15 way chop in Ladies event - what are your thoughts?

[Debi]

There's a lot of controversy about this chop that happened in a Ladies event last week at the Wynn. When they got down to 15 players they all decided to chop. They had played for 11 hours with no dinner break, it was late and they all had a tournament to play in the next day.

The chip leader got over $9k and the lowest payout was over $4k. It was a $600 buy-in.

Full disclosure - I am female.

My thoughts vary on this, but my first instinct is that I wasn't there and didn't play. So if they all agreed then I have no problem with it.

With that said, the biggest chop I ever did was a final table. I was the chip leader but didn't have an overwhelming lead. They offered me better than an ICM chop for first, it was not a huge tournament, and my grandson had called me and was in a very bad place emotionally. I insta-chopped.

Other than that I don't mind 3 and 4 way chops - especially when there are strong players left. If it is late and I am tired I am likely to agree to a chop that I think is fair to me. I am a recreational player, not a pro. If it is more than 3-4 people I would have to be the short stack to agree in most cases.

I can't think of a circumstance I would ever chop before the final table, but I wasn't there.

I can definitely understand a really strong player never wanting to chop and respect that. There are times I think I am the best left in the tournament, but not often to be honest.

In this case JJ Liu was one of the 15 players left who chopped. I have played with her multiple times and she is an excellent poker player and her successes reflect that.

What are your thoughts?

[JAKEPEAVY21]

If all the remaining players agreed to chop, what is the issue?

[ninjagorn]

It is unusual-you wait till the short stacks bust. There have to be a few of them.

[Debi]

If all the remaining players agreed to chop, what is the issue?

I agree with you - but many players do not. They are trying to spin it to say it reflects the lower skill level of women. Twitter has been on fire with it.

It is unusual-you wait till the short stacks bust. There have to be a few of them.

They are saying most players had about 10 bb's and there were no stacks shorter than that.

I would definitely always wait until there are no micro stacks left - maybe that was the case for them, but that is a lot of remaining players for there to have been none. I wasn't there though.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

[QUOTE=Bandpat;31318468]I agree with you - but many players do not. They are trying to spin it to say it reflects the lower skill level of women. Twitter has been on fire with it.

They are saying most players had about 10 bb's and there were no stacks shorter than that.


If the players were happy with the outcome, who cares what the peanut gallery's opinion on the matter is?

Do what makes you happy regardless of what anyone on the outside thinks...the end.

[Optional]

Maybe it did make a difference that they were all women.

I don't know if that automatically makes them bad players though.

[Debi]

(I tried to quote you both but the site got angry with me lol).

Jake - yes, agree we don't need to care about the peanut gallery. I was interested to see what a few of you thought about it though.

Optional - I do think it made a difference to the "masses" that it was all women, but not really relevant overall. And yea, doesn't make them bad players.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

1) If they agree, they agree.
2) Yes, it's too early for a chop. You're there to gamble.
3) In general, there is too much Chopping. You're there to play.
...So many players become gunshy when there's a decent amount of $$ in play.
...I think it's perfectly OK to take some $$ off the table and play it out for the remainder.
...Also, the first person that offers up a chop takes a 20% discount. It's their idea, so they should be prepared to accept a smaller chunk.