first year and shattered within FIVE years...

      NFL kickers have had range from beyond 60 for about 20 years but coaches due to field position would not try them... They let Janakowski try long ones and he would be the one that SHATTERS the record... Last year he hit the TIP TOP OF THE UPRIGHT WHICH IS 30 FT. UP FROM 52 YARDS OUT... That's 70+ eeeeeeeeeeeeasily.... It was the second attempt last year when Mike Shanahan called timeout... On the first try he made it and hit THE MIDDLE OF THE NET which is 7 yards behind the goal post...

      If this did happen you would see teams either get kickers like him or carry two...

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      • hoopster42
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        • 02-12-08
        • 6099

        #4
        Originally posted by greenwave67
        Should be instituted in College & the NFL from 55 yards minimum... This rule is ridicoulous why it was never established like all the other changes the NFL makes!
        the reason they will likely never institute that rule is because they dont want teams playing for fg's, they want them playing for td's, if you're down 7-0, you can kick a 3 pt fg and then a 4 pt fg, not good for the game in general, its about position players, not fg kickers, and the powers that be know that most of the fans feel this way
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #5
          This isn't fantasy football.

          (one point bonus for FG 50+)
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          • ShamsWoof10
            SBR MVP
            • 11-15-06
            • 4827

            #6
            Originally posted by hoopster42
            the reason they will likely never institute that rule is because they dont want teams playing for fg's, they want them playing for td's, if you're down 7-0, you can kick a 3 pt fg and then a 4 pt fg, not good for the game in general, its about position players, not fg kickers, and the powers that be know that most of the fans feel this way
            A field goal kicker is a position player...

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            • Wrigley
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 12-28-07
              • 7268

              #7
              reward a offense for not moving the ball down the field, would be a stupid rule change
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              • ShamsWoof10
                SBR MVP
                • 11-15-06
                • 4827

                #8
                Originally posted by Wrigley
                reward a offense for not moving the ball down the field, would be a stupid rule change
                This is a lot like how people react to media...

                The people will "SAY" the media can't be trusted and you can't believe what you see in the media but they will believe the next story they hear without much question... The people "SAY" special teams is just as important as the offense and defense... I heard that sooooooo much when I coached from both coaching staffs buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttt... they didn't put NEAR the time or attention in practicing special teams but they mentioned how they wanted to every f*ckin' week....

                My point is people "SAY" special teams is just as important but when it comes down to it they play it down and treat it as if it's less important... That's what is going on here... Special teams is looked at by most of you as the kicker or punter... It's 11 guys fokes not 1.... even though there is an "i" in "special teams"...

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                • HedgeHog
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 09-11-07
                  • 10128

                  #9
                  Eliminate the extra point try in football. Or reduce the distance between goal posts. How often does a pro kicker miss a PAT...1 in a 100? This is the most boring play.
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                  • Wrigley
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-28-07
                    • 7268

                    #10
                    my point is if offense starts at their own 20 and drives down to the other teams 10 and lets say its 4th and 9. So they kick a 3 point field goal would they have a option to kick it from 55 to try get the 4th point. The same chance a team that started on their opponents 20 but due to penalties or a couple sacks that team loses 18 yards in 3 plays back to the 38 and on 4th down have a chance for a 4 point field goal try of 55 yards.
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                    • Mudcat
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                      • 07-21-05
                      • 9287

                      #11
                      I don't like the idea of any change, even a minor one like that. All my betting is based on years of research and experience using the current scoring system. I'd rather it not be monkeyed with.

                      I don't think it would be particularly good for the game either, but my main concern would be the effect on betting.
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                      • Wrigley
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 12-28-07
                        • 7268

                        #12
                        Originally posted by HedgeHog
                        Eliminate the extra point try in football. Or reduce the distance between goal posts. How often does a pro kicker miss a PAT...1 in a 100? This is the most boring play.
                        Or the QB taking a knee to end the game, id like a rule in the final 2 minutes the team on offense must gain 2 yards or the clock stops something similar to arena football.
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                        • ShamsWoof10
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-15-06
                          • 4827

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wrigley
                          my point is if offense starts at their own 20 and drives down to the other teams 10 and lets say its 4th and 9. So they kick a 3 point field goal would they have a option to kick it from 55 to try get the 4th point. The same chance a team that started on their opponents 20 but due to penalties or a couple sacks that team loses 18 yards in 3 plays back to the 38 and on 4th down have a chance for a 4 point field goal try of 55 yards.
                          Well again to answer your own question you should look at the flip side... They won't do that unless it's the only thing they can do to WIN the game.... They won't just take sacks to try a long FG for the addictional point because as I said if he misses the other team has very good Field Position this is why they don't try many 55 yard FG's now...

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                          • Wheell
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-11-07
                            • 1380

                            #14
                            I'd rather see them make field goals worth 2 points.
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                            • sickler
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 06-05-08
                              • 15006

                              #15
                              I want 9 pt TD's on scoring plays of 80+ yds.
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                              • hoopster42
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                                • 02-12-08
                                • 6099

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                A field goal kicker is a position player...

                                check your facts pal, a field goal kicker is a SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER not a position player, go ahead and google it, LOL

                                position players are the 11 offensive and defensive guys, a kicker is NOT a position player
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                                • ShamsWoof10
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-15-06
                                  • 4827

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by hoopster42
                                  check your facts pal, a field goal kicker is a SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER not a position player, go ahead and google it, LOL

                                  position players are the 11 offensive and defensive guys, a kicker is NOT a position player
                                  Hey "PAL" I did google it...

                                  SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS KICKERS ARE NOT POSITION PLAYERS..??? I think know what you saw and if it's what I saw I am going to rip your as*....

                                  When someone asked you what position you played you say "placekicker" NOT special teams player.. duuuuhhhh!

                                  So a left tackle is a left tackle on offense and a special teams player on the Field Goal team..????

                                  Now there is something called "skilled positions" which I don't "THINK" involves kickers (not sure why) but it also does NOT involve Linemen either....
                                  Last edited by ShamsWoof10; 09-01-08, 09:43 PM.
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                                  • hoopster42
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 02-12-08
                                    • 6099

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                    Hey "PAL" I did google it...

                                    SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS KICKERS ARE NOT POSITION PLAYERS..??? I think know what you saw and if it's what I saw I am going to rip your as*....


                                    now go ahead and create a wikipedia acct and change it, lol

                                    you go girl!
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                                    • ShamsWoof10
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-15-06
                                      • 4827

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by hoopster42
                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

                                      now go ahead and create a wikipedia acct and change it, lol

                                      you go girl!
                                      In the NFL, ranges of uniform numbers are (usually) reserved for certain positions:

                                      1–9: Quarterbacks, kickers, and punters
                                      10–19: Quarterbacks, kickers, punters, and wide receivers
                                      20–49: Running backs and defensive backs (tight ends are also permitted to wear numbers in the range 40-49 if no numbers are available in the range 80-89)
                                      50–59: Centers and linebackers
                                      60–79: Offensive and defensive linemen
                                      80–89: Wide receivers and tight ends
                                      90–99: Defensive linemen and linebackers

                                      This is from your link hot shot.... Now don't be so f*ckin' lazy and just expect it to be there... SHOW ME!!!

                                      You go girl.... WHERE DOES IT SAY KICKERS ARE NOT "POSITION PLAYERS"..???

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                                      • greenwave67
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 08-27-08
                                        • 47

                                        #20
                                        #10 reply

                                        Originally posted by Wrigley
                                        reward a offense for not moving the ball down the field, would be a stupid rule change
                                        A. The defense would have the advantage because 75-80% the kicker will miss it; plus the defense would obtain excellent field position with the miss (as it's placed where the kick was kicked from). Did you ever think of this? I'd go for this rule!
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                                        • greenwave67
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 08-27-08
                                          • 47

                                          #21
                                          #11 reply

                                          [QUOTE=ShamsWoof10;1002452]Well again to answer your own question you should look at the flip side... They won't do that unless it's the only thing they can do to WIN the game.... They won't just take sacks to try a long FG for the addictional point because as I said if he misses the other team has very good Field Position this is why they don't try many 55 yard FG's now...
                                          A. I also agree with you because the odds are with the defense here, as 75-80% would be misses ALONG with the field position issue, as the defense gets on the miss!
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                                          • Stumpage
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-21-05
                                            • 2906

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                            Eliminate the extra point try in football. Or reduce the distance between goal posts. How often does a pro kicker miss a PAT...1 in a 100? This is the most boring play.
                                            Unless it's a team that I need to win, in which case I reckon the kicker has an extra point success rate of about 45%.....
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                                            • SlappyWhite
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 07-22-08
                                              • 443

                                              #23
                                              Actually I feel completely opposite, i think every game should be limited to 3 FG's total between both teams after that only touchdowns, safeties and extra points. FG kicking competitions are shitty.
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