BlackJack "Surrender" option.

**Stallion** · 05-30-12, 11:25 AM

When the dealer and a 10 showing and you have 16.

**InTheDrink** · 05-30-12, 11:27 AM

i'll never use it but i've seen people use it religiously which i think is retarded

you can basically give up and lose half of your bet....so if you have 16 vs. a 10 then you can try to cut your losses

no idea about the %'s of surrendering as a strategy

**Stallion** · 05-30-12, 11:29 AM

I've never used it either, but I know that's the best surrender situation.

**yisman** · 05-30-12, 11:40 AM

16 vs Ace
15 vs 10
16 vs 10
16 vs 9

**nikossf** · 05-30-12, 11:40 AM

Yea,..dealer shows 10..you have 16....whos to say that the dealer doesnt have a 6 as well.or a 5..and next card is 10 as well... Either way ill take my chances and let the dealer bust.. surrender?? WTF??

**yisman** · 05-30-12, 11:43 AM

Chances of dealer showing a 10 and busting:

23%

Which means that if you stand on 15 or 16, you will lose 77% of the time.

If you hit on 16, you bust over 61% of the time.

**Sam Odom** · 05-30-12, 11:45 AM

Here's a rough analogy .... if you like the New York Yankees tomorrow , one book has NYY +140 and another book has NYY +139

Which one would you take ?

**jjgold** · 05-30-12, 12:18 PM

You rarely can win when dealer showing an Ace and your showing anything from 12-16

**muldoon** · 05-30-12, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

i'll never use it but i've seen people use it religiously which i think is retarded

you can basically give up and lose half of your bet....so if you have 16 vs. a 10 then you can try to cut your losses

no idea about the %'s of surrendering as a strategy

You admit you don't know the %, yet you judge those who do, as "retarded"

**Kaabee** · 05-30-12, 12:21 PM

you surrender in certain spots for the exact same reason you don't hit 20. it's the correct mathematical play.

**muldoon** · 05-30-12, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by nikossf

Anyone really ever use this? Playing a little bj recently and noticed there is an option to surrender your hand.. WHY use this? Trying to rationalize a good purpose for this button,.but nothing...someone help!

Seattle is playing Oakland in NFL - game is Oakland -1

You bet Seattle +1. Seattle is losing 24-3 at the half.

Discounting "inside info" into the 2nd half, would you accept 50% of your bet back at half time and cut your losses? Or would you hope for Seattle to climb back and cover.

Same principle. There's a chance Seattle may come back - but many people would take back 50% and work with that.

**Housemoney** · 05-30-12, 12:59 PM

Learn it if you play BJ:

Single-Deck Blackjack Strategy - Wizard of Odds

http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/1-deck/

What is single deck blackjack & is it better to play single deck blackjack? The Wizard addresses basic strategy rules with chart explanations and tips.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 05-30-12, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Here's a rough analogy .... if you like the New York Yankees tomorrow , one book has NYY +140 and another book has NYY +139

Which one would you take ?

i'd take the book that pays.

**blackbeSSt** · 05-30-12, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Chances of dealer showing a 10 and busting:

2%

Which means that if you stand on 15 or 16, you will lose 97% of the time.

If you hit on 16, you bust over 91% of the time.

fixed for those that play in the sbr casino

**blueghost** · 05-30-12, 01:19 PM

online blackjack ..on 80 out of 100 hds the dealer will have a 10 up..pick your spots..you do the math

**TheCentaur** · 05-30-12, 02:04 PM

Small percentage help to the player overall. If playing live and counting cards its very nice to have.

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 02:19 PM

surrender is a nice option if you're going to use it.
if it is allowed then do it on 15/16 vs 10, 16 vs 9 or ace also

not hard to remember

if i'm playing a blackjack promo like sbr i do it for 15 vs 9 also just to speed things up, that is almost a coin flip decision

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by blackbeSSt

fixed for those that play in the sbr casino

that does seem true

i was keeping track one time and behind a 10/face card, the dealer had 9 or 10 14 times out of 15

that's mathematically hard to believe for a fair game

**nikossf** · 05-30-12, 02:39 PM

Nice,.thanks for all the insight SBR folks'.. been playing for years just not that much online and noticed this option on every hand. I would really never use this but just wanted to here some thoughts from others..

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 02:44 PM

why would you never use it?

it's mathematically in your favor to do it in the situations me and yisman pointed out

to me that's like saying you would never split aces against a 6 or you would never hit 12 against a 7...

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 02:49 PM

Well first of all, you CANNOT surrender versus an ace.

While I am on a roll, if you CAN surrender versus a dealer ace, then you should surrender at almost any 13-14-15-16 hand.

Which of course leads to the reason why you CANNOT surrender versus a dealer ace card showing. If you could surrender versus the dealer ace showing, then the odds in blackjack would switch to the players advantage.

Now give me some points for this explanation. I could use them to pay back some loans for the points that I lost in the casino

I will guarantee this fact, if I could surrender in a live casino versus a dealer ace, then I would be playing blackjack for a very successful living

**Sam Odom** · 05-30-12, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Well first of all, you CANNOT surrender versus an ace

I can at Barona Casino

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Well first of all, you CANNOT surrender versus an ace

you can surrender vs an ace here at the fabulous sbr sportsbook and casino

anywhere that allows surrender allows it against an ace once blackjack is checked

**Sam Odom** · 05-30-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

anywhere that allows surrender allows it against an ace once blackjack is checked

Yup - NO 'early surrender'

early surrender was phased out 30yrs ago

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 02:59 PM

Well first of all, you CANNOT surrender versus an ace.

While I am on a roll, if you CAN surrender versus a dealer ace, then you should surrender at almost any 13-14-15-16 hand.

Which of course leads to the reason why you CANNOT surrender versus a dealer ace card showing. If you could surrender versus the dealer ace showing, then the odds in blackjack would switch to the players advantage.

Now give me some points for this explanation. I could use them to pay back some loans for the points that I lost in the casino

I will guarantee this fact, if I could surrender in a live casino versus a dealer ace, then I would be playing blackjack for a very successful living

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Well first of all, you CANNOT surrender versus an ace.

While I am on a roll, if you CAN surrender versus a dealer ace, then you should surrender at almost any 13-14-15-16 hand.

Which of course leads to the reason why you CANNOT surrender versus a dealer ace card showing. If you could surrender versus the dealer ace showing, then the odds in blackjack would switch to the players advantage.

Now give me some points for this explanation. I could use them to pay back some loans for the points that I lost in the casino

I will guarantee this fact, if I could surrender in a live casino versus a dealer ace, then I would be playing blackjack for a very successful living

how are you going to guarantee something that is wrong?

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 03:01 PM

here's 5dimes rules, include late surrender

Classic Single-Deck, Single Hand
After each hand played, a new single deck is shuffled and dealt. Blackjack pays 3/2. Dealer hits on soft 17. Double down on 10 & 11, even after splits. Split pairs up to 3 times. May split aces once. Late surrender available, even after splits. Insurance pays 11/5. Seven Card Charlie is automatic winner.Classic 6 Deck, Single Hand
After each hand played, a new 6 deck shoe is shuffled and dealt. Blackjack pays 3/2. Dealer stands on soft 17. Double down on all 2-card combinations, even after splits. Split pairs up to 3 times. May split and resplit aces. Late surrender available, even after splits. Insurance pays 11/5. Seven Card Charlie is automatic winner.
Classic 6 Deck, Multiple Hand
After each hand played, a new 6 deck shoe is shuffled and dealt. Blackjack pays 3/2. Dealer stands on soft 17. Double down on all 2-card combinations, even after splits. Split pairs up to 3 times. May split and resplit aces. Late surrender available, even after splits. Insurance pays 11/5. Seven Card Charlie is automatic winner.

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 03:01 PM

So in the sbr casino under the single deck option, you can surrender versus an ace?

I didnt see that option the other day. By the way, my advice only applies to live casino opertaions, I have NO IDEA about internet casinos that cheat you in the first place

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

you can surrender vs an ace here at the fabulous sbr sportsbook and casino

anywhere that allows surrender allows it against an ace once blackjack is checked

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 03:02 PM

Milwaukee,

What live casino allows you to surrender verusu an ace? Not talking about internet live casinos either

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 03:02 PM

A general rule of thumb is to never surrender against a dealer showing a 2 through 7. Surrendering should only come into consideration when the dealer shows an 8, 9, 10 or ace. Let’s have a look at the correct basic strategy surrender moves on a 4-deck, 6-deck or 8-deck game…
Dealer Stands on Soft 17

Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace
Surrender 15 vs 10

Dealer Hits on Soft 17

Surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or ace
Surrender 15 vs 10 or ace
Surrender 17 vs ace
Surrender 8,8 vs ace

**milwaukee mike** · 05-30-12, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by playersonly69

Milwaukee,

What live casino allows you to surrender verusu an ace? Not talking about internet live casinos either

bellagio i am sure does because i can remember doing it there
every live casino that allows surrender, but like sam said you have to wait until they check blackjack

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 03:05 PM

But I want to know live casinos that allow surrender on a dealer ace.

Internet sites dont even really count since that shit isnt real.

And the single deck sbr casino didnt let me surrender verus a dealer ace

**playersonly69** · 05-30-12, 03:06 PM

What live casino allows a surrender versus a dealer??

Internet casinos dont even count since they rip off the player anyway

**ttwarrior1** · 05-30-12, 03:08 PM

Hit on 15 and 16 0 times with 0 surrenders with the 12 k in pts ive won in the last week at bj