anyone fading cain tomorrow?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

he just pitched a perfect game and we all know what happens the next game...

[rfr3sh]

Probably have too

[russiaboss]

I have Angels +102
GL

[Ralphie Halves]

This guy follows up two hitters with one hitters. I wouldn't be so sure this time. When it's guys like Phil Humber and Dallas Braden, yeah, automatic. But I'm not sold on the angle here.

[FellatioReceiver]

I wouldn't advise it. Probably the most underrated pitcher in all of baseball. Finally starting to get the recognition he deserves.

[Chimneyfish]

I wouldn't advise it. Probably the most underrated pitcher in all of baseball. Finally starting to get the recognition he deserves.

He's one of the best pitchers in baseball and yet has a career win percentage of only two games over 500. It's proof that pitcher wins are one of the most overrated player stats in baseball.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

He's one of the best pitchers in baseball and yet has a career win percentage of only two games over 500. It's proof that pitcher wins are one of the most overrated player stats in baseball.

i don't know if you are being facetious or not but he pitches mostly at at&t park...

[samgurt]

His contract definitely says otherwise of him and being underrated

[FellatioReceiver]

In the eyes of the baseball world he is underrated, or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Betting against Cain simply just to fade him does not sound smart to me at this time.

[Sunde91]

the opportunity is not as solid

Angels bats have been a fuking joke 4 runs in 3 games at home vs Zona. Now here comes one of the best pitchers in baseball perfect game letdown or not

[taxe91]

I wouldn't advise it. Probably the most underrated pitcher in all of baseball. Finally starting to get the recognition he deserves.

wouldnt call him underrated considering he has the biggest contract ever given to a RHP

He's one of the best pitchers in baseball and yet has a career win percentage of only two games over 500. It's proof that pitcher wins are one of the most overrated player stats in baseball.

yeah pitcher wins are the most useless stat in baseball. king felix has never won 20 games in a season after all

[kramerthekid]

Should be an auto-play same thing with Johan Santana and he got shelled against the yanks

[bipolar]

didnt cain only throw 114 pitches or something? I remember thinking he didnt throw that many pitches in his perfect game... I think he is capable of bouncing back strong because of that....

[jjgold]

I am fading
No idea why

Angels are hot

[Barnes & Whine]

Quit raizing Cain!!

[rm18]

fade him because the AL always wins don't overthink it

[brahmabull117]

pass for me. Angels offense hasn't done much recently and Jerome Williams is dogsht



If anything, lean towards San Fran. Johan did struggle against NYY bu yanks offense >>>>>>>>>>> LAA offense and Cain >>>>>>> Johan

[DennisGreen]

didnt cain only throw 114 pitches or something? I remember thinking he didnt throw that many pitches in his perfect game... I think he is capable of bouncing back strong because of that....

He threw 125 pitches

[OzLand]

I agree with Brahma...A small lean to the Giants. SF has lost 2 in a row to Seattle, have a decent offense facing a mediocre Williams on the mound for the Angel!

[Chimneyfish]

i don't know if you are being facetious or not but he pitches mostly at at&t park...

But there are ways to easily adjust for park factors when judging a pitcher. We shouldn't just say, "He pitches at a pitchers park, therefore he's overrated." His ERA+ (adjusted for park factors) is 163. The average is 100.

[HoulihansTX]

I just faded him

[LT Profits]

Wins/Losses is definitely the most useless stat to gauge pitchers by and Cain really is one of the best pitchers in baseball.

Sorted by FIP

Name                	Team         	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	HR/FB	ERA	FIP	xFIP	WAR
Zack Greinke      	Brewers     	87.0	9.83	2.07	0.31	5.70%	3.10	2.00	2.42	3.3
Gio Gonzalez      	Nationals	78.2	11.1	3.66	0.11	1.80%	2.52	2.00	2.85	3.0
Stephen Strasburg	Nationals	77.0	11.69	2.34	0.58	8.80%	2.45	2.18	2.40	2.7
Justin Verlander  	Tigers        	101.2	9.12	2.04	0.53	6.10%	2.66	2.52	3.14	3.5
Chris Sale          	White Sox	80.1	9.19	2.46	0.45	5.50%	2.46	2.54	3.20	2.7
Matt Cain           	Giants       	95.0	9.09	1.52	0.66	6.40%	2.18	2.58	3.28	2.7

[Chimneyfish]

SF -102
Under 7 +105

[og4667]

fade the cainster

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Los Angeles Angels Career statistics vs. Matt Cain
BATTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Alberto Callaspo	7	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	.143	.143	.143	.286
John Hester	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Chris Iannetta	18	6	0	0	1	2	6	3	.333	.500	.500	1.000
Ryan Langerhans	7	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	.143	.143	.143	.286
Kendrys Morales	2	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	.000	.333	.000	.333
Albert Pujols	14	8	1	0	2	5	4	0	.571	.667	1.071	1.738
Vernon Wells	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000
Totals	53	16	1	0	3	8	11	6	.302	.422	.491	.912

cain is below average with some of the angel bats. i wish iannetta was in the lineup but i really think angels pull this off tonight.

[brahmabull117]

cain is below average with some of the angel bats. i wish iannetta was in the lineup but i really think angels pull this off tonight.

You're betting on a coin flip either way. Much better plays on the board than this

[Ghenghis Kahn]

You're betting on a coin flip either way. Much better plays on the board than this

not today.

[Ron29301]

I'm going with J WIll. J Will didn't do to bad his last outing.

[lunchbawks]

got angels tt over 3.5 at +money

best bet imo.. cain can't keep this up

[Brock Landers]

Wins/Losses is definitely the most useless stat to gauge pitchers by and Cain really is one of the best pitchers in baseball.

Sorted by FIP

Name                    Team             IP    K/9    BB/9    HR/9    HR/FB    ERA    FIP    xFIP    WAR
Zack Greinke          Brewers         87.0    9.83    2.07    0.31    5.70%    3.10    2.00    2.42    3.3
Gio Gonzalez          Nationals    78.2    11.1    3.66    0.11    1.80%    2.52    2.00    2.85    3.0
Stephen Strasburg    Nationals    77.0    11.69    2.34    0.58    8.80%    2.45    2.18    2.40    2.7
Justin Verlander      Tigers            101.2    9.12    2.04    0.53    6.10%    2.66    2.52    3.14    3.5
Chris Sale              White Sox    80.1    9.19    2.46    0.45    5.50%    2.46    2.54    3.20    2.7
Matt Cain               Giants           95.0    9.09    1.52    0.66    6.40%    2.18    2.58    3.28    2.7

what does FIP stand for?

[Chimneyfish]

best bet imo.. cain can't keep this up

That's the thing though- he's not keeping anything up. He's been a really good pitcher for years, but people haven't fully realized it due to his win record as a result of low run support and being overshadowed by Lincecum winning Cy Young awards. The guy won a ring without giving up a single earned run through the entire postseason.

[LT Profits]

what does FIP stand for?

Fielder Independent Pitching

[boondoggle]

FIP --- http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,206286

[LT Profits]

what does FIP stand for?

http://www.sbrforum.com/mlb-baseball/news/mlb-betting-no-change-the-top-june-fip-update-a-24680/

[Jeff Grant]

Of the 17 pitchers to throw a perfect game since the White Sox's Charlie Robertson in 1922, only five won their next start. The last nine - including Phil Humber, who retired all 27 hitters on April 21 - are a combined 3-4 with a 5.56 ERA following their history-making performance.